Talk:List of steampunk works/Archive 1

Final Fantasy 7

Does anyone else think this video game was in a steampunk theme? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.212.2 (talk) 22:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Fritz Lang's "Woman in the Moon"

Does anyone else think that maybe it could be added to the list, as it could possibly be classified as modern steampunk?? --Promus Kaa 19:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Mousehunt

How the hell is mousehunt steampunk?

It isn't and I removed the link --FACT50 20:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed link

I'm sorry but Emilie Autumn is not Steampunk in any way shape or form. She makes Industrial music, and tries to sell it as Victoriandustrial. After listening to her album, I have a hard time even finding anything remotely victorian about her music at all. --FACT50 10:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Re-arranging the music links

Taking out the music video, and album sub-headers. They seem kind of redundant, when a simple link to each band that has shown steampunk inclinations will suffice. --FACT50 21:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please stop reverting my changes. It is not possible to list a NPOV opinion on albums and videos. I will continue to check and make sure these links stay the way they are. If whoever is changing these wishes to debate their inclusion, please use this talk page to do so. --FACT50 18:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts?

Can we justify the inclusion of KH as a steampunk-themed series? Seems to me that outside of a few vaguely similar instances (Traverse/Twilight Town & Hollow Bastion primarily), there's not much to go on. The few things that qualify it are incidental rather than fundamental.

TT and HB are probably the only instances of steampunk-esque work in the game, you're right, but I think the influences are there. Think back to the room with all the clock mechanisms in Travese Town, and all the scenes involving the clock tower. The library in Hollow Bastion seems to be very Victorian-age influenced and also contains similar clockwork gadgets. I'm not saying it's fundamentally steampunk - but neither is Harry Potter, and for one reason or another it's still listed here. The first paragraphs of the article state that not all of the works here were created with steampunk themes in mind. If we're going to prune titles like KH, Mr. Potter has to go as well, unless someone can justify the "steampunk" in that. Ministry of Silly Walks 18:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree that Harry Potter should not be in this list. I can see nothing Steampunk about the series? FACT50 17:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Would Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow classify as steampunk? It seemed like the obvious choice for me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.183.116.71 (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Sky Captain is Retro-Futurism, which is a closely related genre to Steampunk. In order for a work of fiction to be considered Steampunk, it must be either set in, or feature elements of victorian science fiction. The recently used term for post WW1 alternate history like Skycaptain is "Dieselpunk" which I guess works, but further confuses people with it's use of the word "punk". FACT50 00:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it from the list again. Add it to retro-futurism or start a dieselpunk entry (the dieselpunk section was just removed from Steampunk) but this is a List of steampunk works which it isn't. (Emperor 01:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC))

I just removed it again, as well. This is going to be added again and again, methinks. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 18:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

This list sucks

Sorry if that offends, but this list is way too inclusive, to the point that it is of no real use to someone who is looking for good examples of steampunk. It basically lists anything that involves steam or anachronisms. This isn't really sufficient to be "steampunk". I think the "punk" part is being forgotten. There has to be some kind of social message or theme. Back to the Future III? Harry Potter? Give me a break. 24.6.99.30 00:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd probably include Back to the Future II and III but there are certianly entries here that should go. I'd suggest we list entries that are a cause for concern and kick them around a bit. I have removed one recently (gotham by Gaslight - only its sequel is steampunk) and even in the comics section there are a couple that give me cause for concern: Batman: The Doom that Came to Gotham is Batman/Lovecraft and although I haven't read it descrptions of JLA: Age of Wonder suggest, while Victorian, it isn't that Steampunky [1] (although this suggests differntly so...) I have to say though that the punk is rather misleading (and more from their riffing off cyberpunk than there being that many punk elements) as very little of it is punky (possibly Baker Street being the exception). There is actually a bit of discussion on that here. (Emperor 01:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC))

