Talk:List of politicians killed during the 2024 Mexican elections

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Reduce the scope?

Move to List of candidates killed during the 2024 Mexican election cycle, or similar? I can't imagine anyone is going to go trawling through press stories from 6, 12, or 18 years ago to fill out the empty-but-implicit sections. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The 2024 cycle is already notable enough both in the current attention being paid to it and the sheer number of fatalities. I imagine enough pixels will be spilled over this pattern in this election cycle (filling in the context, following up on the findings of reports, how the gov't responds, etc.) that the content will eventually be enough to support its own page. And you're right, unless there's someone who's already super interested enough in Mexican electoral politics on EngWiki to go back and fill in the notable deaths in past election cycles, I imagine those will stay blank for a while. BluegrassBolshevik (talk) 00:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

>40 politicians killed in single selection cycle?

More than 40 candidates murdered in a year? What a joke country. Why hasn’t the US fortified the border with such an utterly backwards shithole? 2A04:4A43:401F:D8E0:CC1F:D2B9:8776:8991 (talk) 11:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donald? Is that you? Moscow Mule (talk) 20:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 post-election murders

Alejandro Arcos "The mayor of the capital of Mexico's violence-plagued state of Guerrero was killed on Sunday less than a week after he took office" he was decapitated "just three days after the new city government's secretary, Francisco Tapia, was shot to death." Enri999 (talk) 21:03, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think we should add any post-election murders ranging from election day to before September (when election litigation ended). EchoLuminary (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits have taken us into October, and this month we've had a congressman and the mayor of Tancanhuitz, SLP, killed. How does the idea of cutting off as of 1 October and starting List of politicians killed during the presidency of Claudia Sheinbaum (or something else: by years, splitting this one into 2023 & 2024?) sound? Moscow Mule (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support splitting by presidencies. Although then we'll have multiple articles with similar scopes. List of politicians killed in the Mexican drug war already splits them by presidencies but only covers drug war related deaths (yes, most of the murders are related to the drug war but not all of them)... so if we do create articles by presidencies, I would propose merging all politician assassination articles into their respective presidencies.

On a side note, I created this article as a way of listing all assassinations during the 2024 election cycle as part of the 2024 Mexican general election article's background section. Don't know if there's a way to distinguish candidate deaths in the new articles (although it's not necessary).

I'd assume most of this article would go to List of politicians killed during the presidency of Andrés Manuel López Obrador. EchoLuminary (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd forgotten about List of politicians killed in the Mexican drug war. That complicates matters: redundancy, duplication, etc. (But, FWIW, no one official yet is saying either of the killings from December I noted above were drug-related.) Moscow Mule (talk) 21:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support starting a talk page in order to split List of politicians killed in the Mexican drug war into seperate articles and merge the ones here with List of politicians killed during the presidency of Andrés Manuel López Obrador. Some of the deaths here in this article are not proven to be drug war related deaths (even if speculation exists, it is not official), so they would not fit in the drug war article. Giving an article the scope of all politicians killed during a given presidency may solve this issue (we can add related context in the lede, such as background to the drug war or election cycles). EchoLuminary (talk) 21:53, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the deaths here in this article are not proven to be drug war related deaths... The same could well apply, actually, to a lot of those listed on the other article (eg, Eduardo Castro Luque, to pick a random example from those with articles: no RS indicating narco-involvement). So that'd be another advantage of what you're proposing. (During the Mexican drug war rather than in would probably be a better title: more wriggle room.)

Still, your suggestion is a lot more work than either of mine. Are you down for it? Moscow Mule (talk) 23:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC) And congrats on no longer being a red link.[reply]

Yeah, I'm up for it. Now I'm just thinking on how to structure this change. I've thought of two possibilities:

The new list articles are created. Most of the tables in Politicians killed in the Mexican drug war are ported over to the new articles and a main article template is used to redirect to the new articles. With this, the lede in the ...killed in the Mexican drug war article is kept and does not have to be repeated for each article.
The new list articles are created and completely replace the Politicians killed in the Mexican drug war article.

Am thinking of option #1.

Am also considering placing an "Events" section in each article that highlight relevant events. Example:

20 November 2023: Start of 2023-2024 election cycle.
9 September 2024: A conflict erupts between the primary factions of the Sinaloa Cartel.

(Thanks, was tired of seeing it red.) EchoLuminary (talk) 00:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. And Yes, I think #1 is the way to go. What this article has but is missing from the other one is the brief narrative box, but that can be fixed/added. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now what is done with this article? I'm in the process of creating the AMLO and Sheinbaum articles. EchoLuminary (talk) 00:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either:

Set it in stone covering the period from 20 Nov 2023 to 30 Sept 2024. No incidents outside those dates allowed. For killings prior to / after that date, see...
Make it a dab page pointing to the AMLO and Claudia articles. Copying the relevant parts of it to those articles, of course.

No. 1 is probably the less disruptive of the two options. Maybe No. 2 five or ten years down the line. But yeah, we don't want entries here that occurred after inauguration day (and that's admitting the loosest possible interpretation of "the electoral cycle"). Moscow Mule (talk) 01:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we kept this article, wouldn't there be similar entries between the new articles and this one? (and by similar I mean exactly the same cause I just ported them over to the new articles). I do like #1, but feel that the duplication issue comes up.

Also strictly speaking, the electoral cycle was between 20 November '23 and 2 June '24. I did say a while back that we could include anything "before September (when election litigation ended)", but that was already stretching it. If we kept, I would suggest not allowing anything past election day, as the rest of post-election can be found in the AMLO article. EchoLuminary (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Let's stick to the INE calendar. Cutoff at 00h00 on 3 Jun. Also reduces the overlap with the new articles. Unless you really want to "make it a dab page" per my suggestion above: I certainly wouldn't revert you, but maybe it's a bit soon (see "five or ten years down the line", above) to lose so much edit history. And being able to link here (rather than to 2 separate articles) from the 2024 election article is nice.

But you're doing the donkey (heh) work. Your call. Moscow Mule (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's do the cutoff on 3 June as you said. I'll remove the electoral period entries form the AMLO article and I'll link them in the lede.

Now another question regarding the scope of this article (lol): should this article exclusively contain entries regarding assassinated politicians who were candidates/aspiring candidates OR should this article contain any assassinated politician during the electoral cycle? Juan Pérez Guardado is an example of a politician who was not a candidate but killed during the cycle. EchoLuminary (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I was wondering about his inclusion even before this discussion. I was going to argue "completeness' sake" (family connection ups his profile, of course) but again, your call. Moscow Mule (talk) 02:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These cases can be moved to the new articles. I'll move any non-candidate politicians to the AMLO article. EchoLuminary (talk) 02:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]