Talk:Lutz Graf Schwerin von Krosigk

Military history: European / German / World War I

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	European military history task force
	German military history task force
	World War I task force

Biography: Military / Politics and Government / Royalty and Nobility

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by the military biography work group (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility.

Germany High‑importance

	Germany portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Germany, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Germany on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GermanyWikipedia:WikiProject GermanyTemplate:WikiProject GermanyGermany
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Politics High‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Infobox

For readers, providing a smooth link to East German heads of government is preferable. PMA 08:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title

If as Hebel says his legal name was Johann Ludwig Graf Schwerin von Krosigk, with the title incorporated into his name, then the title of the article should be either Johann Ludwig Graf Schwerin von Krosigk or, without his middle names, Johann Schwerin von Krosigk. The name Graf should not be translated into the English Count, any more than Johann should be translated into the English John. I suggest the article be moved accordingly. Adam 02:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We've actually been discussing the naming of German nobles here: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#German nobility. My own preference would be Johann Graf Schwerin von Krosigk. Mackensen (talk) 02:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about this arcane topic to get involved in that debate, but I will rename this article if no-one else does. Where did "Lutz" come from, by the way? Is it a diminutive of Ludwig? Is that the personal name he was actually known by? Are you related to Field Marshal von Mackensen, or it this just a nom de wiki? Adam 02:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see John's answered the first three, so I'll just field the latter. Mackensen is `my nom de Internet, established before I came here. (And my actual name is Charles, of which I make little secret any more...). Mackensen (talk) 12:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe "Lutz" was a diminutive of "Ludwig," and the name he was actually known by. Lutz Graf Schwerin von Krosigk would be my suggestion for the title. john k 06:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with that - could someone please do the move? Adam 07:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mackensen (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Your illustrious namesake's article could use some work. World War I military history is not really my field. Adam 01:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

von Krosigk as Chancellor

Leading Minister is not like "Reichskanzler", Cancellor of the German "Reich". Leading Minister and Chancellor are total different, it is not even close to "in effect". Last Chancellor was Joseph Goebbels, appointet by Hitler prior to his suicide. I took this out of the article. NashvilleD 11:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but Goebbels also commited suicide on May 1st, so perhaps Krosigk was his successor in the last days of the Reich. L337 Krew (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Krosigk was the effective Chancellor, but he did not hold the title, and we should not call him Chancellor. john k (talk) 06:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but he is down as the successor to Goebbels as Chancellor, tho called ‘Leading Minister’. It then says the office was abolished. This is because of the gap between the downfall of Nazi Germany and the rise of the BRD, I suppose. But why is this not done with the Presidency? Doenitz’s successor is given as the first President of the BRD, it does not say the office is ‘abolished’.

Why the difference? 2A00:23C3:E284:900:970:F2AE:B1BD:2939 (talk) 12:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When did he take office?

I've seen May 1 and May 2; let's get the template to conform with the article text, or vice versa. Biruitorul 06:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Party

How could he be in the Nazi party and not be a socialist?--LtWinters 23:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was he even an active party member? When did he join? I have always been under the impression that Krosigk was an opportunist, a far-right conservative, and certainly a survivor; but that any Nazi affiliation was ancillary and pro forma.169.253.4.21 (talk) 22:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)Texxasfinn[reply]

Whuh? Most Nazis were not socialists by any normal standard. john k (talk) 06:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was a technocrat, and could easily have been a party member in name only. If he was a Nazi he was not a conservative, much less a "far right conservative" [which is a contradiction in terms anyway]. Nazis were by definition socialist - national socialist. The movement was more left wing than right. The political spectrum is a circle, move to the far left and you get closer to the far right.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:16, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

In this picture is German admiral Günther von Krosigk. Improvisaator (talk) 11:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May 2 speech

Why is the May 2 speech listed as an activity "after" WWII? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.204.117 (talk) 02:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trial

What was he charged with? A major detail, surely. If he was "Found guilty in the Ministries Trial in 1949", he must have been charged with something.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]