Yes the title Steampunk is entirely misleading. Their have only been a handfull of novels with that kind of anti-establishment feel that cyberpunk genrally features. The name steampunk was created as a joke to describe a few mid-80's cyberpunk novels that were set in a alternate victorian era (The Anubis Gates, Difference Engine, etc.). Steampunk is often used to refer to Le Voyages Extraordinaire, Verne's classic Scientific Romance novels. Back to the Future III even has a reference to Verne in a discussion between Doc Brown and Clara. As far as I'm concerned Steampunk has nothing at all to do with "punk", and very little to do with cyberpunk. FACT50 00:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this list is far too inclusive. When I discovered this list I was delighted. I assumed that it would be a handy reference of works in the steampunk genre. That makes sense based on the title, and it's what I was looking for. Unfortunetely, That's not at all what this list is. It's really a list of works that contain steampunk elements, no matter how insignificant those elements are to the work as a whole. It seems like this list should either be seriously pruned, (Possibly trashing it and starting over), or it needs to be moved to "List of Works Containing Steampunk Elements" or something that acurately describes the contents of the list. APL 05:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest pruning it, as I've been doing for a while. Drop anything you removed in the section below and if people object to the removal then we can look into it. The problem is that how much Steampunk does it need to be classed as Steampunk. The main problem is things that are't even steampunk and things that are largely Victorian (which for some reason some people seem to think is good enough). What I've tended to do is check the entry, as I've said this isn't the place to prove it is Steampunk - the entry has to support this classification. If not, I say remove it until the main entry can be adjusted to demonstrate this. (Emperor 21:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC))

There are no real set laws governing what is and is not 'steampunk'. The very idea that one person can decree what does and does not qualify frankly stinks of cliche! The very page suggest stories set around the 16th century, yet everyone seems to have a strange idea that steampunk means Victorian and nothing else. Fair enough, some films such as Back To The Future 3 only have certain elements of steampunk too them, but that still qualifies them to be in the list. In my opinion, the list should serve as a handy beginners guide and not get bogged down in 'holier than thou' clicheness. (Magnius 01.12am 02 July 2008) —Preceding comment was added at 00:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Genres have definitions. If you're going to have a list you have to stick to the definition or the list becomes worthless.

"The term ['steampunk'] denotes works set in an era or world where steam power is still widely used—usually the 19th century, and often set in Victorian era England—but with prominent elements of either science fiction or fantasy, such as fictional technological inventions like those found in the works of H. G. Wells and Jules Verne, or real technological developments like the computer occurring at an earlier date."

You just recently added "Bioshock". that's a game that is set in the 20th century. Well after more modern power sources have supplanted steam in day to day usage, and the game's design reflects this setting. Perhaps you're looking for Retro-futurism, it is occasionally mistakenly called "steampunk". APL (talk) 19:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree with APL. This article can be very easily overwhelmed with utterly irrelevant so-called examples (Brazil, anyone?) that are entirely off-the-mark. As APL says, without a genre definition this list would become worthless. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 03:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd agree with the bioshock/retro futurism thing, but may I draw your attention to the quote "denotes works set in an era or world where steam power is still widely used — usually the 19th century", note the word "usually". I think what I am getting at is that as long as steam is the power source of choice, then any era is acceptable, even possibly the future? An example would be "Mutant Chronicles" with it's steam powered tech. Even if you do not accept anything futuristic, you have to accept that steampunk is not automatically Victorian era, it can see pre or post Victorian too. magnius (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The removed

