Talk:Louis-Daniel Beauperthuy

Correct name and birth year

His name was specifically written 'Louis-Daniel Beauperthuy' as he recorded himself, and in his original biographies. His birth year is also written as 1807, and according to another source, 1803. But 1808 is from his own account, supported by his biography by Agramonte. Hence they should not be changed. Chhandama (talk) 09:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

@Chhandama: Do you have a claim regarding the year 1808 as being from his own account? I haven't access to the full biography by Agramonte. Thanks, Korg (talk) 12:41, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I do, and it is for that reason I made the claim. Why don't you just spend a little more time to check the citations I have incorporated, and click on the web link to Reference 1 (the sample page shows my claim) and Further Reading, which is freely accessible. Chhandama (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I did take the time to check the references given, but I couldn't find the assertion supporting that "1808 is from his own account". In the biography by Agramonte, only the first page is accessible, and I thought more information could be found in the two other pages. All I read is a citation of his date of birth, but not the fact that he made this claim himself (maybe I misunderstand the term "from his own account", after all).

I did also check the second link in the "Further reading" section. His date of birth is written in the introduction p. 7, but I see no evidence that it was reported by him in the first place. Interestingly enough, there is a note at the beginning of the book which is unfolded here, with the following information: "Died September, 1871 / Aged 64 years."

In the other book by Lemoine & Suárez, there are only citations of the year 1807: [1], [2].

Last but not least, I've seen his day of birth reported as "26 August", and his place of birth as Sainte-Rose, Guadeloupe, not Basse-Terre (see here for example). Sainte-Rose is situated on the Basse-Terre Island, so maybe the article just needs to be corrected. Korg (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Your last two points are exactly why I said that 25 August 1808 maybe best accepted, because it is supported by his own account, and by "his own account", I mean here a scholarly catalogue of his scientific accounts, where I presume information about him should be reliable. Perhaps, my intention is not clear, and should not be read as "his autobiography" or "written by him". As to Basse-Terre, I have no idea on the geographical distinction, but let's stick to the original research by Agramonte as the principal source, which should be more trustworthy than an editorial (that you mentioned). Editorials, as we know, are not meant to be scholarly works. Chhandama (talk) 03:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

But there are many other sources that should be taken into account, like the ones listed here. For Basse-Terre, it is unclear (to me) whether Agramonte is referring to the city of Basse-Terre or the island of Basse-Terre. If he meant the former, then he is the only one (as far as I know) that cites this city instead of Sainte-Rose.

For these reasons, I think that the other date and place of birth should also be mentioned in the article. Korg (talk) 12:54, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

I cannot really argue with those, having good supporting sources. But as to reference on Basse-Terre, Casey Wood in 1922 wrote that "Beauperthuy was born in Basse Terre" (in Annals of Medical History); but strangely he could not decide whether whether he was born in 1802, 1803 or 1808. Here is another source. Anyway, feel free to discuss the anomaly in the article, you are perfectly qualified for it. Chhandama (talk) 13:23, 26 October 2016 (UTC)