Talk:Lords of Chaos and Order

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Amethyst killed?

But Amethyst wasn't already "dead" after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, with her conciousness merged with the Child one in the core of Gemworld? So technically speaking in her there was nothing to kill... she "lives" on as the Embodiement of Gemworld. DrTofu83 16:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shazam as a Lord of Order

The reference given for Shazam's inclusion on the list of Lords of Order is a little odd.

In the story, Nabu refers to Shazam as on of "the Great Lords". Has this term ever been used to describe the collective Lords of Order and/or Chaos? Or are we making an assumption to its meaning? — J Greb 15:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? There is absolutely no doubt Shazam is one of the Lords of Order. He is said to be such throughout the entire Day of Vengeance series. Furthermore, I'm not sure what reference you're talking about, because the current reference given is Infinite Crisis Special: Day of Vengeance (March 2006). In that comic, Nabu states directly to Madame Xanadu and Zatanna that "Spectre killed Shazam--one of the Lords of Order." It's on the third panel of the third non-advertisement page. —Lowellian (reply) 12:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Appearance?

The Lords of chaos and Order are mentioned nowhere in The Golden Age Doctor Fate Archives, and the only reference to Nabu is in the origin story in issue #67. Anything else is defined via retcon, because it is not in the original material. When was the concept of the Lords of Chaos and Order first established? 1st Issue Special #9, perhaps? --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plesa Gabriel

Cel mai mare si tare cameraman!! :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vurper (talk • contribs) 21:13, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Presence as a lord of chaos

Under "fictional group history, modern age" it is stated that the presence is a lord of chaos. I believe this is not true and there's no reference for it. I'm hesitant to just change it in case somewhere in publishing it was ever implied he is a lord of chaos. Anyone know more about this? 87.212.248.226 (talk) 10:54, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]