Talk:List of saxophonists

Saxophonist --> List of saxophonists Saxophone

There was a proposal at Talk:Saxophonist to change Saxophonist to List of saxophonists. The content from the old article was pasted into a new article, and I have changed the Saxophonist article to a redirect. I posted the following comments at Talk:Saxophonist:

It probably would have been better to do a page move, rather than copy the content into a new article. I have made the old page into a redirect, which I guess will accomplish the same thing. I'm thinking that the articles that still link [to "Saxophonist"] (i.e. when the word "saxophonist" occurs) should, for the most part, link to the main Saxophone article instead (or in any event, should skip the redirect). I'll try to get started on that task in a bit.

-- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, now that the elevator has finally reached the top floor I can see how it would make more sense to redirect "Saxophonist" to "Saxophone." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Not really saxophonists

I'm not sure Bill Clinton, Frank Morgan and Adolphe Sax should be included in this list. They aren't really professional or committed saxophone players. Adolphe Sax obviously technically fits, but I'd say first he was an instrument maker - besides the Saxophone article will cover him, and anyone really interested will find out who he is easily. Comments, please. ¦ Reisio 08:59, 2005 July 29 (UTC)

Frank Morgan? I hope he is professional and committed, he was the sax player who mentored my teacher! ;) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Oops, never mind, different Frank Morgan (born 1933). The one I'm thinking of doesn't yet have an article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 09:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Forgot to mention...I would of course be game for like a list of Notables that also played the saxophone or something in which Bill Clinton and Frank Morgan could be included. ¦ Reisio 15:22, 2005 July 29 (UTC)

Adolphe sax most certainly fits. Even though he started out primarily as an instrument maker, he held the first position as professor of Saxophone at the Conservatoire de Paris. Even if he did not play saxophone professionally I'd say that teaching it professionally should count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxman11 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

New format

Wow, the new table must have been quite an effort, Reisio! Cool! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks; it was worth it, I think. :) ¦ Reisio 15:25, 2005 July 29 (UTC)

BTW, Cannonball did play soprano on at least one album, Country Preacher. Good stuff. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Bass, contrabass, subcontrabass [tubax]

Interesting new layout. Would it be possible to add bass, contrabass, and subcontrabass? Or just a category "Lower saxophones"? I don't want to make the column too wide but there are people who use all of these instruments. Badagnani 19:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

The "Lower saxophones" (or the like) column sounds like a great idea if there aren't too many of them total - if there's a fair amount of course it'd make sense to give them all their own columns.
One thing we could do that would drastically reduce any possible concern for horizontal expansion is just replace "Soprano", "Alto", "Tenor" and "Baritone" with "S", "A", "T" and "B" (still wikilinked properly, and with an explanation at the top [which we sort of need anyways]). We could have a big column labelled "Bass", with "B", "C" and "S" underneath it for Bass, Contrabass & Subcontrabass - I'd suggest with footnotes for varieties like the Tubax. How's that sound? ¦ Reisio 03:16, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

It sounds simply smashing! Let us march forward into the brave new world of these saxophonist listings. (It's funny, I'm not even a saxophonist, though I play the sax's softer cousin, the oboe!) Badagnani 04:04, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

My sister has an excellent Lorée. :) ¦ Reisio 04:19, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

New columns setup. ¦ Reisio 04:19, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

The new layout is quite attractive. But it seems strange to have the C melody among such low/large saxes. Why your decision to put it next to the bass sax column? I do understand it's good to keep SATB unbroken. Badagnani 04:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

What about using a "C" instead of (or in addition to) an "X" in the tenor column? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:43, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. I've done that. I'm just putting it in the Tenor column (with the footnote for explanation). The C-melody he played had the curve in the neck, so naturally the less knowledgeable will equate it with a tenor, imo. ¦ Reisio 04:53, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Read last paragraph of this website. Looks like there are at least a half dozen C melody doublers out there. http://home.earthlink.net/~smoulden/scott/melody.html Badagnani 04:56, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

If you think it's justified, we can add a "C" column. No need to worry about columns getting crazy, either - I really will be colorcoding them a bit eventually. ¦ Reisio 05:03, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Could also just have a "C" footnote like so: X^c or X^C, which jumps to the note "this person doubles on C-melody", etc.. ¦ Reisio 05:08, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

