Talk:Loose (Nelly Furtado album)/Archive 1

SALES

why is is there 1st week missing in her sales on mediatraffic? u do count that u know!

Chart trajectory.

OK, ericorbit deleted the trajectory. ---XJ--- 10:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Where's the week by week detailed chart info? It's dissappointing. Whoever took it out? I can't even see the album's progress worldwide. The amount of valuable information that could have been here is gone because someone took it out. Seriously, discuss beforehand. Mad Cactuar 09:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree! Someone needs to put back the chart trajectory.........shouldn't have been taken out in the first placeÔ 19:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

There was a discussion (now archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Tables for charts/Archive) last year in which consensus arose that chart trajectories shouldn't be included in song and album articles. Now, this discussion was a while ago, but the reasoning behind it still stands. I myself believe the presence of week-by-week chart trajectories contradicts the "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" policy; we're supposed to provide general summaries, not fansite-like detail. Much of these statistics and numbers will mean nothing to the casual reader, and too much information is a great way of hiding what's actually relevant. Also, such trajectories can be difficult to verify. Extraordinary Machine 15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

All right, good point. But where else can we find complete chart trajectories other than wikipedia? Not even fansites put them up. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. Mad Cactuar 04:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I supposed a page for this album could be set up at http://www.wikimusicguide.com/ and the chart trajectories added there. Extraordinary Machine 16:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It doesnt contradict it ("Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information") at all. The chart trajectory's are extremely helpful and relevant to the page, and if not wikipedia, were else can the information be found! I have now added the trajectory. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bojach (talk • contribs) 12:59, 7 November 2006.

WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information states "That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia"; this principle applies here. I'm concerned about articles like this one turning into all-exclusive compendiums of statistics and numbers that say a lot to the reader without actually telling them anything. Such trajectories can be difficult to verify, as you yourself demonstrated by providing the Billboard.com page for Christina Aguilera's album Back to Basics as a reference when reinserting the trajectory in this article. There are websites other than Wikipedia, including open source projects such as WikiMusicGuide (to which I linked above), where this type of information can be found or where people there would be happy to house it. But surely a table depicting the week-by-week chart movement of an album is hardly worth including in a general purpose encyclopedia. There's quite a bit of info on sales and chart positions already in the article, which clearly established the album's level of commercial success without the trajectory. Extraordinary Machine 14:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Extraordinary Machine, Wikimusicguide barely has anything about music, wikipedia has tons more. The what is the website to get weekly charts? If u need to subscribe for weekly charts, not everyone who wants to see the weekly charts will see them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lololove (talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 November 2006.

There are websites and forums, such as those at ukmix.org, where weekly charts and sales are posted. Wikipedia is not a free access point for information unavailable to people who don't pay for subscription services. Extraordinary Machine 18:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

WHO DELETED THE CHART TRAJECTORY? Lololove 00:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Lololove

Do it claimed to be based on uncredited material

Why this was deleted? It is currently claimed by various sources [2], [3], [4] that part of the song "Do It" is based on uncredited material, namely Finnish demoscene musician Janne "Tempest/Damage" Suni's song entitled "Acid Jazzed Evening", winner of the Assembly 2000 oldskool music competition. What's the reason for deletion?

It's still there from where I'm watching. ("Production" section, last paragraph.) // Gargaj 18:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Showtime Release?

There was an entry about Showtime being released in the US and Canada/Australia before All Good Things. Does anyone know what's happening there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.29.23.141 (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC). Well i heard that Glow will be released as the 5th single this fall does anybody know if this true

Edit war

I really do wish 70.81.215.166 (talk · contribs) would cite his/her sources for the reverts (s)he keeps performing on the "Charts" section, because some of her edits seem completely inaccurate; for example, the album is certified platinum in Germany, not double platinum. Removing {{cn}} tags without replacing them with adequate citations is also frowned on. Extraordinary Machine 12:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag - Singles section - OVERKILL

This is just way too much. Not only should these images not appear anywhere but on the articles for the singles, but they are way too huge and all of the information shown here should already be in the individual articles for the singles. All of this is absolutely not needed here - it looks like a fansite. - eo 18:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. There are separate articles on the singles for a reason: to stop detail like this swamping the album page. Extraordinary Machine 21:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

US Rerelease?

Where's the source?

Haven't seen any information regarding the rerealese bonus tracks:

"Try" [Spanish] and "All Good Things (Come To An End)" [Spanish], as far as I know, the tracks just leaked some days ago.

