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A fact from Loretta Marron appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 October 2015 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Loretta Marron became known as "the Jelly Bean Lady" after using jelly beans to test bogus health products?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2015/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Loretta Marron.

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Is Loretta Marron Australian?

Is Loretta Marron Australian? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me[reply]

@Ottawahitech: Good question, and I don't recall seeing it in any of the sources. She moved to Australia about age eight in 1959, where she has lived since, but whether she is a citizon or not isn't stated. At first I hoped her OAM might clarify this, but Order of Australia says it can be awarded "to recognise Australian citizens and other persons".--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Gronk Oz: I don’t know how things work in Australia, but in countries I am familiar with, individuals who move to the country in their youth and continue to live and work there, in 99.9% of cases become citizens at some point. At the same time, they normally also retain the citizenship of the country of their birth.

Which reminds me, I was reverted a couple of years ago by an Australian editor (I think) who insisted that people who were born in the United States and lived in Australia were no longer American citizens (wrong, unfortunately, for many of them who are now subject to FATCA regulations)Ottawahitech (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me[reply]

I think as long as the article clearly states what the claim is, it should be okay. MOS:BLPLEAD says: "In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident" So it does not mandate which of these is to be used. The Infobox template supports all of nationality, citizenship, and residence. So if we can't find a reliable source for citizenship then it might be best just to list residence.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's not our place to get super-obsessive over the difference between a resident alien, a naturalized citizen or whatever. For one thing, that information may not be publicly available. The subject clearly has been a resident of Australia for many years, is associated with several major Australian organizations, and so on. From the average reader's perspective, it is correct to call her Australian because Australia is the country with which she is associated. If someone can come up with a reliable source that says otherwise, then we can certainly change it then, but these continual scrubbings of "Australian" from the article by one editor need to stop until that happens. --Krelnik (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The aforementioned editor who is not participating here went over to the BLPN and created this discussion, FYI. --Krelnik (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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