Talk:Lurie Children's Hospital

Article merge

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To merge Children's Memorial Hospital into Lurie Children's Hospital due to the continuity of the institution despite a building and name change. Klbrain (talk) 09:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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This article should not be separate from Children's Memorial Hospital. We do not have separate articles for the previous locations of this hospital, and there should not be separate ones now. These are the same people, doing the same job, with the same patients, at a different address and with a different name on the building. It should have been done as a move and not a split. The history of the old facility is important to the new one. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 02:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose We can create separate articles on separate facilities, even if one is the direct successor of the other.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:10, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Brand name can only be Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago or Lurie Children's. It cannot appear as Lurie Children's Hospital.Mcdigital (talk) 20:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

There should be a third article that combines them as a series.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.208.200.157 (talk) 22:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 

• Oppose The two facilities, Children's Memorial Hospital and Lurie Children's Hospital, are separate facilities in two distinct neighborhoods of Chicago, Lincoln Park, and Streeterville, respectively, which are about 3 miles apart. The entries regarding the two facilities should remain separate. 155.91.45.229 (talk) 14:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

There should be one page -- Children's Memorial Hospital is no longer a functioning facility and is currently being torn down. Integrating the Children's Memorial article into the Lurie Children's Hospital article would give readers a more complete sense of the institution's history. User: Ala1188 (talk) 11:46, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

• Agree. The facility constitutes the same staff and patient base, at another (replacement) facility and with another name. Hospitals do this all the time and we don't create new pages. This shouldn't even be a matter up for a vote as it was done incorrectly to begin with. 99.164.12.187 (talk) 02:38, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk · contribs) 17:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll review this later. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

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7. Overall: Pass

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Lead

• Since the lead is a summary of the article and refs should only be used for contentious subjects, can the 360 beds reference be moved to the body?
• Please wikilink U.S.News & World Report

History

• References 13 & 14 don't support sentence
• Can some of these one-sentence lines be connected into a paragraph?
• Wikilink Ray Kroc
• In 2006, hospital administration had announced plans to build an entirely new children's hospital closer to downtown Chicago and closer to the campus of their academic affiliate, Northwestern University. needs a reference
  • Also, I suggest merging it with the 2008 sentence since it seems odd to jump from the 1980s to late 2000s
• Please merge On June 9, 2012, the hospital moved from their old campus to its current location in Streeterville, in a coordinated move of 200 children that took over 10 hours with The hospital also changed its name to Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago & Ann Lurie stuff paragraph
• reference 46 doesn't mention the Fire Department
• Fix reference 61
• Wikilink COVID-19 pandemic
  • May, December, and 2021 can be one paragraph

About

• Remove the external link and Wikilink U.S.News & World Report instead

Ronald McDonald House

• The history section can probably be one paragraph
  • Please Wikilink Black Lives Matter
    • Also, remove HealthLeaders as the author of reference 93

References

• Please ensure that all references linking to a newspaper are cited as Cite news not Cite web (such as reference 1)
• Please ensure consistency with dates in references (ie. reference 95 says 11 April 2020 while nearly all the others are 2021-01-17)
• Reference 17, 18 need website name
• Reference 34 needs the author

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Edge3 (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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[[File:|140px|An exterior image of Lurie Children's Hospital. ]]

An exterior image of Lurie Children's Hospital.

• ... that in June 2012, Lurie Children's Hospital (pictured) moved from their old campus to their current location in Streeterville, in a coordinated move of 200 children that took over 10 hours? Source: [1] (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • ALT1:... that in 2007 philanthropist Ann Lurie made a $100 million donation to the Children's Memorial Hospital in Chicago, prompting a rename to Lurie Children's Hospital (pictured)? Source: [2] "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Improved to Good Article status by Andrew nyr (talk). Self-nominated at 03:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC).

• Full review to follow, but for now a comment about the hooks. I think the original hook is the best one, but it could be a little snappier. Perhaps there could be more focus about the "200 children in 10 hours" move, like it being mentioned at the start instead of at the end? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 05:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, How is this,
ALT2 ... that in a coordinated move of 200 children that took over 10 hours, Lurie Children's Hospital (pictured) moved from their old campus to their current location in Streeterville in June 2012. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 16:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's still a bit too long, maybe there's a way to tighten it further? I don't think the "coordinated" wording is necessary and given the length of the hook the place mention is also probably optional. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, How is this, ALT3 ... that in June 2012, Lurie Children's Hospital (pictured) moved to a new location, transporting 200 children that took over 10 hours?

Perhaps something like: ALT3a ... that when Lurie Children's Hospital (pictured) moved to a new location in June 2012, it took over 10 hours to transfer 200 children? I realize I'm contradicting my earlier comments about putting the move first, but this feels like a clearer rewording of ALT3 (even though it's slightly longer). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, I like this! I am good with ALT3a! Thanks, Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 04:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, pinging you again, I don't know if you saw this ^^. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response, real life caught up. I took a look at the article and it looks pretty good right now, I'll try to finish the review soon (maybe tomorrow at the earliest). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:32, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

So far the article looks good: article was promoted to GA on the day of the nomination and no close paraphrasing was found. The hook fact is cited inline and verified. Nominator has less than five DYK credits so a QPQ is not required. My only concern with the article at the moment is that some wordings in the article feel a little too promotional; maybe words such like "offers", "continues to be the top", etc. can be changed to more neutral-sounding ones? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 03:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Apologies for the late reply, but I think the issues have now been addressed. GTG. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I propose a slight rephrasing. First, it would help to mention that the hospital is in Chicago. Second, the source says "nearly" 200 children were moved, not exactly 200. ALT3b ... that when Lurie Children's Hospital (pictured) moved within Chicago to a new location in June 2012, it took over 10 hours to transfer nearly 200 children? Edge3 (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Edge3: I don't know, the sentence doesn't flow nicely. ALT3a has already been approved and I don't think that the word "Chicago" is necessary. Thanks, Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 02:30, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Andrew nyr: I was actually making my previous comment as a potential promoter, not a secondary reviewer. DYK goes through three layers of review, not just one, but you're quite right that Narutolovehinata5 conducted the original review so I'm going to ping him/her. Personally I think it's helpful to mention Chicago, otherwise the readers wouldn't know right away where the hospital is located. Additionally, mentioning "200 children" seems to imply precision. But I'm happy to get a second opinion. Others may have a different perspective. Edge3 (talk) 02:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Edge3: Rereading my reply, I realize that I might have come off as rude. This was not my intention. I am always grateful for input from other editors as we all see everything a little differently. I think that we can probably come to a compromise. In the meantime I am going to brainstorm more ways to improve the nom. Thanks again, Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 03:20, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate that! There are many other reviewers / promoters here at DYK, so I'm sure we'll arrive at a consensus soon enough. Edge3 (talk) 04:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I'll keep the comments in mind. I was actually planning to approve ALT3b but I can wait for the brainstorming to finish first. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 and Edge3, You can go ahead and approve Atl3b, I have been very busy and haven't come up with anything better. Thanks, Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 12:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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