Talk:Loser like Me (song)

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 05:50, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Loser Like Me → Loser like Me – "Like" is a preposition. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 11:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Spelled with a capital L in references. Apteva (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music) (prepositions less than 5 letters should not be capitalized)- even though capitalizing all namespaces would be a better policy and could be enforced technically without recourse to RMs. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:05, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The section Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music)#Capitalization needs to be deleted. It is not our job to make up names, but it is our job to accurately report names. We do not decide titles, we report titles. However, the rule for creating a title is not to not capitalize prepositions shorter than five letters, it is to not capitalize unimportant words such as short prepositions. Sometimes five letter prepositions are unimportant, and not capitalized, sometimes two letter prepositions are important, and are capitalized. Apteva (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Response. You are missing the point, the article namespace belongs to WP, whereas the stylisation belongs to the song. We are not "making up names." If you want to change the guidelines on capitalization you should take the argument there, if you do, let me know, more than happy to see loads of it deleted. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Sod the references. This is purely a style matter, where people often disagree what should or shouldn't bear capitals. Although it isn't often argued that 'like' should be downcased as a preposition, it clearly falls within the scope of that rule. Whether Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music)#Capitalization needs to be deleted is not a matter to be discussed at this RM. It's what the policy says, and I think that ought to be enough. -- Ohconfucius ^{ping / poke} 06:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a policy discussion in progress at the Manual of Style which affects this page, suggesting that the capitalization of "like" should be altered. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — $Llywelyn II$ 13:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Page Moved. Moved song to Loser like Me (song) and episode to Loser like Me (Glee episode). (non-admin closure) Vpab15 (talk) 17:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– The episode has more pageviews than the song. As "Loser like Me (Glee)" is ambiguous, it should point out to the disambiguation page that should result.

Alternatively:

Loser Like Me (Glee) → Loser like Me
Loser like Me → Loser like Me (song)

If the episode is the primary topic, the titles should be reversed.

Pageviews since 2015 [1] (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:15, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose renaming the Glee episode, but Support rename of song. Episode article should remain as is per MOS:TV which states: "If an article already exists with the name of an episode title or character, then the title of the article should contain the name of the episode or character followed by (SERIES NAME): Episode/Character name (SERIES NAME) (e.g. "Through the Looking Glass" (Lost) or Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer).” - SanAnMan (talk) 23:52, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support original proposal. To the above editor, it's always best to look at the actual source, which in this case is WP:NCTV. The guideline has this additional piece of text which is relevant here: Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show,[c] disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element). "Loser Like Me" is both a song from the show and an episode title from the show, meaning that the disambiguation "Glee" is ambiguous here. This is exactly a situation which the guideline refers to. --Gonnym (talk) 23:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support (first proposal) both as per Gonnym. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support both the proposed moves, i.e: the first proposal. TheRedDomitor (talk) 13:47, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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