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Single or Promotional Single?

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Isn’t this song technically a promotional single? Yes it was released before the album dropped, but there is no set date for it to be sent to radio which usually the defining feature that determines a single from a promotional single. Wikipedia1105 (talk) 21:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This Billboard article said "The double release -- one a traditional single that was teased on social media since last week, the other a surprise release that caught the pop world off-guard". It basically states that LYTLM is a single and LAHN isn't. It's also a B-side and is frequently called a "track" instead of a "single". I'd say it's a promo single. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is a single. There are reliable sources calling it a single[1] [2] [3] A source referring to a song as a "track" when other sources have called it a single doesn't make it a promotional single. CountyCountry (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, an article might have referred to it as a single, but it has no plan to be sent to radio which is usually the defining feature of a single. Wikipedia1105 (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Radio release isn't the only thing that can make a song a single. There are several reliable sources (not just one) that have called this a single. In some cases, radio release is needed to make a song a single, but this isn't the case. CountyCountry (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@79.109.44.150:, radio release doesn't make a song a single. Some cases it does, but this is not the case. The Billboard article you gave did not call this a single. This does not make it a promo single when there are reliable sources calling it a single. LaMotte didn't say this isn't a single. Nothing was confirmed that this isn't a single. CountyCountry (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Selena has literally done radio interviews where she made it explicitly clear that Lose You To Love Me is “the single” and that Look At Her Now is merely a “gift for the fans”. This is definitely not the second single and is just a promotional single and both Interscope’s marketing director (through a tweet) and Selena Gomez herself (through multiple interviews) have made this clear. Razeen25 (talk) 08:55, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Razeen25:Do you have a source that said Selena Gomez stated that it's just a gift for the fans? And the tweets?CountyCountry (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an interview where Selena confirms there’s only been one single so far (Lose You To Love Me): [4] Razeen25 (talk) 05:51, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No where in the clip did it prove your claim. CountyCountry (talk) 06:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She said they're preparing the second official single, she would have said "third" if Look At Her Now was also a single. Here is a radio interview where Selena talked about how LYTLM is "the single" but how she wanted to release Look At Her Now immediately after as a gift for the fans. She says this around 1:07-1:27 [5]. Razeen25 (talk) 11:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Selena herself stated that Look At Her Now is not a second single. If you go on YouTube and type up her Interview "Selena Gomez Chats to Jordan Lee About Her New Album" which is 7:37 minutes long and uploaded by "Hits Radio", at 2:28, she directly states that Look At Her Now is NOT the second single. Please, whoever keeps changing Look At Her Now as a second single needs to stop changing it. Not only is there not a primary source as Selena nor Interscope have ever called or promoted Look At Her Now a second single, but the Billboard article that was used as the source during a time period did not directly state that Look At Her Now was the second single. If you need an article source, I probably don't have one, but I do have that video and that video is a primary source from Selena herself. But if you still decide to not change it now, when she does drop her second single and if she calls it that, I hope you can change Look At Her Now to being a promotional single. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deast7 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Deast7: Reliable sources do not have to call it which "number" single it is. As long as they call it a single, it is a single. Also in response to a portion of your response that was deleted, Rolling Stones and Pitchfork are considered reliable sources, and they are used throughout many music articles on Wikipedia. In regards to the video you mentioned above, Gomez did explicitly say that this isn't a single. This is very compelling evidence because those words came straight from the artist. I'll have to change my mind about this and support listing this as a promotional single. CountyCountry (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For the editor(/s) that keeps changing" Look at Her Now" as a second single, we do NOT need a general consensus when it's a given FACT from the singer herself said that "Look at Her Now" is NOT the second single. It makes absolutely no sense we're treated this as if it's a group effort to form a general consensus when in fact it has been directly confirmed from the actual singer of the song that it is not the second single. Everyone has been changing it to being a promotional single and no one has been disagreeing nor has had evidence against it aside from 1-2 editors. All you have are secondary sources to support the second single claim but if you want, I can play that too.

Why don't we use the same effort to change "The Light Is Coming" from Ariana Grande's fourth album as the second single rather than a promotional single? Since we seem to use Billboard as a credible source (even though it never called "Look At Her Now" a single), this billboard post (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8460194/ariana-grande-the-light-is-coming-release-date-sweetener-preorder) claimed that "The Light Is Coming" was the second single off of Sweetener. But that's not all. Pitchfork which we want to consider a credible source also stated that The Light is Coming is a single here (https://pitchfork.com/news/ariana-grande-taps-nicki-minaj-for-new-song-the-light-is-coming-listen/) and here ( https://pitchfork.com/news/listen-to-ariana-grandes-new-album-sweetener/).

