Talk:List of enclaves in Pennsylvania

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Ooops!

I made a list like this on my own... didn't realize someone had already done it!! I'm such a dork.

I'm wondering if this might work better as a chart. And I'm wondering if CDPs should be excluded, as they're not municipalities. No biggie. PurpleChez (talk) 02:15, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be curious about what your chart would look like. If you'd like to do it, go for it. I think we should include the CDPs, as they are places and they are already included here. By the way, I enjoyed reading the fascinating article about William "Amos" Wilson, the Pennsylvania hermit. I grew up in PA and never had heard of him.

Jeff in CA 03:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

wow... it only took me five years to respond to this. I was probably thinking of a chart or list both the exclave itself and the municipality that it is surrounded by. Other notes where appropriate. Maybe map links. Sortable. PurpleChez (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"In" verses "surrounded by."

First, I really like this list. Good job.

I changed the wording to "completely surrounded by another municipality."

Boroughs, for example are separate municipal corporations from townships. Townships, even though completely surrounding a borough, have no role in governing or administrating the borough, and cannot tax it.

CDP's are a bit different, in that they don't have a separate legal identity. This might need to be explained a bit. J. J. in PA (talk) 02:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I really like this article too... I'm a map nerd and a life-long Pennsylvanian, so... But I also share your concern about including CDPs. The opening paragraph explicitly defines an enclave as being surrounded by an equivalent-level entity, but the CDP is not a political entity at all. PurpleChez (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CDPs again

I echo concerns that CDPs may be out of place in this article. An enclave, as generally understood in a political-geographic context, is a territory that is surrounded by another territory without being part of it. A borough surrounded by a township (in Pennsylvania) is a good example. But a CDP within a township is not separate from that township; the whole area within the CDP is also part of the township and subject to its laws and taxes.

Paxtonville
CDP

Middleburg
Borough

Franklin Township, Snyder County. The interior borough is obviously an enclave, but what about the CDP?

Lumping CDPs with municipalities in this article has quirky effects. For example, Indiana Borough (in Indiana County) is a municipal enclave entirely surrounded by White Township, yet is not counted in this article as an enclave, presumably because a portion of White Township that touches the borough is defined by the Census Bureau as a CDP. Yet, one can't leave Indiana Borough without entering White Township, so is the borough really not an enclave? The situation would be less messy if CDPs were excluded.

Indiana
Borough

Chevy Chase
Heights CDP

White Township, Indiana County

--T. Cadwallader Phloog (talk) 15:48, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that CDPs do not belong here. They are purely statistical constructs. —Tamfang (talk) 00:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]