Its a summer limited edition release OK?? ---XJ--- 10:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Loose cover.jpg

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In God's Hands

I'm just asking a question, but, why is In God's Hands a single in Australia? it says in it that:

1. "..Do It"
2. "In God's Hands [video in AU].."

I just want to know, did the video appear in Australia because I really like the song and I want to know if its going to be a single here? Explode24 18:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC) (Australian time)

I'm not sure, given that the user who added that didn't provide a source. Extraordinary Machine 22:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes it came on rage a few weeks ago, the playlist can be viewed here [1] from 5:30am to 6:00am. I am not sure if it is going to be released as a single because rage played "Alfie" by Lily Allen but it never became a single. Lillygirl 12:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Added information on style, themes and criticism

I thought the article didn't have enough information on the style and themes of the album, as well as the criticism directed towards Furtado's accompanying new image — particularly in relation to how much material was devoted to chart, sales and singles information — so I I've expanded it. I know some of it may need reworking or removing, and there's significant/relevant information that hasn't yet been added, but it's a start. Extraordinary Machine 22:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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Singles (Australia)

With the singles for Australia I haven't heard neither "Do It" nor "In God's Hands" down here in Australia on the radio. I think "All Good Things (Come To An End)" is the final single for Australia. Explode24 11:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC) (Australian time)

Neither have I. I have not heard "Do It" on the radio neither "In God's Hands". I deleted it from the singles thingy BatterBean 20:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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Just a Query

Just in query, umm, i'll do a poll. WHO REACKONS NELLY SHOULD STOP MAKING SINGLES!! she nearly release the whole album! All she needs to do is release 4 more tracks and shes done! Man she needs to stop at single number 8. Anyway. If your interest comment below! BatterBean 22:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

biggest selling female

Why did User:Extraordinary Machine remove that Nelly Furtao is 2006-2007's biggest selling female!!! his reason is "the article (which is a press release not originating from forbes) doesn't say loose made her the bestselling artist" who says that the articale doesnt say that she is the biggest selling female artist? look carfully! the articale says that nelly is the biggest selling female artist and also her Loose the Concert said that in its cover!!!!! http://www.forbes.com/prnewswire/feeds/prnewswire/2007/11/21/prnewswire200711211809PR_NEWS_USPR_____LAW092.html And this is the part from the articale:

Recorded and filmed on her 2007 Get Loose World Tour, the DVD features 17 songs from her set list (including a cover of Gnarls Barcley's "Crazy" previously not released in the U.S.), plus 30 minutes of documentary footage. The CD version offers live recordings of 11 songs.

Furtado is 2006-2007's biggest selling female recording artist worldwide. Her third album, Loose, has been certified gold or platinum in 31 countries with global sales surpassing seven million to date. Loose was released June 20, 2006, debuting at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 chart. The album also earned the #1 slot twice on the Billboard European Top 100 chart.

so where is the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!! i will write that again! Raivena (talk) 10:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Loose Delux Edition?

Is this going to happen or what? Yellowstone County Girl (talk) 03:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't think so, theres no websites nor source stating that there will be a deluxe edition. The User/Person who submitted that there will be a deluxe edtion did not put the source in. So it might just be a fake. Until there is source, that means its real. BatterBean 15:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

10 Singles

On her backstage of her tour (DVD), i have it at home and im watching it and she said that her tour is a mainly a single tour and then she states this: "...its really like a hit shot, like a singles show. I really focus on the album. Espesially "Loose" the new album. I'm doing like about 10 singles from my new album so im focussed on my new album..." So this means that Furtado is releasing 10 singles from her new album. So another two singles. BatterBean 17:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Crowd Control

Will this single EVER be released? Yellowstone County Girl (talk) 05:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

To Be a featured article

I think this article could be featured article but it needs help in adding sources or deleat some senteces which need, so help in that! 86.60.107.222 (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism allegations II (Wait For You)

The following sentence was deleted from the article (under Plagiarism allegations):

In early 2008 the rumours of plagiarism revived when a video hosted on YouTube compared the track Wait For You with a song of Turkish folk singer (ashik) Muhlis Akarsu. [2]

What's wrong with it?

A YouTube video is not a reliable source, and there is no reliable published article about Wait For You plagiarism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raivena (talk • contribs) 15:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge-discussion-Singles

There is a paragraph for each single release from the album. This information should be removed from the album page and incorporated into the specific page for each single. That's part of the reason these pages exist. --Wolfer68 (talk) 07:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dancers on Tour

Could someone name them for me? --79.175.69.190 (talk) 21:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Still needs work for the GA...