What about "Imagine" by Ariana Grande from her fifth album also? We consider that a promotional single but Rolling Stone called it a second single here (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ariana-grande-imagine-new-song-hear-769145/). Billboard called it a single here (https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8489864/ariana-grande-countdown-next-single-imagine). Pitchfork called it a second single here (https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/5-takeaways-from-ariana-grandes-new-album-thank-u-next/) and you can find them calling it a single in many of their other articles. All three are claiming it's a single/second single yet we consider it a promotional single on Wikipedia.

So do you want to keep playing this game? Stop being selective with what qualifies as a promotional single and second single with these sources if it's not fair-game for all the artists on here and realize that we can't use Billboard, Pitchfork and Rolling Stone all the time as credible sources when they themselves don't always know the truth, and let's STOP ignoring PRIMARY sources like when the singer herself directly stated "So I released Look At Her Now more as - it's not a second single. It was more of like at the end saying 'this isn't the biggest deal anymore'". This is NOT a group consensus. This is a FACT that it is NOT the second single so let's stop dragging this on. Until you can use these three sources without being hypocritical with Wikipedia articles, I'd suggest you refrain from changing this to being the second single again. If you don't care enough to read this, then you should not even be touching the article. We should only use secondary sources when we have no primary sources for these music pages, and yet we clearly have one.

There is no reason we have to be ignorant on this and have to wait for Selena to release her second single and make a statement saying "Buy my second single ______ from my album Rare out now!" before we change "Look at Her Now" to being a promotional single when we can solve this right now as we actually have a primary source from the singer herself. It is not at all hard to understand. You should not be changing this article to the second single again after this point and if you do, it'll just show ignorance and hypocrisy. I won't change it to being a promotional single since someone threatened to ban me if I did any more changes even though I only changed this page once, so someone else has to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deast7 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, consensus IS needed when there is disagreement. See WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS. There is not a formal consensus here. If you care enough to write five whole paragraphs about it, then you can get a vote or organise a way to get consensus. Expend your energy in a useful way. I don't require pings to this discussion. Thanks. Ss112 10:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hypocrisy... GetawayDress (talk) 11:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@GetawayDress: I don't think you know the meaning of hypocrisy, and I wouldn't be criticising anybody for anything with your edit history. Ss112 18:49, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wow so aggressive GetawayDress (talk) 18:50, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@GetawayDress: Yeah, no. Please learn how to indent your replies so I don't have to do it for you. Ss112 18:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@GetawayDress: What do you think about this? Do you think this is a single or a promotional single? CountyCountry (talk) 05:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion it's a promotional single. Selena Gomez said herself that she is preparing for the second single from the album in her Hits Radio interview. It was never confirmed as the second single. GetawayDress (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But Wikipedia is based on sources that call Look At Her Now the second single. So for me Look at her now should stay as the second single (based on sources). GetawayDress (talk) 13:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that this is still listed as an official single despite Selena Gomez HERSELF saying in MULTIPLE interviews that it is “NOT” a single and that LYTLM is “the [official] single” and that they are preparing the “SECOND” single after LYTLM is actually crazy. Y’all believe articles written by journalists as credible sources over Selena Gomez herself. And those journalists called it a “single” because it IS a promotional single but y’all are still harping over it to be the sole evidence for the song being an ‘official single’ smh Razeen25 (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Look at Her Now is a promotional single. Selena has said multiple times that Lose You to Love Me is the only official single thus far, that Look at Her Now was not a single. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 07:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is: nobody is denying that it is not a single, it’s just not an official, radio one. LAHN is a PROMOTIONAL single. Acr970901 (talk) 14:58, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Billboard names Look at Her Now as a "promo single" in his note "Every song ranked in Selena Gomez's 'Rare'". User:damntcsarg 23:40, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's one source. You don't have consensus to be changing it. I strongly suspect something fishy is going on on this talk page. Sole-purpose accounts and accounts that haven't edited in years are suddenly coming out of nowhere to chime in on the talk page. It's very suspicious. Ss112 11:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, but even the SAME ARTIST confirmed that it is a promotional single. what else is necessary?
User:damntcsarg 11:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple reliable sources, and consensus based on discussion of the previously mentioned and requested sources. You're welcome. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe multiple acccounts that haven't edited in years are chiming in because we see how ridiculous it is that this still hasn't changed even though it's clearly a promotional single, as stated by the artist herself. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 18:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If the artist that made the song herself has confirmed that it isn't a single then it isn't something to debate over. I don't understand this logic. Can't we just take her word for it? Froyo Fox126 (talk) 19:03, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this debate still going on? I will give you guys some food for thought. So on one hand we have the Billboard, RS and Pitchfork clamining it is a single and a brand new from Bilboard. Sure we base information on sources, but Billboard, Rolling Stone and Pitchfork or any other are not always correct. As far as I'm concerned, if a label or artist say "X" track is not a single then it is not a single, just add the sources of those claims (made by Gomez and the promotional manager or whoever he is) and it is not a single, plain and simple. I mean the billboard new article calling it "a promo single" it is more than good evidence. You have Selena, management on the label and an outside source...what else is needed? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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