Talk:MRT Line 3 (Metro Manila)/Archive 1

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Renaming this article

There is already an article called Manila Light Rail Transit System that is similar to this one but different enough -- perhaps this article should be renamed to List of Manila Metro Stations or something like that. I'm too new to know the "official" way to do this... -- StopTheFiling 17:54, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

There's a difference between the MRT and the LRT. I think. Hey, what is the difference anyway? Why aren't they all just called "MRT"? :p TheCoffee 18:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

LRT-1 (Yellow Line - Baclaran to Monumento) and MRT-2 (Purple line - Santolan to Recto) are run by the LRTA while Metrostar/MRT-3 (Blue Line - Taft Ave. to North Ave.) is run by MRTC. Edward Sandstig 23:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, MRT-3 is run by the DOTC. The MRTC is in charge of maintainance works. --Akira123323 ^{Say what? | Track record} 10:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. Would you happen to have data on when the transfer portion of the BOT agreement will take effect and if the system will then be part of the LRTA? Edward Sandstig 11:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm do not have anything on that yet. I would have to check the agreement between the DOTC and MRTC, but I can't find any records of that online. I might have to check with the DOTC or the MRTC on that. --Akira123323 ^{Say what? | Track record} 10:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Line map

While I appreciate that this article includes a map of this transit system, it would be a useful improvement if this map included the routes of the Manila Light Rail Transit System. -- llywrch 02:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I would love that too, although the LRT isn't exactly involved in this system, especially since they are not related to each other. Besides, that type of map is in the LRT article. --Akira123323 ^{Say what? |}

GPASS has been phased out

Can someone change some sections in this article, namely the GPASS section. GPASSES was phased out on 2008 when Globe's contract expired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.205.159.192 (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

third or second

The current version of this article starts in the introduction with: The Metro Rail Transit (MRT-3) is Metro Manila's third rapid transit line. It forms part of the Strong Republic Transit System, which includes the Manila Light Rail Transit System. The line operates under the name Metrostar Express and is colored blue on rail maps. This part of the lead section is actually misleading because it is historically the second line in metro Manila to be operated. It is the third line in the government project SRTS, but this remains somewhat unclear at the moment. Maybe it's better to move the word third into the second phare, about SRTS to avoid this misinformation. Leodb (talk) 16:24, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing confusing or misinformation or misleading in it. We are not ordinal numbering the train lines based on which one operated publicly first but rather which numbering the government uses. What is now Yellow Line (Blue Line under PGMA) is exactly that - the third Mega Manila train line, no more and no less. We stick to that - MRT-3, LRT-3, Line-3 if you want to follow the old naming scheme. --- Laibcoms (talk | Contribs) 03:48, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Renaming to New Official Name

This article needs renaming to the new official color and name: "Yellow Line" as per Secretary Roxas http://business.inquirer.net/43411/dotc-lists-priority-projects-for-ppp --- Laibcoms (talk | Contribs) 03:48, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Renaming them to this would just confuse readers as there is a former color scheme which was implemented during the Arroyo administration and which people are more familiar with. I suggest that we just include them into the articles as they coincide with the other names/colors given to them. Yet if we need to rename them I suggest that we use the titles "Manila Line 1, 2, 3, and 7" which bases them on grammatically correct and reader-friendly naming.Jeromesandilanico (talk | Contribs) 14:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC+8)

But that's the problem, the new color scheme is the official name. They are already using it. In North Avenue and Quezon Avenue stations, they're posting: "MRT-3 Yellow Line". (They're probably using Ivan Pavlov conditioning technique, in this case: "MRT-3 Yellow Line", a few months later "Yellow Line MRT-3", then a few months later just "Yellow Line".)

The historical color-scheme (LRT-1 was historically Yellow [since 1984]; MRT-2 Purple [since 2003]; and MRT-3 Blue [since 1999]) was only caught on by few people. Most still use "LRT", "LRT-2", and "MRT" (not even the ones used officially by the government = LRT-1; MRT-2; MRT-3). In any case, we can not use both the historical color-scheme and the 2012-color scheme as it will be very confusing, and we can not use the historical color-scheme either if the government is implementing the 2012-color scheme (we'll end up seeing numerous edits once it catches on).

A generic name is the best option but is it allowed (in wikipedia)? Creating our own generic names which users won't be familiar with anyway? (You and me are familiar but that's you and me, not everybody else, not the future generations - they'll edit it one day.) I don't know, I'm more inclined in following the official name, less problems that way and future-proof (unless a new president decides to play with train coloring books again). (PS They're repainting all stations and train units, so eventually we won't see the historical colors as we know it from our generation.)