I have taken the following out of the television section: The Big O, Sherlock Hound, Fullmetal Alchemist, Kino's Journey, Reign: The Conqueror, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Five Children and It. Victorian or retro-futurist settings aren't enough to qualify as steampunk and there is also nothing on the entry's page to suggest they are Steampunk - if anyone wants to add them back in then they really need to demonstrate it on the entries page (and it has to stick as other editors may disagree with you) otherwise there isn't much point in adding them back in as the criteria they were removed on hasn't changed. I have been through the comics section and have some doubts (see above) but they involve entries that haven't been created yet so I'll wait and see. I'll also check other sections over time. (Emperor 15:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Sherlock Hound must remain in the list, in each and every episode, there was some kind of over the top steampunk invention (usually utilized or stolen by Moriarty). Especially the episodes that were directed by Hayao Miyazaki, who as most anyone can tell you has a penchant for steamtech in almost everything he releases. You can find plot synopsis for 10 of the 26 episodes at: http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/holmes/story.html Epsiode #9 in particular featured a submarine, and an airship as major plot points. FACT50 18:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Then expand the Sherlock Hound entry - I'm not saying that they aren't steampunky just that there is nothing there to justify its inclusion. The infobox has room for genres and there is the steampunk category. Its worth noting that, from what I've read, it is set in the early 20th century and submarines and airships (and it appears airplanes) aren't necessarily indicators of steampunk (a key hallmark is out of place/anachronistic technology). (Emperor 19:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Ummm a multiple person submersible in the 1860's is out of place anachronistic technology. The show was certainly not set in the 20th century. In addition to the aformentioned vehicles, Moriarty also used a gigantic drilling machine to break into the vault of a castle on a mountain, there was an episode with a clockwork loch ness monster featured, there was a tank in one as well. I can't remember everything from the series, because I haven't seen it in a few years. I do remember how pleasently surprised I was to find all of the steampunk elements in it though when I rented the series. I'm not that great at editing wiki pages, how do I add to the categorey list? Also I added a little mention of the steampunk influence in the synopsis. FACT50 19:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Well Sherlock Holmes is late 19th/early 20th century and the only mention of the date I found (granted it was a IMDB review so I wasn't taking it as read - there is just little English information) said 20th C (it is worth noting how sophisticated submarines were in the late 19th C though [2]). As I say I'm not arguing that it (or the others) aren't steampunk I'm saying that the specific entry has to justify its inclusion on the list (which is why there isn't much point arguing for it here - better off adding the information into the entry). The list cannot work the other way round with the only sign that it is steampunk being is inclusion on the list - that starts to get into very tricky territory and makes a nonsense of the list as someone checking it will end up scratching their head over why exactly some of those qualify. If people updte the other entries to show why they qualify for the list then people can put them back in. I see you've updated the Sherlock Hound entry and that is all I'm asking ;) I'll go and drop in the category if you haven't (its probably easier to show than explain) (Emperor 19:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Possible Spoilers For Full Metal Alchemist: FMA is set in an alternate version of the 1920s where electricity was never developed to a very large extent, so steam trains are common, and other than automail, there are very few machines. The end of the anime does feature victorian styled characters, however, they are anachronistic by the show's canon. Automail on it's own might possibly qualify as steampunk, however, it's unknown what, if anything, powers it so it's hard to say. If you assume that automail is no more advanced than any of the other machines shown in the show, it would imply that it is made with approximately victorian level technology, and could possibly qualify as steampunk.Ziiv 04:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed Brazil (film) (1985). Again the list is to accumulate things that are proven to be Steampunky on their own entries and including them in is then the final step in the process. This came up recently on a Steampunk forum and while Gilliam's work tends to the quirkly elaborate it would be a stretch to describe Brazil (or any of his work this side of baron Munchausen) as Steampunk (and I am a big fan of his films). However, again, I'm open to discussion on it but the first port of call should b the Brazil entry itself. (Emperor 14:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

Removed Brazil again (it has also been discussed and removed on the Steampunk entry - see the talk page over there). Also removed: The Abominable Dr. Phibes, Dr. Phibes Rises Again and The Asphyx and my comments above still stand - this isn't the place to demonstrate they are Steampunk (adding it to the list doesn't make it so) - work needs to be done on the relevant entry to show why it fits in the genre. (Emperor 16:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC))

Removed:

* A Great and Terrible Beauty by Libba Bray

* Fallen Angels sequel to A Great and Terrible Beauty by Libba Bray

Leaving aside the fact it is Rebel Angels there is nothing on those entries to suggest they are Steampunk (more fantasy in a Victorian setting) - this list isn't the place to prove it, that needs to be done on the actual entries. (01:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC))

Removed Priest (manhwa) as not only am I not aware of what the Steampunk elements are (there are steam trains but it is a Wild West setting) and the entry gives no reason for this (see my comments above). The same editor dropped in a raft of anime into the TV section, most of which also don't give any hints on their entry. Someone might want to take a look at them. (Emperor 11:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC))

Actually as we removed Fullmetal Alchemist above and no one argued for putting it back in I've removed that latest batch, feel free to add them back in if you can improve the entries to show how they are Steampunk (although some of those I know and can't think what the Steampunk elements are): *Fullmetal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, Heatguy J, Outlaw Star, Helsing and Trinity Blood. However, if you do please get the links right (It is Hellsing for example) and don't add in comments like "How could anyone forget this?" [3] (Emperor 11:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC))

I just removed the various Saw films [4] - I assume it must have been due to a misunderstanding or something. (Emperor 01:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC))

Good catch. This list gets a lot of things added To it because of misunderstandings.--APL 21:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why Young Einstein isn't included on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.75.173 (talk) 03:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Steampunk or High Fantasy?

