Talk:List of urban areas by population/Archive 3

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Important stuff missing

According to this New York and Philadelphia count as one urban area or urban agglomeration List of urban agglomerations by population (United Nations)#2010 Urban Agglomerations this data seems to come from a reliable source [1]. I know the reasoning behind it's lack of inclusion is cos your only using one source. But if important info is missing as this reliable source suggests it should be added and this article should use more than one source but ensure that these are reliable and use consistent criteria for what an urban area is (dont want no metro areas in this article now do we). Eopsid (talk) 14:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

The document you mention is the Proposed Urban Area Criteria for the 2010 Census, which includes a list of potential urban agglomerations. Since then, the U.S. Census Bureau has released the updated document Final Urban Area Criteria for the 2010 Census. From the document, it seems that the expanded defintions of the potential urban agglomerations are basically abandoned. So, New York and Philadelphia will most likely be counted as separate urban areas for the 2010 Census. I think the first official statistics for U.S. urban areas will appear in August this year, so I guess we will know for sure then.--Pjred (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Demographia has released new estimates for 2012

I shall update this article in 24 hours.Aurichalcum (talk) 04:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Need two more days to summarize.Aurichalcum (talk) 06:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Dhaka

just thought I'd mention it: Dhaka pop. density seems a little of with 44000, wiki article on that city sez ca 23000. I don't really feel competent to correct that myself, and it might be a lost cause... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.109.118.78 (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

The area is probably where the error comes from. It says 347km² while the wiki article on the city mentions 360km² for the city proper alone (which holds some 9m people according to most recent numbers). As the note "Narayanganj included" suggests, the numbers here refer to Dhaka District + Narayanganj District. This would also match the 15.4m population given. However the area of Dhaka District is 1,459.56 km² and that of Narayanganj District is 759.57 km² according to the respective Wiki pages, so the combined area would be 2,219.13km² and not 347km². Pandhii (talk) 22:57, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I contacted Demographia and the author explained to me that the population estimate (15.4 million in 2012) was based upon the 2011 figure reported to the United Nations by the government of Bangladesh. The 2011 census data however made it clear that the government's geographical urban area definition is different than theirs (which is only the continuously developed parts of Dhaka and Narayanganj Zilas as well as the southern part of Gazipur Zila). They are going to correct it for the 2013 issue. He also said that for their definition of the urban area the correct population would have been 13.6m according to 2011 census data (14.0m projected for 2012). Mr.Cox was kind enough to also post this to the official Demographia blog, so we could refer to it. Pandhii (talk) 01:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Pittsburgh, PA

I see no entry for the greater Pittsburgh metro area, which should be listed as anywhere between 2,000,000 and 2,500,000. I agree with some of the other posters, this article seems to be a bit "made-up" when referencing certain metro areas - which leads me to believe that I cannot assume any of it is correct. 107.1.149.162 (talk) 20:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)Rob in PA

Please note that this article is about urban areas, not metro areas. According to the Wikipedia article on the Pittsburgh metropolitan area, the urban population of it is 1,753,136 people. The source data by Demographia only includes contiguously urbanized areas with a population bigger than 2m people. Pandhii (talk) 23:32, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Problems with Seoul

I don't understand how the figures are arrived at for Seoul. The area is listed as 2,163 sq km and population as 22,547,000. This population figure seems to have been arrived at by combining the figures for Seoul (10.5 million, although the Wikipedia article currently erroneously lists it as 16 million), Incheon (2.7 million) and Gyeonggi-do (province) at 11.9 million. These entities have combined areas of (605 + 1029 + 10183 respectively) 11,817 sq km. and a total population of 25 million. Can it really be the case that 23 million out of 25 million are in a 'contiguous' area of only 2,163 km? It seems highly unlikely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrjampot (talk • contribs) 08:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Phoenix-Mesa cite note #49

According to the note 49 you are including the Sierra Vista urban area in the Phoenix-Mesa population. Sierra Vista is about 170 miles away! Flying direct you would fly over the Tucson urban area. In my opinion you should not include Sierra Vista in the Phoenix-Mesa Urban area population.