My opinion is just to have no C column, just list under the "tenor" column by putting a "C" there instead of an X. If they play B-flat tenor and C melody, it can say "X+C." This will be more clear if there's a bit of explanation at the beginning (also a verbal list of what the columns mean, from left to right). Badagnani 05:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

The problem with "X+C" is that you're mixing something that's purely a "yes, this is used" indicator (for Tenor) with something that indicates type (not mere use of what the column is for). Just having something in the column indicates use of Tenor. How 'bout for people that use or double on C-melody, instead of "X" (or "X+C"), we just use "C" with a footnote (like what Trumbauer has atm) saying something like "This person plays or doubles (along with use of Tenor) on a c-melody saxophone"? ¦ Reisio 05:28, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm not sure how to do that and footnotes seem complicated, so I can leave it to you...if I find more C melody people I can just add the C and let you fix it? (Sorry!). I just realized, also, that the "c" next to bass sax is for "contrabass," not "C melody." Badagnani 05:30, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, how about this... when someone uses (or just doubles along with tenor) a C-melody, just put a lone "C" in the Tenor column (instead of a lone "X"). I will add to the explanation at top that "C" in the tenor column means the C-melody is used, either by itself or doubled with Tenor. What do you think? ¦ Reisio 05:34, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Y'know... I think I'll just add a "C" column for the C melody. :p What's one more column? - Especially when it doesn't confuse the use of Tenor and more people seem to play it than Subcontrabass, which has its own column. If you guys stay up adding C melody guys, the single "C" or "X+C" will be fine - I'll split it into a new column tomorrow (or at least a few hours from now). ¦ Reisio 06:01, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

If it's okay with you, Badag, I'd like anything that's called "an alto", even if it's called "an F alto", to just be encompassed with the normal "X" for the alto column. The individual articles for the player or group can explain interesting stuff like that (or we could add a footnote link...I'd just prefer to keep it at one character [or one _main_ character, if using footnote] per cell). ¦ Reisio 05:49, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Sorry to be away so long--I was just creating a C melody page. Your ideas seem okay, especially since we didn't even mention the C soprano (!), saxello, Conn-O-Sax, or slide sax! It could get too complicated. To my mind, the C sax is really closest to tenor and the F sax is closest to alto (though that one is called "mezzo soprano"). Not sure what time zone you're in but I'm running out of gas for tonight. Badagnani 06:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, one more thing to think about. Vinny Golia plays a soprillo (which is a "sopranissimo" sax) and also the straight alto (which he calls "stritch," like Roland Kirk. Can you think of a way to include those somehow? Maybe via footnote. Badagnani 08:25, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Dan Plonsey

Is "Dan Plonsey" really worthy of being on this list? Where do we draw the line of who is accomplished enough to make the list?

You have a point, but this particular guy is a pretty well known experimental sax player, and is on probably dozens of CDs. I think he tours a lot and is known in Europe. There are actually "notability" criteria in the WP statutes and I think he would fit at least a few of the criteria.

(Then again, if the last post was made by Plonsey himself (or one of his pals), "having a laugh," then I'll have a chuckle.)Badagnani 22:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

The same goes for John Butcher... Also read the next (more general) topic.

Relevance

Why list Han Bennink and not his brother (Peter), and Why not list Anne Zwaga? If the norm is one's influence or activity, I would list Sean Bergin (VPRO Boy Edgar price winner) and Anne Zwaga (Played on the North Sea Jazz Festival). As a matter of fact Han playing the saxophone is not even mentioned on his wikipedia page!

