Talk:MV Astoria

Astoria never was the oldest passenger ship

Sea Cloud - built in 1931 - is an older oceangoing passenger ship that is undertaking overnight voyages. Juno - built in 1874 - is the oldest passenger ship undertaking overnight voyages. She also frequently sails on the Baltic Sea, albeit near the coast. Skiblander - built in 1856 - is still in service. In the article, Astoria is referred to as ‘passenger liner’. This denomination is neither a nautical term nor is it not known in naval architecture - Astoria is and always was a passenger ship. One can therefore assume that the term ‘passenger liner’ term was intentionally used by an author who was biased towards dubbing Astoria ‘oldest ship’. I therefore propose to remove all sentences insinuating that Astoria is ‘the oldest ship’ of whatever kind. VoithSchneider1001 (talk) 20:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

The article does not say anywhere that "Astoria was the oldest passenger ship". Although the wording could probably be improved, the clues are all there in the very first sentence; not all decriptions of ships derive from their naval architecture. Stockholm was an ocean/passenger liner, ie she ran a transport service on a scheduled line between regular ports across an ocean - this is a well-understood description. Later on she became a cruise ship (I would say in 1960, rather than from the 1993 refit). I think that the article is trying to say that all passenger liners built before 1948 have already gone out of passenger service, whether as liners or cruise ships.

Sea Cloud is a relative newcomer as a cruise ship - before 1978 (or perhaps 1969) she was a yacht, and has never been a passenger liner; neither have the venerable Juno or Skibladner. Davidships (talk) 00:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

The article says 'she is the oldest passenger liner still sailing in deep water routes'. This statement is inaccurate and shall be removed. Astoria is presently not operational, she has at no time of her career been the oldest passenger ship (neither in line service nor undertaking cruises).

What matters is that Sea Cloud is (now) a passenger ship.

Juno is actually serving on a 'line' route. 212.78.185.49 (talk) 14:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Pierce, Puerto Rico registration, and disposition of ship

I have again reverted 2.206.214.160's edits to this page because the edits constitute original research and synthesis. 2.206.214.160 keeps pointing at this database entry at a corporate information aggregator to support the contention that Pierce is "still looking for a solution for ship" (or at least I think that's what the contention is, there seems to be some kind of language barrier).

Anyway, there is nothing in the source that even mentions that Astoria. Unless there's a source that expressly states that Pierce is trying to do something specific with the ship, it shouldn't be in the article. Using information from a corporate info aggregator to support something that is not expressly said anywhere else goes against Wikipedia's policy prohibiting original research.

TLDR: Unless there is a specific source that says Pierce said he is still looking for a way to save the ship, please don't re-add it. We can't make inferences of his intentions; we need a source that expressly says what his intentions are.

Courtesy ping to @Thewolfchild:, who reverted similar edits. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Aoi knows nothing about ship, ship still belongs to B. Pierce and has no chance to scrap, the selling was just from one company of Pierce situated in Europe to another one of Pierce situated in USA, just a money transfer --2.206.214.160 (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC) yes it has B. Pierce is the owner and President of company, mean suite 200 office and TradeNews mentioned this company, so do not know why youguy in USA have so difficult with english, when is too clear --2.206.214.160 (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Your edits were unsourced, so have been reverted. General Ization ^Talk 19:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)#

you know something, here the main problem of wikipedia, why many pages have huge discrepancies errors, is because administrators come with such arguments, but of course when make an edit is because a huge study with sources is behind. Many administrators like Aoi in Hawaii or you in USA is out of knowing in accuracy what happens worldwide and here in Europe. So if you administrators come with your personal attacks, give me the same chance to attack back with same coin. --2.206.214.160 (talk) 20:48, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

That's not how it works. While you are blocked, I suggest you take the time to learn the various policies & guidelines that have been repeatedly cited for you, so that if you choose to resume editing, you won't be in constant violation of them. - wolf 21:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Image

@Cauldron1: You just removed an image from the page, citing "...ownership problems". Can you expand upon and clairify what that is about and why it suddenly seemed to necessitate the removal of this image ? Thank you - wolf 06:13, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Although the deletion of what is apparently his own photo with that "explanation" is indeed odd, it is no loss. The whole of that last paragraph should probably be deleted as unreferenced ephemera, and more-or-less WP:OR and WP:SYNTH; the photo makes no useful contribution to the article in itself. Davidships (talk) 16:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I did a quick search for recent reliable sources and none seem to exist, so I have deleted the second paragraph per WP:V. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)