Talk:List of largest shopping malls in the United States

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Sources

Most of the sources no longer work, as such this put into question this whole article. Works needs to be done to find new sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.76.243 (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Still seems to be lacking on 24 April 2015... 148.177.1.211 (talk) 16:30, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Millcreek Mall

I don't believe the Millcreek mall is 4th largest. The table claims the it has 241 stores, but the mall site itself claims only 175 stores http://www.millcreekmall.net/store/index.ch2 This source puts the mall at 12th largest http://www.easternct.edu/depts/amerst/MallsLarge.htm Square footage also differs in this source. I believe we need to find better sources for this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.180.215.249 (talk) 03:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree. I visit this mall once a week its not anywear as big as this information suggests. Ive been to bigger malls in denver colorado that dont even make this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterzman (talk • contribs) 18:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Masterzman (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The information about the GLA is correct, however, we are comparing apples to oranges. The square feet listed for Millcreek includes the ancillary buildings adjacent to the mall. The other malls (I am guessing) are all under one roof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.160.90 (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The mall is just over 1.1 million square feet in retail space. The outparcel stores are included in the retail space numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.56.169.16 (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plaza Las Americas

At 2.1 million sq ft of GLA and being in a US territory, it should be listed! --Reefpicker (talk) 05:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree; Puerto Rico is US territory, so San Juan's Plaza Las Americas deserves to be on the list. Here's the info; I'd do it myself but I have no idea how to format it:

Ranking: 14;

Name: Plaza Las Americas;

Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico;

Retail Space: 2.1 million square feet;

Stores: 300;

Anchor Stores: Macy's, Sears, JCPenney, Borders, Caribbean Cinemas, Galaxy Lanes

Please someone format that info into the rankings Hihellowhatsup (talk) 08:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Natick Mall

Keep an eye on the Natick Collection (Natick, Massachusetts), which is currently adding an additional 600,000 square feet or retail space to their existing 1.4 million square feet. It should be complete sometime in 2007.

Even after the addition, it would not make it on the list. MrKIA11 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it would, it's the 12th largest mall in the US, or the Natick Collection article is wrong. Gamersedge (talk) 19:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

King of Prussia

King of Prussia Mall does NOT beling on the list because the three sections are managed separately (Just like Tysons Corner and Tysons Galleria) and Phipps Plaza and Lenox Square. Even if King of Prussia did combine together, it would still be less than SCP (as the website says King of Prussia is the largest mall by retail on the east coast). SCP is the largest in the nation by retail size. Mall of America is largest in general. -- Sarasote 20 July 2006

Eastern's omission of KOP as "separately managed" does not make sense. See talk:King of Prussia Mall for further details.Jzerocsk 17:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Palisades Center

At least one is obviously missing: Palisades Center of West Nyack, New York would be the second-largest on this list, both by retail space (2,850,000 sq ft) and stores (400+, according to the article). —Cuivi é nen 06:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is now on there where it belongs. MrKIA11 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phony data?

Does the Palisades Center really have 2.8 million square feet of GLA? The website of its owner puts the figure about a million square feet below that Perhaps the mall has been expanded and they haven't bother to update their website, but the mall's own wiki entry says expansion plans were voted down. Can anyone provide evidence that this mall has 2.8 million square feet of GLA?

And how does Sawgrass Mills have 2.5 million square feet of GLA when its own developer's website states that, as of an expansion complete in May 2006 it has just over 2.2 million?

208.101.91.76 07:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those are too high, but all of the numbers on the list are referenced. MrKIA11 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes a mall?

How is Central Park considered to be a mall, let alone the biggest mall? Doesn't a mall have to be enclosed?

Not according to the Wikipedia definition of Malls - malls may be outside and interconnected. Central Park is a single development by a single owner, it just doesn't have a roof. It is a power center by industry definition, but a Mall/shopping center by common reference. It belongs here until someone makes a separate power center list and references it at the bottom for a more specific definition.

I think to most people there is a clear difference between a shopping mall and a power center. Mall may have a wide range of definitions (for example, being used in Europe and Australia to mean an pedestrian shopping street closed off to traffic, i.e.Queen Street Mall, Brisbane) but its seems pretty clear that in the context of this list is taken to mean an enclosed shopping mall, which would describe all of the entries currently on the list, but not Central Park. Also consider that the Mall of America has a 330,000 sq. ft. Ikea store built in its parking lot that isn't counted as part of the mall's gross leasable area. If a mall is just a collection of stores on a commonly owned piece of land, that Ikea store should count as part of the Mall of America. 208.101.91.76 09:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NorthPark Center (Dallas, Texas)

NorthPark Center is now the largest mall in Texas at 2.35 Million Square Feet. This list needs to be revised. Source: Dallas Morning News

Revise away. Make sure you include the source and place it accordingly. This isn't a static list. Alansohn 17:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lark Ridge Plaza

Why is this even on the list? It's a power center, not a mall. TenPoundHammer 01:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is no longer on the list. MrKIA11 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eastwood Mall, largest mall in America?