I started something on Sean Bergin, but I slept so poorly it's probably riddled with errors. Hope those interested can fix it.--T. Anthony 02:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, why not? Although I've never heard of any of these people. Please sign your posts. Badagnani 19:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

That would probably be because they are more or less Dutch, and so am I (but hé Amsterdam was part of COBRA!). I think some guidelince must be stated. Number of CD's? Mentioned as influence? Books on theories? Major festivals? Yes, I'll sign now: Jouke 19:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

AFAIK there is but one requirement to make this list: that the person plays some type of saxophone enough to be identified as a "saxophonist". Add whoever you like that fits that criterion. ¦ Reisio 02:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Usually we add people who are notable in some way for their performances and/or recordings. Badagnani 03:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

"Rock" saxophonists

am doing a little work on Rock (disambiguation) and note that all the rock saxophonists have ended up in Rock and Roll and not Rock (music), which i feel would be more appropriate. of course some may be rock and roll saxophonists, but i would leave that to those more knowledgable about the instrument. comments?

R7 23:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Good work. I think there may be a handful of pre-1960s "rock and roll" (i.e. rhythm and blues) saxists in the list for which "rock" wouldn't be appropriate. Why not make a list here of the ones you want to change if you aren't familiar with them? Badagnani 23:43, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

ta. here are my suggestions for what we have:

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David Bowie | Rock (music) | change

Clarence Clemons | Rock (music) | change

John Helliwell | Rock (music) | change

Liu Yuan | ?? | presently Rock and roll

Angelo Moore | ?? | presently Rock and roll

Walter Parazaider | Rock (music) | change

Rudy Pompilli | Rock and roll | stet

Boots Randolph | Rock and roll | stet

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how's that look?

R7 00:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Liu Yuan plays in Cui Jian's rock band, which is pretty heavy; Angelo Moore plays in Fishbone, which is a pretty heavy band with funk and ska influences; you can change both to rock. Badagnani 00:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Reisio, the changes were good before you reverted; it is true that the term "rock and roll" is generally used for the earliest R&B-style music and most musicians of the '60s and later prefer the term "rock." Badagnani 13:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, people are Talk:'ing too fast for me these days or I'm going too slow. I'll step aside and let you guys do your business. ¦ Reisio 14:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• I'm not confident with editing a table of this kind but would suggest coloring the columns and adding the following players:

King Curtis tenor | Rock and Roll & Soul

Bobby Keys tenor, bari | Rock

Dick Parry tenor | Rock

Davey Payne alto, tenor | Rock (Ian Dury)

Don Burrows alto | Jazz

Mel Collins bari | Rock

Eric Leeds soprano, bari | Rock & Funk

Design 08:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Great info, why not give it a shot yourself? Just "copy" and "paste" a player, then substitute the new info. You can use "preview" to check it worked before saving your edits. Badagnani 08:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Questionable edit

I do not know how to revert a page...but in the list of saxophonists, it seems Pat Patrick, who seems to be a real saxophonist, was replaced by Alex Patton--and google for "alex patton saxophone" doesn't seem to turn up anything.--Todd 18:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Todd--good call. I've fixed it. To revert a page, go to the page's "history" tab (at the top), select "compare selected versions" (after moving the dots so you can compare the two you want). Then, if the older of the two is the one you want to revert to, click the heading for that article which says "Revision of...," then click the "edit" tab, then "save page." You'll then be reverted to the version you prefer. Badagnani 19:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

What?!?!

Why in the world is Bill Evans on the list? A person even vaguely familiar with jazz should know that Evans is a pianist, not a saxophonist. I don't believe that he is confused with another Bill Evans, but if he is, the link still leads to the jazz pianist and not to the alleged saxophonist.

There is indeed a fairly well known saxophonist named 'Bill Evans'. ¦ Reisio 23:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

For the person "vaguely familiar with jazz": Saxophonist Bill Evans played with Miles Davis ca. 20 years after pianist Bill Evans did. Check out We Want Miles e.g. Moreover, saxophonist and multi-instrumentalist Yusef Lateef recorded under the name Bill Evans with Dizzy. :) ---Sluzzelin 20:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

E r i c D a r i u s

He is very new but he is very good, someone please add him to the list! his website is here

Some strange omissions

Just added Bennie Maupin, King Curtis, Emilio Castillo, Courtney Pine. If they're missing, I suspect other equally notable names are! Stevekeiretsu 06:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess that's what you're here for! Nice work. Badagnani 06:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Abi Harding ?

194.46.166.131 23:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought - where would an artist like Fela Kuti fit into this list?