I noticed that Morrowind and Oblivion are on the list, as well as a bunch of other sci-fi games that I don't ever recall having a steampunk aspect such as Chrono Trigger. If a game is prominently high fantasy or generic sci-fi, the steampunk aspects should be pointed out or the item should be removed. Ziiv 03:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. It does need policing. Go through them and take out what you don't think should be there. A criteria I used in the section above was looking for the actual word Steampunk in it. It is not down to this list to prove it is Steampunk purely by its inclusion - it has to be demonstrated on the page (even if this is only adding it to the Steampunk category) otherwise it fails verfiability and has to come out. As with what I did above drop in a list of what you remove in here and if people object we can discuss how to improve the article to prove steampunkery which would then make it elligible for inclusion on the list. (Emperor 03:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC))

allright I'll start the list:

• Chrono Trigger
• Chrono Cross
• The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
• The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
• .hack//G.U.
• Arx Fatalis
• Darkwatch
• Clive Barker's Undying
• Impossible Creatures
• Nightmare Creatures
• Rocket Knight Adventures
• Rule of Rose
• Shining Force Series
• Tail Concerto
• TimeSplitters

If you think one of these games is steampunk, or has steampunk aspects, post why here. Ziiv 04:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw these games have been removed because they are far more high fantasy than steampunk, and I began wondering why the Warcraft games are still included. To my opinion these are very much high fantasy and there is as much "steampunk" in them as you can find in games like Morrowind.Cyanid 12:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

They haven't been removed because they're more high fantasy than steampunk, they've been removed because they don't say what about them is steampunk. Warcraft has its goblin and gnomish helecopters, zepplins, and other devices juxtaposed into a primarily medieval setting. If you'ld like to argue that that's not steampunk, go right ahead. These were just removed because there's nothing on their respective pages that mentions anything about steampunk or anything related to steampunk.Ziiv 16:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I can vouch for the following titles:

Darkwatch -Western Horror, with many Steam powered mechanisms, the Darkwatch organization as a whole has many steam powered weapons, and an advanced train with many steampunk elements. They also utilize a war wagon that is steam powered.

Rocket Knight Adventures - Has levels that take place in very Victorian themed settings, including an incredibly Steampunk level inside and on top of a giant airship. Some of the flying segments, have the user face off against many other steampunk inspired flying machines, and the user's character (Sparkster) has a mechanical suit of armor with a jetpack attached.

TimeSplitters - Has had levels set in the turn or the century, and WW1, where the technology is very anachronistic. One stage had the user infiltrating an undersea base below a castle off the coast of scotland (set in 1912). The base its self featured Art Nouveau architecture, a drilling machine straight out of Journey to the Center of the Earth, steam powered mechas, and the user had access to decidedly steampunk weapons. FACT50 22:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Has underground factory-like lairs guarded by steam-powered constructs.Cyanid 11:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, the entire Dwemer subculture of Morrowind (which plays a major part in the game's storyline) is based around steam technology. In Oblivion, this idea is also exhibited in the villains for the Fighter's guild base where they have a tree with mind-altering sap being at the heart of a giant steam driven machine which the player has to destroy to complete that mission subset.71.189.155.18

Dark City

I feel like adding Dark City to the list but I don't really know what is the right section, if you're familiar with the topic feel free to add it. Nicolas1981 21:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it fits more into the dieselpunk category Cyanid 21:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The Rocketeer

The early 90s film "The Rocketeer" could be considered steam punk to a certain degree, yes? VarunRajendran 14:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

No. It is retro-futurism (what the young 'uns call dieselpunk) and is properly listed there. It is a tribute to the pulp heroes of the 30s and 40s, as outlined at The Rocketeer. There is nothing steamy about the technology and it is set in a fairly conventional 1938 so doesn't seem to tick any Steampunk boxes. I did enjoy it though ;) (Emperor 20:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC))

Treasure Planet

I realize that there isn't really any steam technology to speak of in this film, but does anyone else think the aesthetic of Treasure Planet is Steampunk? Airships, brass gadgets, B.E.N.'s house... I don't know, it just seemed Steampunky to me. --Crispo 06:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Added dates to video game section.

I added in some dates to the video game section. It feels like dates are at least as important for a video game as they are a movie. Probably more so. I'm not sure if there's an excepted method for citing the date in a list of video games, so here's the method I used : I chose the first release in any country. For series, I chose the first release of the first game in the series, and the first release of the last game of the series. (Not including re-releases or ports.)