--- Laibcoms (talk | Contribs) 08:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Agree that renaming the train line according to the new official color scheme would just confuse readers. Even MMDA Chairman Francis Tolentino seems unaware also of the new colors from this recent article from the Manila Bulletin dated 10 July 2012 A NEW CITY, A NEW METRO MANILA, A NEW FUTURE. It also doesn't help that the LRTA website hasn't followed this new scheme yet. The best option is to wait it out until the admin has "officially" launched this new brand complete with new magnetic cards, posters and press release. RioHondo (talk) 18:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Renaming to a "Generic Name"

It has come to my attention or even to many of us that there is a new color scheme being implemented by the Aquino administration among the 3 major train lines in Manila especially in the MRT-3 where even the tickets show the new color scheme which is the yellow line and it confuses people with the line originally colored yellow line which is the LRT-1. Yet we all know that LRTA which operates LRT-1 and MRT-2 dosent follow this scheme yet which makes things even more complicated and confusing.

In line with this may I suggest to rename the articles as following
Manila LRT Yellow Line -> Manila Line 1

Manila Purple Line -> Manila Line 2

Manila Metro Rail Transit System -> Manila Line 3

And so as the line under planning

Manila Red Line -> Manila Line 7

I believe that doing this would be less confusing to the people and we could just indicate the line colors both current and former in the article rather than in the name itself. Any other suggestions or comments are welcome as long as we achieve this as finding a "generic name" is, in my opinion, an urgent matter needed to be solved. Jeromesandilanico talk | Contribs) 14:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC+8)

Agree with the move to a generic name. Although may i propose the following names instead to be more precise:

Manila LRT Yellow Line -> Manila LRT Line 1

Manila Purple Line -> Manila LRT Line 2

Manila Metro Rail Transit System -> as is, no need to rename. Manila MRT is already a redirect.

Manila Red Line -> Manila MRT Line 7

There may be changes in color scheme, but they remain LRT and MRT: 2 separate rail systems operated by 2 separate entities. Cheers! --RioHondo (talk) 06:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes your naming scheme I think is much better though i think extending the name of Manila Metro Rail Transit System into Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 3 would be better as to also indicate its Line number just like its counterparts in the MRT-7 and LRTA lines 1 and 2. If there will be no other contest to the naming schemes of RioHondo, I move that exactly one week after this discussion all articles mentioned above be renamed to the Generic Names given to them as to implement them as soon as possible is a priority.

Off topic though can you please reprimand/sanction/block this user Veluz330 (talk) as he keeps on changing the content of the articles like changing the official acronym of LRTA Line 2 from (MRT-2) to (LRT-2) as despite the latter being the one colloquially used the former must prevail as it is the official name even imprinted on LRT-1 stored value tickets and even on official LRTA documents. And even if he was already reprimanded, he just deletes the reprimands i gave him in his talk page.
Jeromesandilanico (talk | Contribs) 17:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC+8)

It has been a week since the naming scheme suggested by RioHondo was suggested and agreed upon and as per invitations to contest and suggest of one week has been reached and no other users tend to disagree, therefore I now moved the articles to the naming set by RioHondo with some minor modifications in which for LRT-1, MRT-2, and MRT-7 instead of using only the acronym, i expanded the acronym to its meaning and for MRT-3 I just added the Line 3 on the last part of the name.

So the following articles are now named as the following:

Manila LRT Yellow Line -> Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 1

Manila LRT Purple Line -> Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 2

Manila Metro Rail Transit System -> Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 3

Manila Red Line -> Manila Mass Rapid Transit Line 7

Any objections or concerns are still welcome and if majority of the users find the new generic naming unacceptable, I am willing to revert it back to the way it was. JeromesandilanicoJSD (talk) 09:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

