Talk:Mad City (film)

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Requested move 15 December 2017

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move at this time. bd2412 T 14:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mad City (film) → Mad City
Mad City → Mad City (disambiguation)

– Out of all the topics on the dab page, this is the only article with an article with the literal title "Mad City". There's the first half of Gotham (season 3), Kendrick Lamar's song "M.A.A.D City", the Japanese name for "The Adventures of Bayou Billy", and a nickname for Madison, Wisconsin, and out of these five, this movie is the only topic with the name "Mad City" in the article. JE98 (talk) 16:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 03:59, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, the title was originally named after Madison, Wisconsin, where the page says it was going to be set. Mad City is mentioned in the infobox and in the 'Nicknames' section of the Madison, Wisconsin page. It's a well known nickname for the city, which the film title reflects. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, for the reasons mentioned above. Also, I think JE98 meant to say, 'only article with the name "Mad City" in the title.' Is there any tool that shows statistics on which disambiguation was pick? I'm thinking the recent traffic to Mad City (film) was due to Gotham (TV series). Here at least is the Pageviews Analysis. StrayBolt (talk) 07:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lacking the statistics of what they click on, here are some other stats I used. The "Mad City" disambig page only gets about 100 hits a month. I think most pick by the auto-suggestion so they never go to the disambig and if the film is most popular, it appears high on the suggestion list. La La Land has not been replaced by La La Land (film), even though it "won" best picture. Google trends for all time has a big spike for M.A.A.D and the related search terms are almost all related to that. For 5 years, it shows Gotham and NCT 127 (which I added to the disambig). And for 1 year, some Madison businesses show up in the related search. Google's first search page (results may vary) shows about half for the film, but several are related to Madison and a couple of others (M.A.A.D., board game, twitter account in Chicago). Bing throws in a few others unrelated to the movie, like Gotham. This simplified monthly chart shows some correlation between Mad City and the film which stands out stronger in the detailed daily chart. I get a 0.73 correlation while the others are near 0. Should there be a "Mad City (nickname)" or "Mad City (city) redirect"? I'm still not convinced that the move should be made given all the other usages. StrayBolt (talk) 00:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For the page view charts, you should check "Logarithmic scale" and THEN the correlation will stand out. I thought that setting was in the URL. Even with the correlation, less than 4% of "Mad City (film)" article viewers are using the dab to get there. StrayBolt (talk) 04:31, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A better page view analysis is this one, using the Mad City (Gotham) redirect and excluding M.A.A.D. City and Madison, Wisconsin.[1] The only item with comparable page views is The Adventures of Bayou Billy, which, according to the article, was only known as "Mad City" in Japan, a notably non-English speaking country. It seems unlikely that many readers are looking for that article under the name "Mad City" (which can be found easily on the dab page).--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:23, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something to consider. What if two famous actors made a film, say about 20 years ago, named Big Apple. Would that film end up as primary, no matter how good it did or what the balance of the sources were? "Windy City" has no primary, although there is a Windy City film that is named after the nickname of Chicago. There are probably other examples of metropolitan nicknames which block other things so-named from becoming primary. "Mad City" is a well known nickname for Madison, Wisconsin, an influential state capital. The film was named after the city, literally, the film's name is a direct reference to Madison, Wisconsin. If a primary were called for, I'd give it to the city, but the option of not giving a primary is before us in this RM and that seems to me to be the encyclopedic-fairest option. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Windy City" and "Big Apple" are well known nicknames for two major cities. "Mad City" for Madison, Wisconsin isn't remotely in the same league.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.