According to Eastwood Mall (Niles) and Yahoo News, the Eastwood Mall Complex in Niles, Ohio is the largest mall in America based on square footage Marshbeck 20:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is. MrKIA11 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've been to the Eastwood Mall, and while it is a good sized mall, it's no where near as big as the other ones on this list. It only achieves that square footage by including a whole whack of big box stores that are clustered around its parking lot. To me, a bunch of box store don't equal a mall. A mall needs to be enclosed under one roof. 24.150.188.125 01:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have never been there, but the square footage numbers are all from the International Council of Shopping Centers. Maybe the mall's wiki page can help explain. MrKIA11 00:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If thats true that big boxes are included and NOT enclosed or linked, then it doesn't necessarily qualify as a mall but a complex. If that were so then many big box centers in Minnesota would take over this list. .:DavuMaya:. 15:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly so, this page http://www.easternct.edu/depts/amerst/MallsWorld.htm does not include the Eastwood Mall in its list of largest in the world. Maybe Eastwood should evaluated and moved out and mentioned in the article but probably should not be on the list proper. .:DavuMaya:. 16:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A professor at the university just replied to my inquiry:

"I am as perplexed as you are. I looked up the Eastwood Mall in the highly respected Directory of Maor Malls, my main source, and it lists the mall at about 1.6-million square feet of gross leaseable area. This information is provided by the mall management itself. The number of size of its stores, reported in the Directory and from the mall's own web site, is consistent with this figure. "

I don't think the GLA reported in the International directory is correct, it must indeed include leasable space throughout the complex, not enclosed, the mall must own the other big box properties if that were so. MOA doesn't own the Ikea property or building so that would not count. As a result I would say that Eastwood Mall is not correct for this list, it should be incorporated into another list such as shopping complex. .:DavuMaya:. 12:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Canyon Pkwy

I live in Las Vegas NV, so when I saw "Grand Canyon Pkwy" on the list, I was confused cause I never heard of that mall. I tried to look it up online, and there is no website (which is strange for a mall now-a-days) and I went back to the page at it only has 10 stores in it. I am not 100% sure, but it looks like this is a strip mall, and not what this article is probably targeted to. I don't want to mess up the list by trying to delete it, but I think it should come off the list. Thanks!Chexmix53 (talk) 21:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I believe Grand Canyon Parkway is basically a glorified strip mall and NOT a mall, so it should be removed. TheListUpdater (talk) 21:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: It's not even on Google Maps. TheListUpdater (talk) 21:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Grand Canyon Parkway is a Strip Mall on Flamingo and Grand Canyon parkway. Super Sears, Target and a couple of other stores. Boca Park is MUCH Larger then Grand Canyon Parkway.

NorthPark Center

According to the reference and the ranking criteria, shouldn't NorthPark Center be ranked at #19? Postoak (talk) 05:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify, its currently at #18, tied with another place. I don't see the issue. .:DavuMaya:. 22:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected the issue...several times. Check the history. Postoak (talk) 22:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me also point out that the Largest shopping malls list produced by ECSU was updated and is significantly different from what we have listed. Do you want to do those changes? I do note the Alabama mall at the last position is definitely lower than what is reported. .:DavuMaya:. 22:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One or the other should work, but it appears the current references use the ICSC web page. Postoak (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Galleria in Houston

According to this website http://www.simon.com/mall/mall_info.aspx?ID=805 the Galleria is the 4th largest mall in the nation now. I'm not entirly shure if this is true but it says a new expansion has made it the 4th largest.-----ZackrocksP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.31.192 (talk) 21:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remember to note how this list is determined. Many malls in fact could be considered even larger based on pure square footage (ie: adding all the theaters and gyms and pools and gizmos), however we are looking specifically at retail space, that is how much space is to sell things to you. .:davumaya:. 23:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Randall Park Mall

Although on it's deathbed, I've added it to the list. It still operates with Sears and Burlington Coat Factory. The retail square footage is 2.2 million, although you'll see 1.5 million list on many websites. That's the internal portion of the mall; many of the anchor stores (or former anchor stores) own their own buildings (i.e. Sears) so their square footage is not included in sales brochures, etc. The WCPN link is including all retail sales space in the total mall. 209.159.98.1 (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Carousel Center

Apparently, they are putting the finishing touches on a new wing that will about double the size of the mall, making it 2.1 million square feet. It will be added soon, but Randall Park Mall is on its way out, so nothing much will get bumped out. TheListUpdater (talk) 21:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GLA mismatch - referenced versus leasing co. reported - read