Pablo 159.87.47.237 (talk) 13:25, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Demographia has released new estimates for 2013

Karaj is now included in Tehran. Two other urbans (Isfahan in Iran and Port Harcourt in Nigeria) are added to the list with more than 2 million inhitants.Aurichalcum (talk) 19:12, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Guatemala, Greater San Jose de Costa Rica

Guatemala City, which is contiguous with Mixco and other neighbourhoods has over 3 million, and the central valley of Costa Rica over 2 Million. There are absolutely no gaps between San Jose, Alajuela, Heredia and Cartago, they are all a dense blob. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.48.15.157 (talk) 14:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC) Guatemala City is missing, there are over 4 million people residing in its metropolitan area.

Citations

A serious flaw: The footnotes (^[1], ^[2], etc.) lead to notes defining each urban area, not sources cited. We need to cite real sources.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 08:26, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Munich

Munich, Germany is missing. According to its Web site (http://www.region-muenchen.com/region/region.htm), the metro region has a population of 2.6 million.Wfgiuliano (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Lagos

The official population of the whole of Lagos State as per Census 2006 is in the order of 9 million. no where near the purpoted 12 million mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.4.48 (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Question about the number of different world city lists

See post at [2]. If you have any comments please post there. Eldumpo (talk) 09:45, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Demographia: World Urban Areas

I restart discussion about the source Demographia: World Urban Areas. New discussion is here. Regards. Subtropical-man (talk) 15:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Density

If I'm reading this chart correctly, it indicates that Los Angeles and Houston are more population dense that New York and Chicago. This seems incorrect. Thoughts? Wtroopwept (talk) 20:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The 2007 table only suggests the "latest" estimates; the population density of urban areas in the United States is for the year of 2000.Aurichalcum (talk) 02:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The table 'Urban areas (population over 1,000,000) ranked by 2013 projected population' incorrectly lists the density and land area of certain cities. Just one example: Atlanta,USA, from Wikipedia entry for Atlanta: Urban 1,963 sq mi (5,080 km2); Density 3,188/sq mi (1,230.9/km2) and from the table: Urban area 6,851 km2; Density 700/km2 73.53.36.246 (talk) 01:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Adelaide

Adelaide is missing from this list. It has a population of around 1.3 million. It's not listed on the Urban Areas List, but listed as one of Australia's five cities of over 1 million population. J man708 (talk) 09:05, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Auckland should be double in area

The Auckland page says double the area size of this page. http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Auckland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.207.68 (talk) 04:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Get rid of the Rank column

On the Number of urban areas by country in 2013 list I took the liberty of getting rid of the Rank column. The numbering in the column was off and not up to date. I would also plead to remove the rank column on the list Urban areas (population over 1,000,000) because you can order the list to population, area, density anyway, no need for an extra rank.-Lumber Jack- (talk) 14:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC) -Lumber Jack- (talk) 14:34, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Los Angeles

Your population figures and exclusion of certain areas of the Los Angeles metropolitan area do not match your own definition of an urban area: Demographia defines an urban area (urbanized area agglomeration or urban centre) as a continuously built up land mass of urban development that is within a labor market (i.e. metropolitan area or metropolitan region), without regard for administrative boundaries (i.e. municipality, city or commune). If you have ever lived in or visited Los Angeles you would not exclude, by your own definition, places like Simi Valley and Santa Clarita and even Oxnard from the Los Angleles area. Santa Barbara, Palm Springs and Temecula, probably yes though there are thousands of people who commute to Los Angeles and Orange county by freeway, toll road and Metrolink even from those areas.