Well, during the FA candidacy I thought of all that was needed for the article to be improved. But because it's too much work, and my laziness/lack of motivation doesn't help, I never started. Anyway, let's list what I recommend.

• Merge " Bonus tracks" into "Track listing"
  • And "Charts" and "Certifications" into a single section.
• Fix badly-formatted refs...
• ...and dead refs
• Turn the ==Singles== into a section on all the album songs (it was done before), since the ===Singles=== in Promotion fits perfectly.
• Expand lead, at least including info on Furtado's change of music.

igordebraga ≠ 17:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

GA review

I have gone through the article and done some copyediting. Overall, the article is quite good, but I still have some concerns that should be addressed before the article is promoted:

1. The lead is too short and does not summarize the key points of the article.

   DONE

2. In the second paragraph of the "Style" section": "She attributed the youthful sound of the album to the presence of her two-year old daughter." - This is not supported by the reference.

   removed, thats not exactly how she said it at all, this is clearly just an interpretation

3. Later in that section: "According to her, the music by such bands is "very loud and has a garage theme" to it, some of which she felt she captured on the album, with which she wanted to attack the listener and have it sound "like being tackled in football." is a long and awkward sentence. It would work better if it was split into two sentences.

   removed second section, really doesnt add anything

4. Also in that section, "the fancy mixer at the end." is a direct quotation and needs a citation immediately after the quotation.

   DONE

5. The final paragraph in the "Style" section contains a redundancy. It is claimed that the "off-the-cuff production" is one of the reasons for the album's title. The next sentence gives examples of this production and repeats the claim that this is one of the reasons for the album's title.

   DONE

6. Near the end of that section: "The album is also called Loose because it is "the opposite of calculated" and came naturally to Furtado and Timbaland; she called him her "distant musical cousin because he was always pushing boundaries and always carving out his own path", which she believed she was doing with Loose." contains direct quotations, so a citation is needed immediately after the sentence.

   DONE

7. In the first sentence of the third paragraph in the "Themes" section, it would be good to have a better word to replace "downbeat".

   DONE

8. More references are needed in the first paragraph of the "Production history" section.

   DONE

9. In the second paragraph, it would be nice to find a way to rewrite the beginning without parentheses. This is my personal preference, though, and it won't hold the article back from being promoted either way.

   LEAVE AS IS

10. At the end of the second paragraph, "from scratch" is a little colloquial/jargon. It would be better to rephrase this.

    DONE

11. In the second paragraph of the "Furtado's image" section, a better word could be used in place of "labelhead".

    DONE

12. The first sentence of the third paragraph in the "Furtado's image" section is too long and should be split up.

    DONE

13. Later in that paragraph, "it wrote that it" is poorly phrased.

    DONE

14. In the same paragraph, the sentence that begins with The Village Voice would be better if it was split up.

    DONE

15. In the same paragraph, "Furtado's experimentation with different genres since her first album" is awkward and should be rephrased.

    DONE

16. From the "Plagiarism allegations" section, "ringtone" needs an explanation or wikilink.

    DONE

17. The "Plagiarism allegations" section needs some work. Is a source available for Timbaland's response? Did Furtado respond at all? Did anything come of the allegations?

    DONE - cant find out how it all ended though

18. From the "Critical reception" section, the article gives the impression that all reviews were positive. I'm assuming that not everyone loved it, so is there anything to add that could balance this section? It would also be nice to see a review from a source that casual readers might be familiar with (I, for one, have no idea who Metacritic and musicOMH are). Does Rolling Stone or some other established and well-known magazine have a review of the album?

    DONE - the rolling stone review was very small, infact most reviews are very small, they hardly say anything at all

19. From the same section, the second paragraph needs to be sourced.

    DONE

20. From the "Promotion and chart performance" section, "top of the albums" seems like awkward phrasing.

    DONE

21. The citation in the first paragraph of that section doesn't prove that it was a "slow sales week". This should be cited or removed (I personally don't think it adds to the article).

    DONE - removed

22. The final sentence of the first paragraph of that section states: "It has stayed in the top twenty for the fifty-seven weeks it has been on the chart." This is problematic because it is written in the present tense, and the album is no longer on the chart. This sentence should be updated.

    DONE

23. In the second paragraph of that section, "As of July 2007" makes the information out-of-date. Can an update be found?

    couldnt even find a claim that reaches 900,000 copies, looks like sales stalled at that point

24. In the second paragraph of the "Promotion and chart performance" section, the repetition of "it" makes the prose choppy. Switching it up with "the album", "Loose", etc. occasionally would help.