Just a note to the many people that seem to reference a mall's website for GLA information - most mall websites are provided by the leasing company / owner of the mall proper and reference only the GLA that they own or manage. Many anchor store facilities are owned by the stores themselves (i.e. Sears, Macy's) and may not be listed on the mall website or leasing co. GLA because they are not managed or owned by the overall mall owner or leasing co. Therefore, a correct overall GLA would need to take into account ALL the areas (internal mall + anchor store space) which, many times, is the larger number you'll see referenced in news articles and other publications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.146.235 (talk) 06:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dethroning the King

Should King of Prussia Mall be broken up since it's really two separate malls (The Court at King of Prussia and The Plaza at King of Prussia) with only a covered walkway between them? I vote yes.TheListUpdater (talk) 19:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I realize this is an old thread, but this seems like the place to put a comment about KofP. The Plaza and Court are two separate clusters of buildings (for now[1]), but it is one mall. There is a single web site and a single majority owner (Simon) for both. Another strong indication for shoppers, is that all the map kiosks have a unified directory of both the Plaza and Court stores.

[1] There is a proposal working it's way through approvals to convert the pedestrian walkway connector into more retail space.

--J Clear (talk) 20:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pittsburgh Mills

I'm including Pittsburgh Mills on this list. If you take into account the Galleria at Pittsburgh Mills with 1.1 million square feet and the Village at Pittsburgh Mills at 900,000 square feet, that's 2 million square feet of gross leasable area. Some sources only take into account the Galleria's space and not the Village, but it is all one massive complex. Neurodistortion (talk) 02:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Del Amo Fashion Center

GLA is out of date (they recently expanded). Clicking the citation says that it is now 2.5 million, which would place it 5th on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.48.186 (talk) 05:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

KOP

According the retail numbers on the list it looks like KOP is bigger than Mall of America. What am I missing? isnt 2793 bigger than 2779? Skimaniac (talk) 03:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. I saw someone switched the order not too long ago. I suspect its because they think KOP deserves some kind of asterick explanation? I always think of Mall of America is the largest, but I understand KOP is actually too malls which are joined by some connecting walkway, so it could be said to be one mall.--Milowent (talk) 04:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The "connecting walkway" is a covered walkway linking two different malls: The Plaza at King of Prussia and The Court at King of Prussia. In advertising, they are sold as one mall, leading to the confusion. TheListUpdater (talk) 17:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Large Malls in Metro Detroit

Someone will want to take a look at some of the malls in metropolitan Detroit, as I'm sure at least one of them would be able to make the list:

Lakeside Mall: 1,550,450 million sq ft Oakland Mall: 1,500,000 million sq ft Twelve Oaks Mall: 1,500,000 million sq ft Fairlane Town Center: 1,500,000 million sq ft Somerset Collection: 1,450,000 sq ft Eastland Center: 1,415,557 million sq ft Great Lakes Crossing Outlets: 1,400,000 million sq ft Northland Center: 1,400,000 million sq ft

A few of these would probably make the list. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GLA (Gross Leasable Area) vs. GFA (Gross Floor Area)

If you check the references (usually ICSC) on some of the entries, the numbers do not match what is listed. This list is riddled with errors. A lot of the entries have the wrong 'area' of retail space listed; it should be GLA or the Gross Leasable Area and not GFA or gross (total) floor area of the mall. Please make sure that you are not mixing the two numbers. For example, the King of Prussia was on no.1 because it has the Gross Floor Area not the actual leasable area (please check the reference I added verifying 2.7 million is the total floor area).

Please follow the ICSC data because it is the standard as major malls are members of ICSC or International Council of Shopping Centers; they have the correct GLA on their directory. There should be another list based on GFA alone because GLA does not mean bigger mall. GLA is not proportional to the actual size of the mall. The ratio of GLA to GFA varies from mall to mall because not all areas in a modern malls are just for retailing alone of for other revenue generating businesses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briarfallen (talk • contribs) 21:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your reference for the King Of Prussa GLA is definitely not correct/complete, as it is only for the "Plaza" portion of the center. The listing included in reference #1 ("Largest Shoppping Malls In The US") appears more accurate. Cheers! Jzerocsk (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mall at Greece Ridge

The Mall at Greece Ridge has 1.6 million square feet of space, but it's not on this list. I'd add it but I'm not sure what the source is for the later entries on the list. Powers ^T 13:44, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

50 largest malls?