I'm still not convinced that all those games belong on the list, but I figured so long as they're there they might as well have dates next to them.--APL 03:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Resistance : Fall of Man

I'll admit that I have not yet played the game, but I can't find any evidence of any steampunk elements in Fall of Man. While it's 'alternate history', The title takes place post-ww2 and appears to feature roughly realistic post-ww2 technology.

I can't find any reference to steam power, clockworks, or any other Victorian technology. Which, according to the steampunk article are vital components of steampunk.

There is no mention to steampunk on the wikipedia article.

With some quick googling, I can only find one reference to "Fall of Man" as "steampunk". ( |Click Here) But he uses a lot of weasel-words, and then doesn't really explain why he makes the connection.

So, with no support from the main article, and no external cites, I'm FoM off the list again. APL 21:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Good call - we can't demonstrate that they are Steampunk purely by putting them in this section, the associated article should be able to justify them (ideally after they are added to the Steampunk category - I wonder if we need a few child cats for "Steampunk comics", "Steampunk films," etc.). (Emperor 22:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC))

I've just removed it for at least the third time. (Quoted from Sturmwehr's edit summary.)"future technologies (the human weapons) in an alternate past (ALIENS IN WORLD WAR 2)" would generally just be described as "Alternate history" or perhaps just "Science Fiction". I've seen both used to describe R:FoM, but never "Steampunk" until now. "Steampunk" is reserved mainly for future technologies recast as pseudo-Victorian technologies. (I'm over-simplifying here) not technologies copied into the past verbatim. However if you honestly believe this is an error, the proper procedure is to find an external reference to the fact that R:FoM is Steampunk and attempt to add this information to the R:FoM article, then add it to this list. (Please do not do this unless you have researched the issue.) APL 14:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You've already been provided with an article where the writer considers the game to be steampunk. Also, you show your bias by suggesting a god damn game review contains weasal words. First, it's a review. They don't contain them. Secondly, he's not writing for Wikipedia. Third, it's an opinion piece. You've just decided to not pay attention to it because you disagree with his conclusion. Obviously, I am not the only one that thinks the game qualifies as steampunk. Any source declaring an anime/movie/book/game to be steampunk is going to be an opinion piece as well, since some may not agree the plot elements meet the definition of steampunk. There's evidence here showing that, indeed, some people think it qualifies. Thus, I think it's COMPLETELY WARRANTED to be added. You don't, and have disagreed with the source which also comes to this conclusion. I've done the research, now I suggest you do the same. --Sturmwehr 16:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking back, I guess The weasel-words I was referring to were "Comes across as", but I suppose you're right, in a review this is a perfectly natural phrase. But I stand by my main point that classifying something as a particular genre is not a completely arbitrary, subjective process. If someone tried to add "Hamlet" to the list I would have similar concerns even if I was able to find a single web site that said that Hamlet was steampunk. The reason is that steampunk has a well agreed upon definition. Unsurprisingly, It mostly involves steam. I'm simplifying here, but Steampunk is science fiction based on Victorian or pseudo-Victorian technologies. Generally this means steam-powered technology more complicated than historical locomotives, or clockwork contraptions more complicated than historical time-pieces, but you could probably make a good case for anything that mixes science fiction with Victorian era concepts and aesthetics.

I again admit that I have not yet played the game. (I don't have a PS3 yet.) However, If the game contains Victorian elements or surprising use of steam technology I would expect that the Resistance:Fall of Man article would mention it, since the game is based in 1951, which is comparability modern.

In any case, if this really is an error, and the game does belong in the steampunk genre, the main R:FoM article should be fixed first. APL 20:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Battalion Wars

Battalion Wars-added to the list

Would the Xylvanians be considered Steampunk or Dieselpunk? While a single instance usually doesn't entitle a place in the list, the fact that you face the army in question for 3/4 of the game helps it along. 76.5.185.201TSP, Sept. 11, 2007, 7:52 pm (EST)

Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness

Why not Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness the wiki article say it is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.161.232.93 (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Golden COmpass

"His Dark Materials: The Golden Compass (set in an alternate 19th century setting, with many anachronistic technologies) (2007) "

Who said it was set in the 19th century? I just reread the book, and there are no dates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.86.154 (talk) 03:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Does "General Leonardo" Belong?

