Talk:MAX Blue Line/GA1

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Reviewer: Kew Gardens 613 (talk · contribs) 15:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Lead Like in the review for MAX Red Line, I would space out light rail in the lead to The MAX Yellow Line is a light rail line in Portland, Oregon, United States, operated by TriMet as part of the MAX Light Rail system.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Early freeway proposals Wikilink Oregon State Highway Department--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Add "the" before Portland City Council--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Meanwhile, Northwest Portland residents fought in opposition to Interstate 505. The city council approved the spur route in 1971. You need to make clear that Interstate Highway is that spur route. You can combine these two sentences.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Following a suspect environmental impact study What do you mean by this?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] A few articles mention that the EIS conducted was shady. I didn't really dive into the research as to why, because this paragraph was really long at one point and I had been trying to trim it down, per someone else's suggestion. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Okay.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Transitway planning and construction assembled a task force to determine potential alternative uses for the freeway funds, and in April 1974, the task force Add a comma between and and in.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done, I actually moved the comma before it. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] With the Mount Hood Freeway plan canceled, around $185 million of federal assistance became available in 1976 and were allocated Change were to was.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Change I-505 to Interstate 505, or put it in parenthesis at the first use and use I-505 at the second use.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] TriMet purchased 26 light rail vehicles from Bombardier, which started production in 1983 and began arriving the following year. As the sentence reads Bombardier began arriving the following year. Change it to "TriMet purchased 26 light rail vehicles from Bombardier, which started production in 1983 and started delivering them the following year."--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Construction of the light rail line commenced in April 1983 on a two-mile section Convert this to kilometers.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Why so? --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] I meant like this: three-mile (4.8 km)--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Got it! Thank you. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] 98,000-square-foot (9,100 m2) Change to hectares.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Which one? --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] M2, per the MAX Red Line review.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Got it! Thank you. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Kew Gardens 613: According to the cited article, that figure is just for the building, not the entire complex. For buildings, isn't m², rather than hectares, the more common unit? That's always been my impression, but I'm American, so I don't know for sure. SJ Morg (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Kew Gardens 613: I have rephrased that sentence to clarify what the area figure was referring to, but I'd still welcome a reply to my question about units. For now, I have changed hectares back to m², based on my understanding of the convention for metric units for building interiors. SJ Morg (talk) 06:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Early planning and delays to persuade Congress and UMTA. Add the before UMTA.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] When used as an acronym, UMTA actually omits the preceding "the". --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Okay.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Meanwhile, the efforts of Huffman and others regarding the proposed extension to Hillsboro led to the preparation of a supplemental study in 1991 and in July 1993, TriMet approved an extension of the initial 11.5-mile (19 km) line 6.2 miles (10 km) farther west, bringing the project's new total distance to 17.7 miles (28.5 km) (some sources say 17.5 km) Split this sentence into two after study in 1991.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Funding and construction Funding for the Westside MAX proved difficult You haven't described this section as the Westside MAX beforehand. You should call it by the Westside extension.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] for the head of UMTA's office add the before UMTA.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] As above. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Route The Blue Line shares much of its alignment with the Red Line, originally from 11th Avenue loop tracks in downtown Portland then Beaverton Transit Center since 2001 and 2003, respectively, to Gateway Transit Center, where Red Line trains diverge towards Portland International Airport. Change this to "The Blue Line shares much of its alignment with the Red Line, using the same tracks from Beaverton Transit Center to Gateway Transit Center, where Red Line trains diverge toward Portland International Airport. Between 2001 and 2003 they had also shared routes between the 11th Avenue loop tracks in Downtown Portland and Beaverton Transit Center.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Actually, that's not quite right. Hopefully I've rewritten it to make more sense. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Yes. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Service What do you mean by "beginning service"--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] First train. I have fixed it. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] I don't see any reason to capitalize "Frequent Service." If you need to you can right that TriMet designates it as a frequent service.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Ridership Amid crowding in Blue Line trains operating along the Westside MAX, TriMet extended the Red Line further west to Beaverton Transit Center in 2003. Change this to "Due to" and add the date in 2003.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	For an article this size, the lead should be longer. Maybe devote a paragraph to the eastside and another to the westside?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	* Concerning Selinger, I would use rp for page numbers to be consistent with the other references. Also, add the OCLC number for it.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Early freeway proposals For Source 11, include the May 2004 date, not just 2004. Also, add the OCLC number.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] For Source 12, add the OCLC number.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Transitway planning and construction For Source 25, cite the actual text and cite the page numbers.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Early planning and delays For Source 59, add the page number.