The new color scheme has not yet been implemented in full, and I am at a loss as to why these pages ought to be moved in the first place. As I have repetitively raised in the Strong Republic Transit System talk page, even if the new scheme has been implemented on the MRT (and not even completely at that), the fact that the LRT hasn't implemented it ought to mean that we shouldn't preempt the system's full implementation. For now, I will revert the MRT move, as it is a separate system and the line number is unnecessary. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 05:36, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Well the fact that the MRT-3 management is using the "Yellow Line" name on the new stored value cards of the MRT-3 is already a factor to be considered as it causes confusion as despite the LRT-1 name being more known than the SRTS naming, somehow it already has caught on to the people too. And to make things worse LRTA isnt implementing yet the new color scheme which causes double jeopardy in the "Yellow Line" naming. JeromesandilanicoJSD (talk) 13:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The thing here is that the MRTC only uses the line color on tickets, and in relatively minor station details. Everything else: the station signage, the train livery, even the station interiors are still predominantly blue. How are we confusing people therefore if the system was proposed, and has not yet been completely implemented, when in particular the LRTA, as I brought up earlier, doesn't even use the new scheme at all? This is where I disagree with Laibcoms' sentiments above: people should be used to the fact by now that the lines in question have these pre-existing colors, whether or not people use them in common speech, and Pavlovian conditioning techniques towards the new colors (and even the old colors as well) notwithstanding. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 02:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Imo, renaming to the generic name is still the best solution to this whole color mess. And this introduction of new color tickets is the signal we've been looking for that its implementation has started indeed. It's basically just reverting them back to their pre-Arroyo/Strong Republic names where you basically just have people calling them simply as LRT and MRT (which btw are still more popularly used and more recognized by commuters to this day). And when I say generic, we have to also disregard the line numbers created by SRTS so that the MRT is not MRT-3. In fact it's supposed to be MRT-1 as it is the first MRT line. So as i said, there is no need to rename the Manila Metro Rail Transit System.--RioHondo (talk) 08:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

To Skyharbor: Well like the signanges in LRT-1 (new/arroyo admin) are in blue despite it being called the "Yellow Line" back then so don't expect that they would change the color of the signages to yellow, the trains on the other hand could be pending as we all know this will cost a great amount in changing the livery of the trains yet you could see inside the trains the addition on some trains of the "yellow handgrips" as part of the change and even in the station in the old analog clock docks you could see the "MRT-3 Yellow Line" posted in it. In the station interiors check it again you could see that most of it are now painted yellow as part of the change so you couldn't say that its still blue, yes it may still have blue but its just used to contrast yellow like in LRT-1 the roof isn't yellow but blue yet it was called "Yellow Line" back then. So in short in my opinion, a "Generic Name" is the best possible solution as not all lines changed to the new color scheme.JeromesandilanicoJSD (talk) 12:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

To RioHondo: the line number is the number designation used to the line route to distinguish it, whether it is MRT or LRT it wouldn't matter, so it couldn't be MRT-1 and besides the truth is that Line 3 should be even LRT-3 instead of MRT-3 because the "MRT" designation as known worldwide goes really to heavy rail train lines like MRT-2.JeromesandilanicoJSD (talk) 12:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Never mind that the MRT is not a real mrt or that Line 2 actually came later than Line 3 so their line numbers should have been switched. But for the purpose of "renaming to a generic name", we are only naming them according to their owner/operator. LRT 1 and 2 being owned and operated by LRTA which calls its trains LRT, and MRT being owned and operated by MRTC which calls its trains MRT. It's that simple. --RioHondo (talk) 15:58, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Using Metrostar Express

Dear Editors, kindly cite reason why it is still reverted old logo and old brand as there is no source URL or press release explicitly stating continuous usage the "Metrostar Express" name and logo. Please go to DOTC MRT3 at North depot and ask the management. Our readers are confused with these reverts you are doing despite changes in all signage in all stations and press releases. --Exec8 (talk) 03:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi i know you think that the "MetroRail Yellow Line" is the new logo of the train and branding but this is merely the corporate name. You might want to see the Metro Rail Transit Corporation article and see for yourself the logo that the "MetroRail Yellow Line" intended to replace. Plus do you need me to create a screenshot showing the metrostar express logo still in use in the dotcmrt3.gov.ph website? The mere use of that logo means that "Metrostar express" is still the train's branding but the management decided to show the new corporate logo more visibly instead. So the "new logo" would be best to be put into the Metro Rail Transit Corporation article rather than the Manila Metro Rail Transit System. One thing, they do not need a press release of whatsoever just because they still use in some way metrostar express because there was no change on it, the only change was the corporate logo.

P.S. I have been in and out of the depot recently and that is what they told me. Plus I ride the system everyday.PhilippineRevolution (talk) 04:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

No reliable source provided on the continuous usage of the old logo and old brand name in new signages, new press releases. Please explain explicitly with source URLS why the new logo and name should not be used.--Exec8 (talk) 05:10, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

You have no reliable sources to prove that the MetroRail yellow line is the new branding instead of the new corporate logo.