I was thinking of a few other malls that could make the list, then read this is the list of 50 largest malls in the US. I assume that's the agreed on limit? Adding more would probably make the list too long anyway...jeff (talk) 00:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we've got to cut it off either at a number of malls or at a particular square-footage. Though I still don't know where most of those numbers came from. Powers ^T 16:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we limit the this list to >2 million sq ft GLA [1] which I believe was the original criteria. If not we will soon see the local 7-11 being added here. Postoak (talk) 13:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, two million sounds like a good cut-off. If the numbers are correct, then this would give us 22 malls listed which seems reasonable. May be others out there that aren't on the list. One problem, though, is that we need to go through the recent edit history and correct some of the most recent additions. I see several places where malls were not moved down the list, but just written over and the numbering has gotten off some. We now have two stores listed as 53. Will see what I can do, but agree with limiting it to either over two million or just top 25. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The List_of_largest_enclosed_shopping_malls_in_Canada has 97 malls over 455K square feet. IMO the more information here, the better, since this info isn't easily found elsewhere on the web. But perhaps this article could be limited and the square footage and number of stores for smaller malls would be listed on List_of_shopping_malls_in_the_United_States. Hypertall (talk) 05:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

55?

Why is it 55? It would seem to me that the logical choice would be to cut the list off at 50, or at a rounded square footage or square meter number, but it doesn't seem like any of those are the case. So why is it 55?Schnapps17 (talk) 18:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Order and limit

I just undid a recent anon edit in order to put the largest leasable sq. foot mall back on top. This to match the stated criteria of the list in the intro. However I then hit the sort button on sq. ft. and realized there are other out of order malls. I could go fix the rest now, but I'd like to discuss an alternative. Seems like MoA and KoP are always going to be edited back and forth, so maybe the answer is to have nobody with a #1 in front and try to make the list less PoV. My suggestion would be to remove the first column entirely. And possibly edit the list into alphabetical order, reducing the temptaion to alter it. Readers can easily sort the list to their preference.

This brings up a second point. What is the cut off for the list. It was previously discussed limiting it to >2 million sq. feet. It's obviously blown by that. And of course every marketer wants their mall on the list, so where does it stop? >= 1.5 million sq. feet would put the list at a nice even 50. If you add in also having at least 200 stores, it cuts it to 41.

I'm not going to edit further, but would like there to be some consensus formed and documented. --J Clear (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was consensus earlier for >= 2mil. sq feet but never implemented. I just made the change. Postoak (talk) 02:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Returned list to original inclusion criteria Postoak (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Error?

I don't know how to edit wikipedia pages and I don't know the correct information or else I would edit this myself. In regards to #3 and #7 on this list, the sq ft listed in #7 is larger than that listed in #3 but the meters squared is larger in #3 than in #7. There is a math error somewhere. Having been to both malls before I would think Sawgrass is fairly larger than Aventura and should probably be #3 on the list but I could be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdorableAcushla (talk • contribs) 06:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mall Of America

I work for Mall Of America and provide the GLA and GBA/GFA data to everyone, with my sources being the as-builts and dimensions out of CAD. The current GLA of MOA is 3,234,141sf which includes the following: - IKEA (2003) which is on MOA land and will be physically connected in the next phase - Additional space gained from digging underneath the old Bloomingdales space for the new Forever 21 retail area (2012) - Radisson Blu hotel hotel (2013) - The new Phase 1C expansion which added 628,553sf of GLA for retail, JW Marriot, and leased office building (2015)

The total Gross Building Area / Gross Floor Area was originally 4.2Msf but is now 5,688,621sf post-expansions.

The proposed Phase 2B expansion will add an additional 825,000sf of GLA and 1,050,000sf of GBA.

The 4.8M sf of GLA referenced in the main page is inaccurate, and probably an old GBA estimate. It references a Star Tribune article from before the Phase 1C expansion and is not a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.42.164.30 (talk) 20:25, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We need a confirmed actual source. I have no doubt what you are saying is correct, but it's not considered a "reliable source". Also, I believe the list is only meant to include the actual mall itself, not unconnected retail on the property (like Ikea). Depauldem (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They need to add the new North Expansion to the sq. footage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.54.223.84 (talk) 21:25, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tyson's?

Am I blind or is Tyson's Corner Center not on the list? I think it's like 2.4 million square feet or something like that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shuik14 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just added it, although using the official source at https://www.macerich.com/Leasing/Tysons-Corner-Center it's only about 2.0 million square feet. Deltawk (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The number of usable floors in each building should be mentioned too.

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Incorrect Order

The malls listed at numbers 17 and 18 should be switched. The mall in Oak Brook is larger in square footage than the mall in Paramus. But the larger mall in Oak Brook is listed at #18, while the smaller mall in Paramus is listed at #17. These should be switched to help keep with the accuracy of Wikipedia. 2600:8801:1301:1900:139F:138E:C76A:652B (talk) 06:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]