Talk:List of people from Vermont

Formatting

Why do we need to divide this list up into sections for each letter and why do we need a table of contents? This is currently a very short list and could be much more straightforward. --MatthewUND^(talk) 21:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably not as short as when the above comment was made, but breaking it up by job is probably better though real difficult at this point. That way people could at least easily screen out people that aren't that notabie in areas they are familiar with. Right now the list is being nearly ignored. Needs more eyeballs.Student7 14:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability

We need to screen folks better on this list. A person notable at the Vermont level should be more noted than a governor (we've had lots of those), US Senator & US Congressman and Supreme Court Chief Justice (plenty of those since Vermont's founding). Their achievement must be superior to those. So Kunin and Dean can stay. Kunin was Ambassador. Dean - Democratic Party chair.

Barbour Lewis should be easy to dispose of. He became a congressman in another state. Too low for this list. I recommend deletion.

Why is Jan Backus on here? If she headed the EPA, that would certainly qualify her. But what is "administrator?" Is that high enough? Opinions please. Student7 01:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I suspect military rank should be LtGeneral or higher. Cabinet rank in US Government. Ambassador to major nation. So maybe Kunin shouldn't be on here.

The person should be either immediately recognized as someone an outsider should know (Like Calvin Coolidge or Sinclair Lewis) - or would want to know (like Snowflake Bentley).Student7 14:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I've changed my mind on the Civil War generals - maybe can accept regular Major Generals - McClelland started off as a Major General as did other notable leaders.Student7 23:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is Ben Affleck on this list? It says in the first few sentences on his article he is from California, in the exact opposite side of the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usingpond (talk • contribs) 06:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Because he is a alumus of UVM. The comment probably needs footnoting. Student7 (talk) 12:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

This list is arbitrary. First set up a criteria, second create bounderies by defining subject 3) try doinga New York Times search or SOMETHING. There need to be more SIGNIFICANT cultural notables, not Pop Culture musicians etc who have a short shelf life. Classical musicians are notable because they contribute to the CULTURE of a society, not entertainers.65.183.134.122 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

A great idea! Go ahead and propose something! It tends to be different in different locales. Pop musicians would never make it in NYC for example. But a bare minimum standard is that there must be an article which is accepted as a sign of notability by the Wikipedia editors. Articles are usually not needed in Vermont towns except maybe Burlington. But all entries towns or city or state need some footnote from a reputable source a) defining notability (at the local level) and b) that the person actually lived or llves in Vermont. This is often missing from this list but needs back-adding.

I regret that the list of notables at most local levels is indeed dominated by pop musicians and athletes both with a short shelf life. And there are zillions of both since there are so many teams and so many sports and kids with a lot of money to spend on mostly bad music. It seems silly to me too, but you can't fight 'em.

And it is going to get a lot worse before someone straightens it out. More and more non-notables are getting articles despite barriers. We'll all be in here one day!

You can nominate articles for deletion BTW. Sometimes this works! Good luck! Student7 (talk) 01:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

@Student7: It appears that no more restrictive criterion was developed to make this list different than what one might find in a category listing. The criterion for inclusion in this list should be emphasized in the lead sentence. Judging by the current entries, that criterion should become, "The following is a list of prominent notable people who were born in the U.S. state of Vermont, live or lived in Vermont, or for whom Vermont is a significant part of their identity and who have entries in Wikipedia".

As it stands, there are many notable individuals, whose entries are commented out for falling below an ill-defined bar, which is well above the degree of notability of others who are currently included in the list.

I support the more inclusive list, which allows the reader to scan the one-liner explanation to decide whether an entry is worth clicking on. See my entry under Talk:List of people from Vermont#Notability guidance, below.

Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 14:11, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Jeffrey Hollender

The above article is undergoing an Afd. It may survive. But even if it doesn, the person needs notability outside of Vermont. If the Supreme Court Chief Justice and Governor doesn't belong here, neither does Hollender!Student7 (talk) 14:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Image placement

I notice that someone using an IP address has repeatedly placed an extra image at List of people from Vermont. I'm sure that this is well-intentioned and that the image has appeal to the person doing so, however it doesn't conform to Wikipedia:Image use policy#Content, which says: "The purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central." The image that keeps bouncing back does not demonstrably fit that criterion. If you feel that it does, please discuss it here. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 21:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Notability guidance

Please see WP:LISTPEOPLE for guidance for including people in this list. Basically, a person is typically included in a list of people only if all the following requirements are met:

• The person meets the Wikipedia notability requirement.
• The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources.

User:HopsonRoad 03:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Citations needed?

I note that a number of entries have a Citation needed tag. I suggest that, if the link leads to an obvious reference to birth, residency, or other connection with Vermont, the tag can be removed. What do others think? User:HopsonRoad 15:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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