Also, do you mean to differentiate between terms such as 'greater Los Angeles' and Los Angeles metropolitan area? Are these the standards you apply to other world cities? Your Wikipedia article 'Greater Los Angeles' describes the area in these terms:

The Greater Los Angeles Area, or the Southland, is a term used for both the urbanized region and Combined Statistical Area in the United States, sprawling over five counties in the southern part of California, namely Los Angeles, Orange, San Bernardino, Riverside, and Ventura counties. Throughout the 20th century, it was one of the fastest-growing regions in the United States, although growth has slowed since 2000. As of the 2010 U.S. Census, the Los Angeles Metropolitan Statistical Area had a population of nearly 13 million residents. Meanwhile, the larger metropolitan region's population at the 2010 census was estimated to be over 17.8 million residents, and a 2011 estimate reported a population of about 18.1 million. Either definition makes it the second largest metropolitan region in the country, behind the New York metropolitan area, as well as one of the largest urban agglomerations in the world.[1][2]

The 'Combined Statistical Area' term is an arbitrary term used by the The United States Office of Management and Budget for considerations not comparable to the determination of 'metropolitan areas' in countries other than the United States, and in fact, by your definition of a metropolitan area 'as a continuously built up land mass of urban development that is within a labor market', the use of the population statistics for the Los Angles 'CSA' is more appropriate to the definition of Los Angeles's metropolitan area than it is for New York since the Los Angeles CSA is actually 'continuously built up' and is more densely populated than the New York CSA which has wide undeveloped spaces between the municipalities that make up the New York CSA. Again quoting from your more accurate 'Greater Los Angeles Area': Los Angeles has a long-standing reputation for sprawl. The area is in fact sprawling, but according to the 2000 census, the "Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana" Urbanized Area (but not counting the portions of the Inland Empire in the Greater Los Angeles Area) had a population density of 7,068 inhabitants per square mile (2,729/km2), covering 1,668 square miles (4,320 km2) of land area, making it the most densely populated Urbanized Area (as defined by the United States Census Bureau) in the United States.[4] For comparison, the "New York–Newark" Urbanized Area as a whole had a population density of 5,309 per square mile (2,050/km2), covering 3,353 square miles (8,684 km2) of land area.

your CSA article gives the following statistics for Los Angeles: Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA Combined Statistical Area 18,351,929 (2014) 17,877,006 (2010) +2.66%

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

Excluding 'sparsely populated desert areas' still gives the Los Angeles area a population of at least 18,000,000. You should avoid the American politics of the CSA which reflects local scrambling for budget allocations and government attention. This does not apply neutral, international standards to the entry for Los Angeles and you should correct your information.

68.225.13.224 (talk) 08:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)rcvonbargen

The Kyiv, capital of Ukraine - article missing

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Kiev - The population in July 2013 was 2,847,200. Official population on Kyiv Town Hall registrations is over 2,888,000 (1 january 2015), today really (with non-registration & refugees from the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine) is over 3,500,000 citizens - https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%94%D0%B2%D0%B0 (this article in ukrainian language)

• • Other Wikipedia is not a valid source of information, information in every article has to be published out of Wikipedia in the reliable sources. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Lahore

Why Lahore is mentioned twice? Hellerick (talk) 04:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Seoul Population?

I was just wondering where the figure came from for Seoul-Incheon. Combined Seoul and Incheon only has a population of about 13 million. So I assume it isn't that. If the numbers are for Sudogwon the population should be, in late 2014, 25,359,428. While the population of Seoul has been decreasing it has largely been because of migration primarily to the other parts of Sudogwon, which have also been attracting migrants from other parts of South Korea. The two million difference seems random. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parhe (talk • contribs) 03:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Cairo?

What about Cairo? It is missing in the List. In the German version it is mentioned at Rank No. 21

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_gr%C3%B6%C3%9Ften_Metropolregionen_der_Welt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.159.75 (talk) 06:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, what about Cairo? It should be ranked in the Top 15 or even Top 10 list.