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Funding and Construction For source 75, include the place name for the newspaper, which is Eugene.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] For source 84, ad the ISSN.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Actually, it's a cite mag. Replaced. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Route For Source 59, add the page number.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] For Source 118, cite the map, not the Transit Maps site, which is a SPS, and which by the way, I love. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. Indeed, a great site. I love making transit maps, although still a noob. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Perhaps, once you get better, you can create some maps to upload to Commons to illustrate articles like this.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Kew Gardens 613: I actually am about to finish an update of the Portland one in the MAX Light Rail article! I may post it later tonight! --Truflip99 (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Stations For source 123, you state that it is from March 2009, when it is from April 2010.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Service For Source 132, cite the printable pdf timetables.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Source 133 is dead and was archived.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. I added the dead-url param, but it seems to not be working atm. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] @Epicgenius: Do you have any idea why this might not be working? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Good.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Good.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	No issues here.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Transitway planning and construction Among five alternatives developed by the Highway Division Could you list all of the alternatives?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] The Portland Traction Company transferred its 4.6-mile (7.4 km) right-of-way in Gresham to TriMet the following month You hadn't established that the line was using an existing right-of-way beforehand. When was this last used?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] @SJ Morg and Truflip99: I am not the expert here, but the issue on your talk page needs to be resolved before I pass this section.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Resolved now. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Inauguration and later improvements You should add the construction of infill stations at the Mall here, the Convention Center station and at Civic Drive, including why they were not built earlier.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 19:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] In 2015, TriMet began renovations of fourteen of the system's oldest stations between Hollywood/Northeast 42nd Avenue Transit Center and Cleveland Avenue station. Three stations—Gresham City Hall, East 122nd Avenue, and East 162nd Avenue—have been renovated as of February 2019. What work was undertaken as part of the renovations?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Early planning and delays Background on the history of the Oregon Electric Railway line is needed here.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] You should add more on the alternatives, the chosen alignment and costs from here.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Funding and construction Oregon voters subsequently rejected a measure to permit the use of local vehicle registration fees for public transit. It would be useful to know the margin.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] The same goes here: Portland area voters approved the ballot measure in November, marking the region's first successful vote approving public transportation.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Several alternative alignments through the West Hills were studied, with TriMet selecting a three-mile (4.8 km) "long tunnel" option in April 1991. Given that this is the only tunnel in the system, it would be useful to know what the alternatives were.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Opening In September 2000, TriMet adopted a color coding scheme; before the Red Line's opening in 2001. Could exact dates be provided? Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] I still can't view the 2000 article, so maybe @SJ Morg: could assist? Otherwise, I just put the date the article was published. Done for the other one. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] The 9/21/2000 article does not say exactly when it was adopted, just implies that it was recent, and gives the clear impression that the change was adopted by the agency staff without need for approval by the board. I have changed the text back to just "September 2000" for accuracy. SJ Morg (talk) 06:52, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Regarding implementation, the first public schedules to show the new colors were those dated August 26, 2001, but (from my own observations as a rider) it took at least three months to implement the change, between June and September 2001, because it takes a lot of time to update signage at what was then about 50 stations (on the Gresham–Hillsboro line; the airport branch's stations needed no updating) and to replace the rollsign-type destination signs in what was then almost 80 light rail cars (with new rolls showing blue or red background color, instead of black), with each car having four signboxes. So, it was far from an overnight implementation, but the goal was to complete it before the opening of the airport line, and from everything I saw, that goal was met. For the sake of discussion, I'd say that August 26, 2001, is the only precise 'implementation date' that could be considered accurate, but I cannot find a citation for that, so the less precise wording in the article is likely the best that can done on this point. SJ Morg (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Stations and Ridership Could you provide the exact opening dates?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply] Done. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Good.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Good.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Other than the addition of copyrighted information, which was removed, no issues
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	no issue
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	no issue
	7. Overall assessment.

Hello Truflip99 (talk · contribs), thanks for your work on this article. I hope to have comments for you shortly.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

@Truflip99: Great work on this article. I look forward to passing it! Concerning sources, for some reason, it shows up as pending. To see what I added, look in edit source. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2019 (UTC) @Truflip99: All that is left are the issues in section 3A. Thanks for your quick fixes.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kew Gardens 613: Should be good to go! Please let me know if there is anything I missed. --Truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Truflip99: Thanks for the great work you have done on the article and in the GAR process. The article is good!--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.