    DONE

25. Furtado's statement in the middle of the third paragraph of that section seems out of place. Can it be moved so that it's not in the middle of a bunch of statistics?

    DONE - removed, it shouldnt be there anyway

26. Is a more recent figure than the November 2007 report available? If not, or if the number hasn't changed significantly, don't worry about it.

    - again sales seem to have stalled, ive seen updated claims but they ae highly inflated and not from good sources

27. The first three paragraphs in the "Singles" section are completely unreferenced.

    - DONE

28. The quotations from Furtado in the "Performances and touring" section need to be sourced.

    DONE

29. In the "Certifications" section, Canada and United World Chart should have citations.

    DONE

30. In the "References" section, the references need consistent formatting. All internet sources also need to have at least a title, publisher, url, and accessdate. If authors' names and dates for the information are available, they should also be included. I strongly recommend using a {{cite web}} template.

I am going to place this nomination on hold for one week. If good progress is being made, the hold can be extended. Please ask if you have any questions about this review. As you address these concerns, please cross them out (like this) or place a  Done check so that I can see what has been fixed. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

An odd thing, well kinda, it says that the album sold 8 million copies at least 3 times in the article, maybe more, its in the lead, commerical reception and sales chart that i can see. Its not a biggy but its just something i noticed. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 16:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

ive never been involved with this article but i saw your review and i would like to take care of it. Unfortunately there are only a few days left on hold and no progress has been made. Could you by any chance extend the onhold clock so that i can complete it. With everything else i have to do ill need about 10 days. Please reply at my talk page. cheers.Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 18:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, all thats left is the singles section, lead and reference formatting. Before i go any further can we get a consensus on the singles section, i believe there is way to much info on it, that section needs significant trimming in my opinion. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 23:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with the singles section, but I'm not familiar with the specific guidelines of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums. Perhaps asking on the project talk page is the best idea. GaryColemanFan (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, over at the Thriller album, which is about to go back up for FA the commercial aspect of the singles is not included, infact the little i added was frowned upon so i removed. Mind you theres always two sides to a story and people seem to give you conflicting advise all the time. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 01:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and just sourced it all, never mind about the length of the singles section. I just have to format sources now.Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 02:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment: This article is quite good, however, there are still some stuffs to take care of: the formatting of the references are not consistent; magazines, newspapers should go in italics (i fixed one); needs clean-up like that one in the single releases, certifications, etc (certifications from Canada, the US and the UK, i think, is much more important that those and should be incorporated in the prose). Good luck. --Efe (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, slowely but surely ill get through the formatting. cheers Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 14:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, i think its all done, nothing major missed out as far as i see, Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 00:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the fixes have greatly improved the article. It's very close, but I have a few remaining concerns:

1. The end of the first paragraph in the "Production history" section needs a reference.

   - DONE

2. There is no reference given for the Rolling Stone article in the "Critical reception" section.

   - DONE

3. The end of the first paragraph in the "Singles" section needs a source.

   - It is from what i can see, did you mean the end of the second paragraph? Just to clarify?

4. A year should be added to "February 16" at the beginning of the "Performances and touring" section. The sentence should also be written in the past tense, as it is out of date (looking ahead to dates to be scheduled for a tour that took place last year).

   - DONE

5. Reference 48 should have more information.

   - I took a look at the source, i cant see any other details on it that ive missed? It gives an issue date of 2007, thats about it. ?

Thanks for your hard work on this article. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it seems as though I'm too tired to be editing right now. Yes, I meant the second paragraph of the "Singles" section. Is Reference 49 (which used to be 49 when I mentioned it above) an online source? Do you have access to the original source? From the information provided, I can't tell if it's online (in which case it should have a url) or a print source (in which case it should have a page number). GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure ill get to it. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 13:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

FINISHED. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 14:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for your work on this article. I'm definitely happier with passing an article than failing it due to no response to the GA review. With that said, I am satisfied that it meets the GA criteria, and I have promoted the article. GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanx, this is so great, thanx to Kodster aswell for chipping in. Thanx for reviewing the article with such dedication. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 15:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "aCharts" :
  • [http://acharts.us/song/11440 "Nelly Furtado - Say It Right"]. aCharts.us. Retrieved on 2007-[[May 6|05-06]].
  • [http://acharts.us/album/14462 "Nelly Furtado - Loose"]. aCharts.us.

DumZiBoT (talk) 20:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)