Karachi

Can somebody update the Karachi population and reference which is 23,800,000. Jjkajaja (talk) 18:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Cairo does not appear. Lahore does twice

First Lahore seems to be Cairo. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.152.200.121 (talk) 16:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Cairo

As it has been noticed, Lahore appears twice. The 18th position belongs to Cairo. Would be nice if somebody could replace the city name and the country. Thank you Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohfa (talk • contribs) 16:47, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hong Kong

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Hong Kong is a country (or as some others may prefer the word "region"), though not a sovereignty state. It has its own flag: The HKSAR Flag, which is widely recognised by International Olympic Committee and some other international organisations (e.g. APEC) under the name of "Hong Kong, China" (often referred to as the Olympic Standard). This is recognised and approved also by the central government of P.R. China. I strongly request related articles to list Hong Kong in the country list (in the form of "Hong Kong, China" if preferred to avoid disputes), and to list its SAR Flag int the flag list. The situation is highly similar to Puerto Rico of U.S., Gibraltar of U.K., and French Polynesia of France. The reasons are: Hong Kong enjoys its own currency (HK Dollar), has its own border (with independent immigration and customs control), own jurisdiction system (common law and Court of Final Appeal), and is recognised as an economy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Groverlynn (talk • contribs)

Groverlynn simultaneously started three nearly identical RFCs. For the sake of consistency, I suggest this RFC be closed and all participants post their comments on Talk:List of cities proper by population##Hong Kong, which has already attracted responses. -Zanhe (talk) 06:31, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Lagos

Should it not be higher on the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.195.58 (talk) 01:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Istanbul

It is a common misconception that Turks do things properly, so when you get figures from Turkish Bureau of Statistics (TUIK)’s Address-Based Population Recording System (ADNKS) you would think that is a proper estimate of population. Here are the problems with that: our current official definition of a metropolitan area is simply the entire province, including rural areas sometimes over 100km away from the actual metro area (this was done recently as a gerrymandering tactic by the current government which gets more votes from rural areas). This usually results in overestimation of metro areas. However, in the case of Istanbul there is another problem: Istanbul’s urban sprawl has spilled over to the neighboring provinces decades ago, but those bits don’t count in the official figures. This makes Istanbul underestimated. (plus I think the figure here are 2014, so that adds to the underestimation)

The data I provide below are the official Dec.2015 figures (in thousands) from Turkish Bureau of Statistics’ ADNKS as well, but I am using county-level data under the guidance of GoogleEarth as well as first hand knowledge.

Istanbul province 14657 (i.e. official figure for metropolitan municipality). Substract rural Şile and Adalar from this to get 14608.

Uninterrupted urbanization that conects to this: Çayırova, Darıca, Dilovası, Gebze counties of Kocaeli province and MarmaraEreğlisi county of Tekirdağ province. Total population 720, bringing the total of Istanbul “urban area” or “urban agglomeration” (as defined in the respective wiki pages of these terms) to 15328.

In addition to these, there are towns that have daily commuter relations with Istanbul: Başiskele, Derince, Gölcük, İzmit, Kartepe and Körfez counties of Kocaeli province; Çerkezköy and Çorlu counties of Tekirdağ province. Total population 1375, bringing the total of Istanbul “metropolitan area” (as defined in the wiki page of this term) to 16703.

So the correct figure is 15.3 million at the end of 2015.

Note: I'll post a copy of this to talk pages of other population lists in Wikipedia. Nkt777 (talk) 23:10, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Florida City to Jupiter

Should Florida City to Jupiter be considered an urban area ? .@Photnart. (talk) 02:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Table does not reproduce Demographia table accurately

There are obvious errors in ranking and population in this table when compared to the Demographia table it purports to reproduce. For example the order of Manilla and Dehli is swapped. Seoul is 5th in Demographia, 6th here, etc. The erros are because the populations have not been correctly transcribed. Can someone with expertise write a Python program to extract the table in full? Thanks,

Galerita (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Still a major issue today. NYC is number 5 in the table but number 9 in the source data.

Some Russian city names have been planted incorrectly in the table, for example, Perm, Voronezh, Novosibirsk, and Volgograd. Comparing the wiki page to the source data from Jan 2015, their population figures are higher, and have more significant figures.