Although I am not 100% sure what everybody agrees is steampunk, I have added "General Leonardo by Erik Svane and Dan Greenberg" to the comic book list (without the Amazon links, natch). An excerpt can be seen by clicking on the magnifying glass under the cover. If a majority thinks it doesn't belong, by all means remove it.

(Basically, the story is as follows: In the graphic novel series General Leonardo (three albums planned; In the Service of the Vatican and Crusade To the Holy Land published so far), Erik Svane and Dan Greenberg have the upper echelons of the Vatican forcing Leonardo da Vinci to build avant-garde military inventions (the tank, the hangglider, etc) in around 1480 in order to create an invincible army to embark upon a new Crusade to invade the Holy Land and reconquer Jerusalem.) Asteriks 10:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Good question. Basically I think it classes as clockpunk but I think that might be splitting hairs. I think the key is that it has anachronistic technology and I'd err on the side of caution and include it here.

One thing that would help is if you started an entry for it and people can then make up their own mind about it (as it is close). (Emperor 12:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

Baron Munchausen

I just removed The Adventures of Baron Munchausen from the films section. I see nothing particularly steampunk about it; indeed, the film is set, as it quite clearly states, in the late 18 century, not in the Victorian period; and there is nothing "sci-fi" about it. It is some kind of historical fantasy, but certainly not steampunk. There is clearly great confusion about this term. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 18:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Definition of Steampunk Music

I've noticed someone has been pruning the once ample list of Steampunk bands into a decidedly minimal list that has unfairly culled even the most obviously Steampunk musicians. Therefore,I think that in order to help define what bands are or are not Steampunk, we must have a working definition of what kinds of musical elements would define Steampunk music. I propose that Steampunk music would be defined as having one of the following: 1. The contrast of musical elements drawn from Classical music with mechanistic elements influenced by musical genres like Industrial music, Electronic Body Music, and Post-punk. 2. Neovictorian inspired music strongly influenced by Punk ideologies. Is this an acceptable definition? If not, how can it be improved? (SojournerTikkun 10:17 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem with this list is that what is or isn't Steampunk music is all in the ear of the beholder. I'm not sure who trimmed down the list, but I agree it is missing a few rather essential projects. I think that VP, and AP, are the only two who really openly cite Steampunk as an influence though. 76.14.45.148 (talk) 03:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Could people please do research on Steampunk before adding or removing links?

People are removing "classic" examples of steampunk that are thought of as great inspiration for the genre, like "Brazil" and obvious, newer examples, like "Fullmetal Alchemist" and "The Golden Compass". Then others are adding games and such in which the other aspects so dwarf the meger steampunk elements as to render them unmentionable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.105.176 (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Brazil? A "Classic" example of steampunk? Really? Explain why. APL (talk) 01:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Please. APL (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Video games

I just went through and edited the (rather long) list of video games. I removed all games the articles for which gave no indication of a steampunk association. If I removed anything that is clearly steampunk-related, please put it back, but provide some kind of information indicating its steampunk association. Remember, we need verifiability here. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 21:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I added the Skies of Arcadia, and Hellboy 2 entries. Just look at those articles to see the obvious Steampunk connections. Especially Skies of Arcadia (I even edited the summary of the game to reflect it). Skies of Arcadia takes place in a fictional Victorian world of floating islands, where the main form of transportation is Airships. Other Steampunk tech such as steam powered tanks, trains, etc also appear throughout the game. The Hellboy 2 article doesn't directly reference the connection, but on the official HB2 site, the director Guillermo Del Torro mentions Jules Verne as an influence on the visual design of a lot of the films sets, objects, and characters. 63.82.98.51 (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I read the article for every item I deleted, and I found no compelling evidence of any of those being explicitly steampunk. Provide a reference that indicates they are, or do not readd them. Wikipedia demands verifiability, not an editor's claim that something or other is "obvious". What is obvious to you may not be so obvious to others. This is why we require referencing and verifiability. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 00:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

