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Did you know... that although the "Daisy" advertisement (pictured) was aired only once, it is considered to be one of the most important factors for victory in Lyndon B. Johnson's 1964 presidential campaign?

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Daisy advertisement

... that although the Daisy ad (pictured) was aired only once, it is considered to be one of the most important factors for victory in Lyndon B. Johnson's 1964 presidential campaign? Source: The Daisy Ad and an Appeal to Fear; How the “Daisy” Ad Changed Everything About Political Advertising: Smithsoian magazine; Library of Congress

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Comment: As per discussion on 1, videos can be added in hooks.

Created by Kavyansh.Singh (talk). Self-nominated at 18:11, 3 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article is a new spin-off, that is clearly notable. Hook is cited to the Smithsoian. I admit I was more interested in the Daisy advertisement than the campaign article, but that means the hook is certainly attention grabbing. There are a few formatting errors on the talk page, and the spin-off needs to note any copied content properly for attribution purposes. Earwig's bot reports close paraphrasing of the "Because tonight the contest is the same..." speech, which is a direct quotation, but may be worth trimming. I can't remember if US Federal Government campaign speeches are public domain or not, can you advise? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: Hi, thanks for your comments. I have resolved all the formatting errors on the talk page and have properly attributed some copied content on talk page. I guess the direct quotation can be ignored in copyvio, but I have still trimmed the quote. I have taken the campaign speeches from certain sources which are cited in the article. Also, the video file is in public domain, and even a Featured picture, so I don't feel that is an issue. I guess most of the issues are resolved. Kindly let me know of any other problem. Thanks! Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 05:10, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kavyansh.Singh, I'm still concerned that the copyvios tool reports "51.6% : Violation possible". Can you look into that in a bit more depth? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:51, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie333, I have further reduced the content of the speech, which is under direct quotation. The copyvio detector now shows "Violation Unlikely" Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think all my concerns are now addressed, so I can pass this now. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Daisy attack ad

The suggestion that the Daisy ad was a turning point in the presidential campaign is weakened in the article by the graph which follows: the graph shows little change in polling before and after the ad. Goldwater actually improved his polling slightly towards the end of the race. Instead, the Smithsonian article, referenced, suggests its key significance is that it was the first "attack ad", which freed others to follow suit in all subsequent presidential campaigns, and indeed in other countries as well. Verne Equinox (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Verne Equinox: I understand your concern but I don't believe that the DYK hook has factual error. Indeed the Daisy ad had key significance in political advertisements and is considered the first "attack ad", but it too had much effect on Johnson's campaign. It was a direct attack on pro-war views of Barry Goldwater, which convinced many that a Goldwater administration would result in a nuclear conflict. It successfully characterized Goldwater as an extremist not to be trusted with America’s future, which damaged Goldwater's political prospects. Although the opinion polls don't show any change in Johnson's polling numbers, the result of election did; Johnson won by largest margin of popular vote. And I think that "Daisy" ad can be considered one of the most important factors for victory in his campaign. ([1], [2])Thanks for reading the article. Hope my reply helps. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kavyansh.Singh Thanks for the defense, which I accept. The fact that Johnson had a such a strong lead throughout the race makes it all the more regrettable that they chose to use the ad. Given the subsequent proliferation of attack ads, the term Pandora's box comes to mind. Verne Equinox (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again @Verne Equinox – I have recently expanded the article on Daisy (advertisement), and have nominated it for GA. It would be a great help if you can provide some suggestion for improvement. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]