Talk:List of longest caves

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100 km cut-off

Recently the definition of this article was changed to caves over 80km with no valid reason for doing so. It's been 100km forever, so I'm not sure why the change. And what would stop someone else from lowering the bar to say 75km, or 50km? In my opinion, I don't think we need to go below 100km. Let the caves get surveyed into the 100km category rather than trying to include more and more caves. We don't need to include "long caves of the world", we only need to included the "longest". And currently the article does that just fine. Leitmotiv (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Leitmotiv, why do you want to limit the list to cavities greater than 100 km and not 80 km. By putting the limit at 80 km of the historical countries (Italy, United Kingdom) :appear. In wikipedia.fr, we set the limit at 25 km.[1]

Friendships of a French speleologist. --Biboc (talk) 07:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Biboc: You should be having this conversation on the talk page of the article in question. First, this is the English-based Wikipedia where English speaking countries take precedent. We don't base things on the preference of Italy, because this is the English wiki (and vice versa). The limit appears to be arbitrary when the original creator of the article set it up. I personally like 100 because I see no need to list hundreds of caves for little gain. I'm sure we will start to find many of those included will not have an associated article. Please continue this conversation at the article so others have the opportunity to chime in. Leitmotiv (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

The creator of the article had put the caves of + 200km (May 5, 2010) and I had on May 15, 2021 put more than 100 km. I lowered the limit to 80 km (50 miles) to show countries that had a history in exploration (Italy and United Kingdom) --Biboc (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears you are correct. It looks like you got accommodated with your original edit that changed it to 150km initially. Then you did it again to 100km. And again to 80km. It appears you are moving the goal posts without a clear reason. I'll concede 100km is a fine edit. It doesn't dramatically increase the list, but it's a clear and well rounded number to end on. I see no reason to continue to move the goal post to 80km and so on. I'm willing to be swayed, but so far it appears you just keep extending the limit to include more caves without justification. This isn't a list of all the long caves, it's a list of the longest, which imo, should be the upper crust of the long caves. The problem with lists is that they can continually be added to and can become unwieldy. This isn't a list of long caves, this is a list of the longest, and we've accomplished that. Leitmotiv (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1791?

Mammoth Cave wasn't "discovered" in 1791. Human remains have been found in it, dating from centuries prior. Shouldn't the discovery date be given as no later than the radiocarbon dating of those remains? 173.71.191.229 (talk) 02:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]