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iPad Pro rear cameras

The Apple website has one of the rear cameras on both 11" and 12.9" iPad Pro models as a 10 MP camera. This article lists both rear cameras as 12 MP. Change? 154.160.14.85 (talk) 07:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Gi girl 2600:1700:8340:7920:B5FB:EDE1:D4D5:F415 (talk) 00:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary Anonymous user protection request

How about an anonymous user protection for this page for three months due to persist never-ending changing color codes to incorrect ones? Stephen"Zap" (talk) 18:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Word of warning

To anonymous users who are constantly editing this page, please stop editing unsourced claims until the products are actually obsolete or vintage. Stephen"Zap" (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is your second warning anonymous users. Stop with the unconfirmed edits or I'm requesting temporary protection from your edits a second time. Stephen"Zap" (talk) 01:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is your final warning anonymous users. Do it again or the temporary semi-protection is going to happen. Stephen"Zap" (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting arbitrary support changes

Over the past summer, changes have been made to support life cycle information that made a number of arbitrary changes. Let me go over them one by one on why they've been reverted.

1. The OS support date was split up between "Updates" and "Bug Fixes", not only is a bug fix a type of update - making these columns ambiguous - but the intended meaning is also not how iOS/iPadOS updates work. iOS 12 continued to receive feature updates after iPadOS 13's release, as did iPadOS 15 after the release of iPadOS 16. Putting the "Unsupported / Updates" date at the release date of OS version n + 1 is completely arbitrary. As a consequence, the release date of the last update has been put back as the end of support date, as has the date for the lifespan of the device.

2. "Support ending" was added as a support status. It is not a support status. Nor did its description actually give any clear indication of what it means. As no other variant of these tables uses it, it has been removed, because it too is completely arbitrary, and borders on WP:CRYSTAL. Ironically, a note was added to the top of the article begging other Wikipedians not to change designations without checking Apple's sources. Needless to say; there is no source for this either (it was also an incredibly clashing color, but I digress).

3. "SUPPORT ENDING" is - first of all - not something that needs to be capitalized (MOS:EMPHCAPS), and second is once again not a status as well, as also being WP:CRYSTAL. This was also inconsistently used in the iPad Pro section, helping to showcase how bad of a status label it is, as it clashed with the "Vintage" designation.

4. The wording of the legend descriptions is standardized across all iPad, iPhone, etc. pages. Changes were made to this table for no apparent reason than to just change the wording, these changes have been undone as well. The source note to Apple's documentation on what is obsolete and vintage has been kept, however, and may be something we'd want to apply to other pages as well.

Furthermore, I'd like to remind my fellow Wikipedians to not demand that changes are not undone or reverted just because you say so in your edit summaries, you do not WP:OWN this article, and frankly, edits like that deserve extra scrutiny. YannickFran (talk) 17:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been made aware that you've raised issues with the past edits. I'll try to address them here.

1. The distinction between updates and bug fixes is used in the iPhone article. Not to mention it is a noteworthy piece of information that shows when a device stopped receiving mainstream updates, and it also matters to many Apple device users.

2. Thank you for mentioning the problem with the "Support ending" status. It has been previously used in List of iPhone models but usually when the release dates for the upcoming OSes are announced. Personally, I believe including that support is ending soon (not as a support status but as a warning) is important to deter buyers from buying devices that are on the brink of losing mainstream support. Furthermore, a lot of your comment seems to deprecate my work warning against WP:NOR and comes off as bad faith.

3. Thank you for mentioning MOS:EMPHCAPS; I'll make sure it doesn't happen again. As for WP:CRYSTAL, Apple has already announced which devices will support iPadOS 18, hence there is no violation as far as I'm aware. As for the inconsistency, I will admit I have a skill issue regarding html and haven't learned how to color specific cells. That being said, any future introduction of "support ending" will not be used as a support status.

4. I didn't notice people were changing the legend descriptions, although I'm a frequent editor in this page. This shouldn't be happening without consultation.

Also, I do not believe I'm acting like I own the article or anything, and it is not my intention to come across that way. I urged individuals to think twice before changing the classification based on date alone, which was a widespread problem in the List of iPhone models article. Seeing these issues develop, I agree that these edits should be scrutinized and that the Apple devices lists need higher protection to prevent bad edits. INFIYNJTE (talk) 20:15, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]