For my part here is a sceenshot (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2914/13941436769_e4c68d214c_o.jpg) of the dotcmrt3.gov.ph official website that shows the usage still of the "Metrostar Express" logo which implies that the line is still dubbed as "Metrostar Express" and that "MetroRail Yellow Line" is merely a corporate logo replacing the old corporate logo of the MRTC and that they have merely made the corporate logo more visible than the branding logo.PhilippineRevolution (talk) 05:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Reviving this discussion, take a look at the current site of the MRTC at http://www.mrt3.com. The Metrostar Express name is still prominently used there. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 06:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I think putting back the "Metrostar express" name is fine, but since a control struggle between the government (DOTC-MRT3) and the private investor (MRTC) is evident in the two different websites alone http://www.dotcmrt3.gov.ph and http://www.mrt3.com, omission of the logo must still prevail. PhilippineRevolution (talk) 07:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

MRT runs at 40kph

Is it necessary to put 40 kilometers per hour since it is the current operating speed of MRT due to problems on the rail tracks from the original 60-65kph? SkyHigher (talk) 02:43, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Controversy section

There are many controversies involving the MRT-3, like the maintenance providers, but they are still not present on the article. Can someone add any information related to controversies surrounding the MRT-3?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 10:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Rename to "Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 3"

Hi! It has come to my attention that the current name "Manila Metro Rail Transit System" alone is incomplete as even during its opening (see erap ticket of the MRTC) the line has a Line 3, 3, or -3 on its official name, the MetroRail Yellow Line logo, and official wordings in documents to name a few. I do believe that adding "Line 3" to the article would be necessary for one is to match up with the official naming since first operation and two to better incorporate it among other lines such as Lines 1, 2, and 7. This subject will serve as a consensus if such rename would be pursued or not so to all major contibutors (Mithril Cloud, Skyharbor, Exec8, Philippinerailways/NewPhilippinerailways, Riohondo, Jeromesandilanico, etc.) plus other contributors, please feel free to cast your vote on the subject matter here so that we may reach a consensus.

And to start the voting, my vote for the rename is an Aye or I agree to the rename.

Thanks! PhilippineRevolution (talk) 07:29, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. The current page title should be used for the overall system, like the Manila Light Rail Transit System page while the info already on this page should be moved to a “Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 3” page like with Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 7 UhFrenchFries (talk) 13:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Supporting the change here. The only problem is that MRT 3, 7 and 9 are owned by different organizations unlike LRT lines 1, 2, 4 and 6. Raku Hachijo (talk) 08:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Given the full swing construction of the MRT-7, I agree that this should be done. Korean Rail Fan 00:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Expand the Stations table to include rail/bus transfers

Would it be OK to include bus transfers in the table of stations? Right now only rail transfers are listed. I started doing this in the articles Transportation in Metro Manila and Public transport in Metro Manila. City buses are still a major means of transport in the metropolis. I don't have data about how many people actually transfer from rail to bus or vice versa, but putting it out for the public to know wouldn't be bad, right? Couldn't we add this information in all light rail Line articles to be consistent? Thanks. -- Miles2north (talk) 18:42, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

A major issue with this is that city bus (and jeepney) routes in Metro Manila are not numbered, and we don't have a clean way of mentioning routes unless we mention every single route that runs through an MRT station. That said, I am in favor of listing bus connections, but I'm counting on there being a cleaner way of doing so first. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 23:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

How about something like this? I used the Common Station as an example, but each LRT/MRT station will have a different list of course. Looking at the list of buses plying EDSA, you can pretty much see why EDSA is such a congested road, almost all city buses go through there. What is LTFRB thinking? --Miles2north (talk) 16:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I like the format, Miles2north, but if we can make it collapsible that might be better to reduce bloat. Also, consider using Sakay.ph for jeepney routes. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 19:19, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Transfers Nearby

Source: LTFRB; Google Maps. Note: Rail lines and facilities in italics are proposed and/or under construction.

Rail	City Bus	Jeepney	Provincial Bus	Notes
Line 1 Line 3 Line 7 Line 9 Metro Manila Subway	Alabang - Malanday via EDSA Alabang - Navotas Terminal via EDSA Alabang - Novaliches via EDSA Alabang - Novaliches Terminal via EDSA, Mindanao Ave Baclaran - Malanday via EDSA, Ayala Ave Baclaran - Malanday via EDSA, McArthur Hwy Baclaran - Navotas Terminal via Ayala Ave Baclaran - Navotas Terminal via EDSA Baclaran - Navotas Terminal via EDSA, Ayala Ave Baclaran - Norzagaray via EDSA, Marilao Exit Baclaran - Novaliches Terminal via EDSA, Mindanao Ave Baclaran - Sta. Maria via EDSA Baclaran - Sta. Maria via EDSA, McArthur Hwy Coastal Mall - Navotas Terminal via EDSA FTI - Navotas Terminal via EDSA Letre - Pacita Complex via EDSA Malanday - Muntinlupa via EDSA, Monumento Malanday - NAIA via EDSA, Buendia Marilao - Muntinlupa via EDSA Navotas Terminal - Pacita Complex via EDSA Novaliches - Pacita Complex via EDSA, Malinta Exit		MMDA North EDSA Provincial Bus terminal

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