W.andrea (talk) 05:31, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

I noticed that this was disputed and began the process for updating to the 2016 data (which is what is linked from the references). However, I was only able to do th "Number of urban areas by country in 2016" table. I don't think that I can update the "Urban areas (population over 1,000,000)" table without killing off all of the references.

Luke (talk) 18:06, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely Comical

City / Density

Phoenix–Mesa / 1,980

New York / 1,840

...Seriously guys.

Top 25

The 12-county Dallas–Fort Worth metropolitan area—at over 6.1 million people, it is the fourth-largest metropolitan area in the United States. See metropolitan area for recent/current list rankings.

Requested move

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List of urban areas by population → List of urban areas by population (Demographia) — As the page only uses Demgraphia.com data so the page needs to reflect that. Also pages that uses UN estimates has UN added at the end of title for example: List of urban agglomerations by population (United Nations). Triplespy (talk) 20:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Pointless proposal in terms of current policy. Also fails to comply with our disambiguation convention. Andrewa (talk) 00:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Unneeded disambiguation of article title. The lead of the article already clearly states that the list is from Demographia. If the source is the problem, one can always incorporate alternative urban area figures as footnotes or even a second list within the same article. --Polaron | Talk 14:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Andrewa. See also Talk:List of metropolitan areas by population. Elockid ^(Talk) 16:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. However, I like to add the estimated population by Geopolis (or Prof. François Moriconi-Ebrard) when updating is finished. His defined urban areas are based on 200 metres gap between residents. Anyway, the latest estimated popultation by Geopolis no longer exists on web (I found the printed version of top 100 world's largest urban agglomerations in 2005 in "Tableaux de l'Économie Française 2007", but this lacks data of area sizes), and the one estimated by Demographia is the only source that clearly states the definition of urban areas.Aurichalcum (talk) 17:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment: I'm actually looking forward to the addition of Geopolis. Elockid ^(Talk) 18:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

This list used to be sourced to Geopolis data (last Geopolis version is here). However, there were many complaints about New York and Philadelphia being combined as a single urban area. --Polaron | Talk 18:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I can see why. Hopefully, the list will be revised. Elockid ^(Talk) 18:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, estimated population of the top 100 urban areas in the world as of 2005 can be found below (using web.archive.org). The estimated population is given in a tenth of a million, while the Excel file provides more detailed digits. However, this list does not contain area data.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061119033611/www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/chifcle_fiche.asp?ref_id=CMPTEF01104&tab_id=19

http://web.archive.org/web/20061119033611/http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/figure/CMPTEF01104.XLS

For the European list, urban areas can be calculated using population and density data.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070426073947/www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/chifcle_fiche.asp?ref_id=CMPTEF01103&tab_id=18

http://web.archive.org/web/20070426073947/http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/figure/CMPTEF01103.XLS

I found area data for European urban areas as of 2000, but I could not find other area data of urban areas of the world in the previous Geopolis site.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041226115505/www.geo.univ-avignon.fr/Site+Avignon/pages/labo/geopolis/EUNLDtab.html

Actually, I myself bought the book written by François Morconi-Ebrard, "De Babylone à Tokyo - les grandes agglomérations du monde," (ISBN 2-7080-0971-0) published in 2000. The book provides a list of urban areas with population more than two million inhabitants as of 2000 as well as area size (in km²). However, the urban area data are quite different from the ones given in the previous wikipedia issues.

Aurichalcum (talk) 05:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose a stupid suggested move, looks like disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, see WP:POINT. If an article relies on limited sources, improve the article, don't move it to a stupid title. Should possibly be snowballed out, see WP:SNOW. PatGallacher (talk) 23:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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Budapest

Budapest, Hungary, also missing. The metro has well over 2 million.

Other sources: urban area definitions vary

Currently the article relies completely upon Demographia, ie Mr Wendell Cox. He might be a clever guy, but experts disagree - for example the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs regularly produces a World Urbanization Prospects report, which differs figures and hence rankings.