re:Skies of Arcadia : I can't tell one way or the other from the article, and I haven't played it myself. But simply name-dropping Jules Verne doesn't somehow make the article more clear. It needs to be descriptive, and sourced. With a quick google I couldn't find anyone of note mentioning this title and "Steampunk". APL (talk) 14:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a little hard to reference when the game came out in 2000 and hardly anyone in the press was using the term Steampunk at the time. Anyone who has played the game couldn't possibly argue about the Steampunk nature of it. Just look at these screenshots if you don't believe me? [[5]], [[6]], [[7]]. And if you're going to pull the old wikipedia verifiability card, half the games on that list have no verifiability, other than the editors claiming they are something. (I don't see any reference links on a number of those articles). So if I go to the Skies of Arcadia page, and write a section to qualify it's Steampunk merits, then you guys will be all fine and dandy with it?. That doesn't really make sense to me. FACT50 (talk) 00:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I added two references to Skies of Arcadia, and 1 to Bioshock (I'm actually quite shocked that got removed from the list, as the entire steampunk subculture was buzzing about it all year). FACT50 (talk) 01:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yea, everyone was buzzing about it. (Now that I've got a new PC, It's next on my list of games to play as soon as I finish Half-life2.) It's certainly retro. But from everything I've seen and read its retro aesthetic is pulled from about 1930. I also wasn't able to find any references to surprising uses of steam or clockworks. (The recently added reference was no help at all.) APL (talk) 06:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

What about Airborn and Skybreaker?

How come Airborn (and Skybreaker, the next book in the series by Kenneth Oppel) aren't on the list of steampunk books? Airborn's set in an alternate history in which airships ruled the sky rather than sea ships the oceans. Massive airships, similar to zeppelins but more like the Titanic in terms of size and actual weight, are made possible due to the discovery of a gas called "hydrium," which is far lighter than air (a few men can carry an airship the size of a liner across the landing fields). There are other air inventions, such as little ornithopters, which aren't lifted by hydrium, but by noisy engines (though hydrium-powered ships have engines as well) and feathered, flapping wings, and which the crews of hydrium-powered ships refer to as "mosquitoes." It's set in a Victorian-esque equivalent era, where there are air-pirates and people dress like in the Victorian era, but as in Skybreaker, there are airships called "Skybreakers" which are capable of going to much greater heights than ordinary vessels. In Skybreaker, the cabin boy Matt, star of Airborn, goes in search of the legendary ghostship said to be floating frozen at usually-inaccessible heights, and which is supposed to be full of treasure.

I think if Philip Reeve's Mortal Engines is on the list, Airborn and Skybreaker should be. Kenneth Oppel is a major fan of the Mortal Engines books and the Airborn books are obviously inspired by them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiff-HundredNames (talk • contribs) 23:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Totally off topic, but that plot synopsis of Airborn sounds like the script of a video game I've been working on since 1996. Except in my game the gas is called "Hydronium". I seriously doubt there was any ripping off to be done there, it's just a very strange coincidence. lol. FACT50 (talk) 01:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Film deletions

I've taken out King Solomon's Mines (no technology to speak of) and Edward Scissorhands (no steam). I haven't seen Delicatessen, but from the plot summary, it doesn't seem to fit in this genre. I'd appreciate comments from those who have seen it. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Delicatessen is set in a post-apocalyptic France. I don't really think there is anything particularly Steampunk in that film at all. FACT50 (talk) 03:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not even certain that Delicatessen is post-apocalyptic, but it is certainly not steampunk! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 03:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Steampunk at Disney theme parks?

This doesn't fit in any of the existing sections. Examples are Discoveryland in Disneyland Paris and Mysterious Island Tokyo DisneySea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.209.206.1 (talk) 21:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Anno Dracula

I can't help but wonder why Anno Dracula is listed. While a fantastic novel, it is merely alternate history in the Victorian England setting, with no technological aspects--which, if I'm not mistaken, is what puts the "steam" in steampunk. Though I really didn't feel that Tracy Lynn's Snow should be on this list, at least it did have one element of steampunkiness to it in the Clockwork man. I fear whoever added Anno Dracula is thinking steampunk is only alternative history set inside Victorian times and neglecting the most important element. Medbie (talk) 23:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a good candidate for removal. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

blocked user?

Since when was I a blocked user? I just moved a film (Treasure Planet) that someone else had posted so it was in date order! magnius (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

He didn't even add a film with that edit, he just re-alphabetized it. Perhaps R. Jacobite could explain? APL (talk) 13:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this discussion, and had to go back through the history to see what it was referring to. I was not intending to revert your edit, magnius, I was reverting the anonymous user 68.157.17.224, who edited right before you. The IP was being used by a permanently blocked troll/stalker who was reverting all of my edits. Sorry for the confusion, and for the lateness of my reply. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd forgotten all about this, thanks for the update though :) magnius (talk) 17:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries! I wish I'd seen the discussion sooner. That stalker was a pain in the backside. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)