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I have moved the text in the article Ethnic Macedonians in Serbia to Macedonians in Serbia, because according to the rules of Wikipedia regarding Macedonia related articles, in articles which are connected with ethnic Macedonians but have no reference with Greece, it is allowed to use the word "Macedonians" for the ethnic Macedonian population. If the administrators have a different point of view, I will not have any problem, but I would like a admin's opinion. P.S. Official Serbia calls them "Macedonians", so the name of the article is appropriate this way. Regards to all and happy holidays. --Revizionist (talk) 13:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

What about the Macedonian Serbs? They're on our dab page, so we have to cater for them somehow. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The one group consists of "Serbs in Macedonia", the other of "Macedonians in Serbia". How for chrissake is the one group ambiguous with the other? Stop that ridiculous dab-mongering, it's getting cold. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Chill your tits. I'm talking about the Macedonian Serbs in Serbia, who are also on our dab page if you look closely enough. A small part of geographical Macedonia lies in southern Serbia, and many more Serbs would have roots from the wider region of Macedonia. No different from the Bulgarians and Greeks, really. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 15:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The dab entry "Macedonian Serbs" pipes to Serbs of the Republic of Macedonia, which only deals with ethnic Serbs in the RoM. Ethnic Serbs in the Serbian corner of geographic Macedonia are simply Serbs and covered by our Serbs article, they don't have an article of their own and don't need one. This article deals with ethnic Macedonians in Serbia. No disambiguation problem to be seen anywhere. You are really splitting hairs now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"This article deals with ethnic Macedonians in Serbia". As opposed to other Macedonians in Serbia. Exactly. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 15:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No competing article => no need for dab in the title. Get it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, is there any evidence that ethnic Serbs of that small geo-Mac corner in Serbia even call themselves "Macedonians"? Has anybody here ever had anything encyclopedic to actually say about them? What's your sudden interest in that obscure group, other than serving your obsession of forcing "disambiguators" down other people's throats? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No Fut.Perf, the only people that call their selfs Macedonians in Serbia are these people - [1]. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 22:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Kekrops, the serbs who live in the Pcinja region, or the part of macedonia (region) in serbia do not identify as macedonians, similar to the Albanians who live in the mala prespa region. Unlike the Greeks or bulgarians who use the term macedonians as an identifier., the serbs and albanians do not P m kocovski (talk) 10:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Moved to Ethnic Macedonians in Serbia. We're either be consistent or not.-- Avg 22:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Famous Maks

If anyone knows Famous Maks from Serbia, please extend that portion of the article. Mactruth (talk) 23:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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What is Serbia?

Local hero, certain event occurs during the time on a certain territory. This territory belonged to different countries during the time. It is not right to change the territorial circumstances in the time historical events as we like, but to take into account the history and the chronology of the events. The fact that Prohor Pčinjski Monastery area is Serbian today does not mean that it has always been so. On the contrary, the opposite is true. In August 1944 Serbia existed as a separate entity but with different borders and Prohor Pčinjski Monastery was not included there. Jingiby (talk) 06:29, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

So, for example, we should delete the text about the beheaded Bulgarian peasants of Niš and the Niš Rebellion from Bulgarians in Serbia because those events occurred in the Ottoman Empire and not Serbia?

This article is about Macedonians in Serbia. Follow the latter link and you'll see what "Serbia" means. This article should include Macedonian history that happened in what is today Serbia.

Your logic does not make sense to me. I mean, how could we have an article about the History of the Jews in North Macedonia when the Bulgarians deported Vardar Macedonia's Jews to their deaths long before the Republic of Macedonia/North Macedonia came around? The article talks about the Jews who lived in what is now the Macedonian republic - just as this article should talk about what happened related to Macedonians in what is today Serbia. --Local hero ^talk 23:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

The difference is that it was an entity called Serbia in 1944, but this event happened not there, but in the region of Macedonia, on then Bulgarian territory. Jingiby (talk) 03:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't address my points. --Local hero ^talk 03:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I think that this text is more suitable for the article about the Macedonians in Bulgaria. Jingiby (talk) 06:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. I think you're being overly intricate. If we follow your methodology then geography on Wikipedia will be a convoluted mess.Kromid (talk) 10:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

These are just facts. Then both Serbia and Bulgaria existed as state entities, and the event took place in then Bulgaria. Not to mention that after that this territory was part of SR Macedonia, and only then it was joined to Serbia. Jingiby (talk) 10:27, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Those facts provide zero hinderance to including the fact on this article. As stated above, we discuss the History of Jews in N Macedonia even though the Jews never technically lived in such an entity, they lived in the Ottoman Empire, the Kingdom of Serbia/Yugoslavia, etc. It is not only acceptable to discuss ASNOM on this article, it is an important piece in discussing the history of Macedonians in Serbia and the article cannot be without it. --Local hero ^talk 13:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)