What size(s) did he play? Yeah, he should be added. Badagnani 06:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

More additions to consider: Oliver Nelson, Steve Grossman, George Coleman, Gary Thomas, Jane Bunnett, Gigi Gryce, Marshall Royal, Frank Foster, Lennie Niehaus, Tina Brooks, Lars Gullin, Gene Quill, David Sanchez, Gary Smulyan, Don Lanphere, Erik Kloss, Brandon Fields, Eric Marienthal, ... --Marcozarco (talk) 06:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

If you know the sizes they play, go ahead and add them. I know about half these names. Badagnani (talk) 06:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Kenneth Edge

I saw Kenneth Edge in Riverdance, he played soprano saxophone. Is he notable enough to be mentioned? Do someone have any info about him? --ru:User:Nagash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.46.172 (talk) 18:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Gear list

Would be nice to use this page as a central info page for sax gear list (which is always interesting for saxophonists) ... I added the David Sanborn gear list as an example ... of course we would need to come up with a simple gear list nomenclature for clarity (I'm ok to propose one). The gear list would include : sax, mouthpiece, reeds and (maybe) ligature type. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.121.66.147 (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think adding this is a very poor idea. It should be in the individual articles for the individual musicians. Badagnani (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

It's just too much information; the table becomes useless if it isn't simplified and easy to read. The data would also need its own column(s) instead of piggybacking, and while such a comprehensive database would be nice, that's just what it would need to be… a database setup for queries/searching, which is pretty far out of the project's scope. There are just too many variables (makes, models, sizes, types) to include this sort of data here without making it pretty useless. ¦ Reisio (talk) 22:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

In the above light, please remove the gear and move it to the individual players' articles. Thank you. Badagnani (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Lars Gullin

I don't know how to edit that table thing but I really think Mr Gullin, who is mentioned in the english Wikipedia, should be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.35.86 (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I just added Lars! DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 05:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Greg Abate

Does the list intend to include all notable saxophonists (e.g. everyone in List of jazz saxophonists)? If so I guess Greg Abate. I don't know much about the field so can't add him myself. Nil Einne (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Mystery horns

I hope Wikielwikingo doesn't mind the edit I made a while ago to Ernie Watts' entry. By moving his "mystery horn" info to the footnotes area, I made the Tenor column look more normal. Now, does anybody know the meaning of the "X+F" in the Alto column for several players, e.g. Anthony Braxton? DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 14:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, 68.0.49.87, for your "F explanation"! I never heard of the instrument, but I'll take your word for it. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 02:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Leo Green

should be on this list

Now he is! DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Tina Turner's saxophonists

Why aren't Tina Turner's Saxophonists on here? Deric Dyer, Euge Groove and Tim Cappello. Groove has done two tours with her and Cappello at least five. Cappello has also played with Peter Gabriel, Ringo Starr and Carly Simon as well as appearing in the Movie "The Lost Boys" playing the Sax. I don't really know how to add all that and the links or I would do it myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.211.119.1 (talk) 10:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I just added Euge Groove and Tim Cappello to the list. The rule of thumb for inclusion in the list seems to be that they must have a wikipedia article. Deric Dyer doesn't. Would somebody like to write one? DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, 121.211.119.1 (talk, for correcting the entry I added for Cappello. I had never heard of the guy and wasn't sure how to categorise him. DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 06:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Propose "List of classical saxophonists"

Would anyone be in favour of creating a split off list of classical saxophonists such as there is for jazz saxophonists? I am happy to create it myself but want to get others' opinions before going to the effort. As it is, the list of all saxophonists is very long and takes a fair amount of trawling through to find players in the genre you're interested in. Please comment with support/oppose. Storeye (talk) 11:29, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete list

You need to add Ole Mathisen to this list. Originally from Norway, but currently living and playing in New York City; http://www.olemathisen.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hnoss Design (talk • contribs) 13:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC) https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Ole_Mathisen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hnoss Design (talk • contribs) 13:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Image?

Of all the saxophonists in this list, jazz, rock, swing, classical, we choose to use one of Bill Clinton?? Now I'm sure Bill may be the best ever sax-playing POTUS, but I know who I'd rather have. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)