Talk:List of footballers killed during World War II

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I think, looking at the inclusion criteria of this list, the article should be moved to List of professional footballers killed during World War II. At current, given that in 1939, few countries had professional leagues, this list will be limited to a handful of countries and is therefore mis-named. A List of footballers killed during World War II would be an impossible task, as the number of those would be in the hundredthousands worldwide. EA210269 (talk) 06:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree; football wasn't the professional game it is now back in the 30s, and having the qualifier "professional" will simply exclude the many amateur players who fought and died. However, I agree that a list of EVERY footballer to die would be far too large, and so we should only include NOTABLE footballers (i.e. those worthy of an article) on the list. Regards, Giant Snowman 09:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but then we properbly should change the intro which says:

Many former professional footballers lost their lives during World War II. These include:

This current inclusion criteria excludes all non-professionals, don't you think? What about making it a list for professionals and tier-one players, regardless of whether a countries top league was professional or not then? It would also keep the list in a resonable frame of size, and give us a chance of making it resonably complete on day. EA210269 (talk) 10:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me. I'll leave it to you to do, if that's OK. Cheers, Giant Snowman 10:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, mate, I rephrase the intro. EA210269 (talk) 10:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Sections rearranged

To help project better international and apolitical character to the list I have rearranged the country sections in alphabetical name order. (So pardon Germany coming before Great Britain and the Soviet Union appearing last!) I am aware of a French player who was shot for collaboration post- Liberation and a Dutch player (albeit with US nationality) who died in Auschwitz.Cloptonson (talk) 07:14, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the sections should be alphabetical. Giant Snowman 09:29, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Entry suspended, and suggestion for future similar circumstances

I have copied here this entry I have removed from the page (section Latvia) on the grounds the citations used indicate the date and place of death but not how he died or any military service. There is an article in Latvian wikipedia which states he was repatriated to Germany as a Baltic German, was in the German forces, and that he fell on the Eastern Front but the two Latvian language citations used in that article are unreadable to me. It can be reinstated on the page in event an indicative citation is found. If he was in the German forces he should be searchable on the German 'Volksbund' war graves agency website.

Alfrēds Plade – In one match for national football team (1923). Killed on the Eastern Front on 29 March 1944 aged 38.^[1]^[2]

Inspired by analogy with soccer, I would kindly suggest that those who would remove someone from the list on the grounds of no citations or insufficient ones not erase them without trace but relegate their entry to this talk page like an errant player being sent off field to the sidelines. This would reveal their existence to users who may be in position to locate better sources the opportunity to go and find them and make it possible for their entry to be reinstated. I periodically post up potential entries to this list in the WikiProject Football talk page that can be referred to, and updated/added to while the page is unarchived.Cloptonson (talk) 07:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have discovered a Latvian language biographical web page that is more informative to use as citation so on that basis he can be restored to the List.Cloptonson (talk) 21:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Alfrēds Plade". Olympedia. Retrieved 4 September 2020.
^ "Alfrēds Plade". EU Football. Retrieved 4 September 2020.

"no good"

Why? - Schrike (talk) 10:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You provided a bunch of inter wiki links to Russian wikipedia, with no explanation or sources. the entries should not be included without a) an English-language article b) some prose and c) reliable sources. Giant Snowman 11:00, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Olexi Klimenko, Mykola Korotkykh... without English-language articles. All sources are in Russian articles. - Schrike (talk) 11:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WIKIPEDIAISNOTARELIABLESOURCE. Giant Snowman 11:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are in Russian articles, not All sources are Russian articles. - Schrike (talk) 11:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said - WP:WIKIPEDIAISNOTARELIABLESOURCE. Saying 'go the sources are located elsewhere' is simply not good enough. Giant Snowman 11:57, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Not good enough" does not mean "delete". - Schrike (talk) 14:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dzevdet Mustagrudic - help with spelling please

I have added to the Yugoslavia section this player who has a wikipedia article but having problems getting the right spelling for the special characters in his name (they occur at the z of his forename and the final c of his surname). I cannot read very clearly at this time of daylight so help would be welcome.Cloptonson (talk) 19:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sidelined from the List (section Estonia)

I have decided to remove this entry to the talk page because there are doubts about the accuracy of his stated end:

Hugo Väli – competed internationally at the 1924 Summer Olympics and in the national team (1923–25). Deported to Siberia and died in Soviet prison camp at Sverdlovsk during 1943.^[1]

This version of events was stated in Olympedia's List of Olympians who died as result of war earlier this century. However both his sketch in Olympedia today and that in the Estonian source ESBL state he died on 22 September 1944 in Tallinn in Estonia and ESBL states he is buried at a cemetery in Tallinn. It begs questions as to whether he died in Soviet captivity. Someone with access to more Estonian sources than me might be able to find firmer evidence.Cloptonson (talk) 18:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with the removal, given the doubt and lack of explicit sourcing. Giant Snowman 18:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Alfrēds Plade". Olympedia. Retrieved 4 September 2020.

[2] "Alfrēds Plade". EU Football. Retrieved 4 September 2020.

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