Talk:Longeing

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This article is seriously lacking in that both reading the lead (first paragraph) and scanning the article gives no obvious indication of what longeing actually is. Dictionary.com says longeing is "to train or exercise (a horse) by use of a longe.". Something like this should be placed in the lead (by someone with more knowledge than me, I still do not really know what it is). guiltyspark 17:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough that the article needs a better intro and no argument there. But if you try to improve it, at least don't put an edit in the middle of a footnote, please. Montanabw^(talk) 01:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the improvement. References in the middle of sentences are fine (WP:REF#Footnotes_come_after_punctuation), but I'm also happy with it where it is now :) guiltyspark 12:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem was that one edit was INSIDE the footnote, and footnotes follow, not precede, punctuation. Just formatting whines. Best to put footnote at end of sentence if encompasses the whole sentence, looks much better. Usually mid sentence footnotes are only used if different points need different footnoting within the same sentence or if only part of the sentence is supported by footnote. Montanabw^(talk) 17:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A horse properly equipped -- Photo

As the photographer and part owner of the horse [Cali], I should probably point out that in the photo, the horse had on a bridle rather then a longeing caveson. Also the use of a bridle rather then a longeing caveson is more common in vaulting (at least in the USA), though both are permitted under AVA and USEF rules. TSayles —Preceding unsigned comment added by TSayles (talk • contribs) 03:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, the photo at this resolution is a little unclear, if you want to fix the caption, go for it. Thank you for making these images public so they can be used. Montanabw^(talk) 18:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that longe was derived from the French language, but I think that to state that "lunge" is incorrect is a little misleading as Henry Wynmalen used the term Lungeing in chapter on "Lungeing" on p.47 in "Dressage" and also in "Horse Breeding and Stud Management" first published in 1950. "Encyclopaedia for Horsemen" (1952)uses Lunging(sic), Rein, whip etc. The "Macquarie Dictionary" does not list longeing or it deritives, but includes Lunge, lunging rein and lunging paddock. Cgoodwin 00:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. My version of Wynmalen spells it "longe," as do all the books I have by Podhajsky. Wonder if the editors are changing it with newer editions. It's a weird word, spelled "longe" pronounced "lunge" but certainly when I began to learn about horses as a kid, that particular point was hammered home pretty hard. I can see how language shifts and people get sloppy (think doughnut--donut, through--thru, etc...) and I suppose over time what was wrong can become right, but given how many people say "lounging," too, OMG, it's just one of my pet peeves! (That and people who think that "chaps" when referring to western leggings for cowboys is pronounced with a "ch" like dry lips, when it is actually an "sh" took me locating about 15 etymology sources before I won that one! <grin>) Oh, but I digress. Correct classical term is longe, if it's slid a bit, well, it should stop! (smiles) Montanabw^(talk) 01:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Longe in French has been translated as 'halter" in English ^[1] Longe in Latin has been translated as "far, far off, long, by far, very much" ^[2] I have about 10-12 other horse and other refs that use Lunge, too.Cgoodwin (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sources in the article go on and on about this already. Longe IS a correct form. I don't know about words that are apparent homonyms, such as those examples above, but I can guarantee you that, as noted in the article sources, there are many, many books using the "longe" form in the USA, and respected authors use this spelling. (One of the more noteworthy is Cherry Hill, a respected author who has written multiple books on training and handling horses.) I think that it works to note that there is a US/UK English split that has developed, and I think it has been exhaustively explained in the article text now -- what are there, 16 footnotes just to that section? LOL! Can we let this go? Montanabw^(talk) 02:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ McLeod, WT, Collins Gem French > English, 1976, p.209
^ Kidd, DA, Latin Dictionary, 1957, p.193

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[1] McLeod, WT, Collins Gem French > English, 1976, p.209

[2] Kidd, DA, Latin Dictionary, 1957, p.193

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