Experts disagree, and varying definitions of 'urban area' can be seen as professional opinions. To avoid stating opinions as facts the article should at least incorporate another reliable source. Batternut (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Batternut: Whilst I see your point on using a single source the difficulty with using multiple sources is which one do you take for the ranked list? Where exactly is the urban areas population in the UN data you linked to. I had a quick look but couldn't see it. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 21:10, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, link above should have been here (now fixed) - see p312 "Table A.12. Population of urban agglomerations with 300,000 inhabitants or more in 2014" in the 517-page Final Report PDF. The rankings could be dealt with along the lines of List of countries by GDP (PPP). Btw, the current article list seems too long to be updated and verified properly. Batternut (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I think the way it's done at the GDP article works well, and agree that this urban areas list is way too long. See if there are any more comments. Eldumpo (talk) 07:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

@Batternut: Demographia is the most accurate. It is also transparent, reporting the area and satellites taken into account. As regards the length, you are right. If someone is interested in urban agglomerations with 2 of 3 million inhabitants, (s)he can look at the article about country. Propositum (talk) 12:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Canadian cities need updated population

Yeah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socialistboyy (talk • contribs) 03:42, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Barquisimeto

Barquisimeto is missing. It has about 2 million people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.116.202 (talk) 02:37, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Demographia puts the population at 930,000. Is there another source that says it is more? Batternut (talk) 08:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2017

this page is not accurate at all. The source of information, "Demographia" is not A) a reliable, cit-able source and B) not Accurate at all. Reference official population censuses. 174.46.35.65 (talk) 20:17, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I would agree that other reliable sources give figures different to Demographia's; the trouble is that in a list like this the figures need to be comparable, which means using a consistent definition of what an urban area is; the statistics bureaux of different countries set their own definitions. Demographia and also the UN Dept of Economic and Social Affairs try to apply a single definition globally. Would you have more trust in the UN figures? See also discussion #Other sources: urban area definitions vary above. Batternut (talk) 22:45, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2017

the 285 Perth, WA Australia Urban area 1,815,000 1,566 1,000 2017 Demographia is incorrect as on the which is update from the 2016 census and Perth's population is put it around 2,066,564 120.145.129.145 (talk) 09:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 01:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Merged without discussion

It seems this list has been merged without discussion, at least without mentioning the discussion here. Wikipedia:Merging wasn't followed. Batternut (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

List of Urban Areas by Size

I don't see why listing any kind of settlement by population is important. Who cares about how many people live in a city? We should list cities by the amount of land area it covers, political boundries be damned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.181.191 (talk) 03:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

You can actually sort this list by area - click the triangles in the Area column heading, and you will see that New York City tops the list by area. Batternut (talk) 06:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Except this isn't using the actual urban length of cities. There are rural areas between New Haven and New York, between Providence and Boston, between Washington and Baltimore. It should use ONLY the URBAN areas of the cities. URBAN, as in the opposite of rural. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.181.191 (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The areas used are sourced from Demographia, described there as land areas (urban footprint) - the New York agglomeration has one of the lowest population densities in their table, ranked 970th. How they decided what to include I don't know, but City Population also includes New Haven, for example. The UN's World Urbanization Prospects lists New Haven separately - you might prefer their population figures, however they don't provide land area so it cannot help the issue bothering you. Batternut (talk) 23:56, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Article Content Does Not Match Title

I've been trying to create or find a good list of cities by population for a while. Only recently did I learn the difference between a city proper, Urban Area, and Metro area. I've decided that the Urban Area is the best definition for cities' populations. I came to this article thinking I had finally found the list I'd been looking for. There is one big problem, though. This isn't a list of cities' populations based on their urban area. This list is a list of Metro areas. There is already a page for metro areas by population, and it does a better job conveying the same information. The information on this article should be changed, and if it isn't, there is no point in this article existing. Gabby (talk) 19:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Boston way too high up on list

Urban area of Boston is 4,180,000 not near 7 million.