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Genre

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Hip-Hop I would say is part of the genre of this album --Louis Taylor (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hip hop music is defined by rapping, DJing, sampling, scratching and beatboxing, none of which r on the album, w/exception of first track w/a rap. It is not a primary/prominant genre of the album. Dan56 (talk) 04:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, some songs The-Dream raps, e.g she needs my love and ditch that, but its defenatly an urban album--Louis Taylor (talk) 23:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He slows down his singing into a slow spoken word style on those two songs, but singing is prominant and those are only two songs w/minimal sung rhythmic style raps. So, the first track is the one hip/R&B song, while some others contain minimal hip hop elements. According to the wikipedia article, Contemporary R&B draws on hip hop elements such as flow and beats, similar to the album, but it is still R&B. "Urban" constitutes a radio format, which plays hiphop, dance, R&B-oriented music that is popular in urban areas. Dan56 (talk) 23:54, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Im pretty sure he sampled somthing on a few tracks--Louis Taylor (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure? Can u cite that? Regardless, it is not primary, and whatever its influence or incorporation on the album is, that is covered by "R&B" as in the previous paragraph on this discussion. Dan56 (talk) 21:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The song structure/composition on the album is pop and R&B, as is its sound. Critics of the album have acknowledged it as R&B/pop as well. Dan56 (talk) 17:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Love Hate = correct title

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This is not an arguable issue, the facts are clearly in place. See his OFFICIAL MySpace and his OFFICIAL Def Jam page and it clearly says LOVE HATE... Even Amazon uses the title (conjoining the two).

MySpace here
Def Jam here
Amazon here (uses the words altogether, but still says Love Hate nevertheless)

If the reverts continue, you will be reported for vandalism. The title was originally Love Me All Summer, Hate Me All Winter, but was obviously changed due to length and because it's the general meaning behind the title (hence why it appears on the cover but LOVE HATE are the large words...). --Ayoleftyz (talk) 21:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The page should stay at the title Love Hate. There are many reliable sources shown above which clearly show that this is the correct title. If anybody is going to move this page they must have a valid reason, backed up by reliable sources, before doing so. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 22:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I would suggest that both of you try to establish a consensus here about what link should be displayed rather than continually reverting each others edits. Maybe you should both take a break from editing this article? Thanks --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 16:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sales

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Is that all, I though hw would of moved way more than that! I was thinking that he would of at least got in the top twenty or even top 10. Trimy67 (talk) 00:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wetrorave (talk · contribs) 16:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


From a quick look, here's my opinion:

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Infobox and lead

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Background

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  • "As The-Dream recalls, "I called [Island Def Jam executive] Karen Kwak and I told her I wanted to [...] shit. I figured" > "The-Dream stated he remembers calling Island Def Jam executive Karen Kwak and telling her he "wanted to [...] shit." The-Dream said: "I figured"

Writing and recording

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  • "and McKinney[4] – were [...] Angeles.[5]" > "and McKinney – were [...] Angeles.[4][5]"
  • "approach[6] and wrote some of its songs responding" > "approach,[6] writing some of its songs as a response"
  • "life, most notably "Nikki", which was inspired" > "life. An example is "Nikki", a track inspired"
  • "from past artists" > "from artists" – past is redundant, since there's no way someone can be influenced by a future artist[b]
  • "elements,[4] as the" > "elements.[4] The" for the sentence not be too large
  • "resolutely luminescent" with" > "resolutely luminescent", with" for readers to have a pause on this sentence

Title and packaging

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  • Change to Title and album cover
  • Make this section a level 3 header since it's three/four lines long

Marketing and sales

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  • "Around the time of "Bed"'s release," > "Near the release of "Bed","

Critical reception

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  • Ref 25 redirects to Vibe's news page; use this
  • "year" because of The-Dream's ability to write catchy songs." > "year",opining that The-Dream is a skilled songwriter."
    • Well, the critic specifies it's his "tune-sense", tune meaning melody or melodic song, so I've revised it to "The-Dream's instinct for composing melodies". isento (talk) 02:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Some reviewers had reservations." – this is a very vague statement; what reservations did they have, and why?
  • "remained impressed by the consistent quality" > "opined that the album has consistent quality"
    • I don't want to get too wordy here. I'll just remove "consistent", since that was the only problematic element in stating what she "remained impressed by" as fact. isento (talk) 02:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy and influence

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Track listing

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Personnel

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Charts

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  • Seems fine

Certifications

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See also

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  • Fine

References

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  • Cite SOHH as |website= or |work= on ref 3
  • Use Cite AV media notes rather than Cite web for ref 5, since it seems the intent is to cite the liner notes
  • Ref 10 is |url-access=limited and not paid, since the NYT does give you some free articles
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  • Fine

Overall

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  •  On hold for now; I may not be able to respond in the following hours though. Wetrorave (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I'll get thru the rest later though. isento (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • You seem to have addressed all the issues. The ones you didn't seem fine, since there is a stated reason for not doing each one of them.[c] I'm still not entirely happy with the article not having a combination of the artist's name with the release date separated only by a comma, like other articles do, but 'brilliant' prose is not a requirement of GA so it's not necessary.

In conclusion, this article is good to go: ✓ Pass. Wetrorave (talk) 12:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ This would also reduce mentions of "songwriter-producer", a term that is mentioned at "prominent songwriter-producer"
  2. ^ Except if you have a time machine, as I do
  3. ^ Although relatively advanced, I'm not a native English speaker, which probably makes you more qualified to work on the prose than I do. I still think I'm doing reasonably well on the English Wikipedia with my work on the album portraying the stages of dementia but it's still imperfect.
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