Talk:List of compositions by Igor Stravinsky

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"Bluebird - Pas de deux"

I'm not finding any mention, either here or under Tchaikovsky, of Stravinsky's 1941 "arrangements for chamber orchestra of four short excerpts from Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty (Bluebird - Pas de deux) ... The one novelty, and non-Tchaikovskyan feature of the instrumentation, is the prominent piano part which helps to conceal the small number of strings. The interest in the arrangement, so far as my own music is concerned, is that the instrumental body is almost the same in my next opus, Danses concertantes." (Quote from Stravinsky's program notes accompanying his 1964 recording of this arrangement.)

Because Stravinsky did record this Bluebird -Pas de deux arrangement, and it was issued by Columbia together with other ballets of Stravinsky conducted by him, with no mention of Tchaikovsky or of The Sleeping Beauty other than in the program notes, this leads to some confusion for anyone trying to identify the original music. Is this even worth mentioning, either here or in the list of Tchaikovsky's compositions, or specifically in the discussion of The Sleeping Beauty, which does list a couple of other arrangements? Milkunderwood (talk) 04:50, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, yes and yes. I had never heard of this Stravinsky arrangement of parts of my favourite ballet, so I'm sure others would be interested to know if it as well. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 05:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the fast response. I am definitely not good at wikipedia-ing, and in any case would not know how to list them. I used to have an LP with this piece, which had Stravinsky's program notes, and now have at hand the CD set, with what seems to be the identical notes. In my quote above I omitted the first word, "My", so it should read "My arrangements [etc]". Then at my ellipsis I omitted "were commissioned in 1941 by a Mr. Richard Pleasant, for a drastically draft-reduced [i.e., the war draft in 1941] ballet company orchestra."

My CD is a 3-disc set Sony Classical SM3K 46292 Igor Stravinsky Edition: Ballets Vol.II. Disc 2 tracks 10-13 are Bluebird - Pas de deux: Adagio 2'00; Variation I 0'46; Variation II 0'41; Coda 1'37. Columbia Symphony Orchestra (Recorded in New York City, December 17, 1964); Igor Stravinsky, Cond.

So now you and everyone has the full amount of information about this that I have. :-) Probably more in fact, because I don't know where Bluebird's pas de deux occurs, and had been trying to find out.
Milkunderwood (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Catalogues

As noted in the French and the Dutch Wikipedia, some experts have catalogues with all (or most) of Stravinsky's compositions classified. I wanted to make a section in this article about it; however, it would be too long and potentially confusing. Should I create another article or should I create a section within this article? I'm not sure of what to do, nor am I sure about how to do it. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 00:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure I understand what exactly you propose. If it is additional lists by numbers according to Harry Halbreich, Clifford Caesar, and Eric Walter White numbers, I suggest the French approach with a single list/table which provides all numbers, as more suitable. I find the duplicate treatment at List of compositions by Ludwig van Beethoven wholly unsatisfactory. On the other hand, I have no idea of how widely used any of the Stravinsky numbering systems are and whether the effort is worth it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:15, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be convenient if compositions could be listed and sorted according to those numbers (e.g., List of compositions by Béla Bartók). However, I also think this article's current listing is great; I don't want to change it, but I think adding information about the catalogues would make it more complete. Given that, I was wondering about whether to create a new section with a table similar to that of Béla Bartók's works or to create a new article, in order to prevent this article from taking too long to load. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 12:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The current labelling of compositions into "Opera/Theatre – Ballet – Orchestral – ..." can easily be accomodated in a comprehensive table, very much like the Bartók table you mention. In other words, there should be 1 sortable table providing all the information. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I will start to work on it as soon as I can. Thank you. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 17:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Query: Was "Ode" really conceived as a ballet? Its title suggests it is "In memoriam Natalia Koussevitzky".Delahays (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Substitution?

Michael Bednarek and me have working on a sortable list that would include all the works (here's the link, so you can have a look: List of compositions by Igor Stravinky). It's still incomplete: it lacks arrangements and adaptations from other composers. Would you like to substitute it? Do you like this one better? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 19:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Four Russian Songs, for mezzo-soprano, flute, harp and guitar (1954)

In the process of trying to sort out which CD I own contains which works, I found that references to this work rarely, if ever, include the word "Russian". It is confused with the Russian Peasant Songs (a 1954 arrangement of the Four Russian Peasant Choruses of 1917) and the Four Russian Songs of 1919.

I have eliminated the word "Russian" from the title of this work.

The Four Russian Peasant Songs for female voice unaccompanied (1917) appears to be a conflation of the Four Russian Peasant Choruses of 1917 and the Four Russian Songs for voice and piano of 1919, but the situation is too muddled for me to be sure. If anyone reading has access to a definitive catalogue of Stravinsky's works and can resolve this mess, please speak up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floozybackloves (talk • contribs) 02:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the 1954 songs with flute, harp, and guitar are concerned, the "definitive catalogue" in Eric Walter White's 1979 Stravinsky: The Composer and His Works, second edition, says on p. 279: "With these Songs an element of confusion enters into the nomenclature of Stravinsky's works. Pn the title page of the first impression they are called 'Four Songs'; but in the running headline above the first song they appeared as 'Four Russian Songs'. In order to avoid confusion with the Four Russian Songs (38) and the Four Russian Peasant Songs (30), it is best always to refer to them as the Four Songs". The confusion begins with the fact that the first of these songs ("The Drake") is in fact an arrangement of No. 1 of the Four Russian Songs, no. 38 in White's listing. I would say you have made a wise edit here.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Canonic variations on the Christmas hymn Vom himmel hoch, da komm ich her

I am missing any reference to this arrangement by Stravinsky of JS Bach's work. Canonic_Variations_on_"Vom_Himmel_hoch_da_komm'_ich_her" Pemboid (talk) 09:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source for catalogs?

The various catalogs seem to have been added by User:Ron_Oliver but with no mention of where they were sourced from. Any ideas? What do the 'HH', 'CC' and 'W' even stand for? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 03:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are some of the catalogues made by different musicologists. W stands for Eric W. White, CC is Clifford Caesar and HH is Harry Halbreich. It somehow felt wrong to include references on top of the table. Ron Oliver (talk) 05:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- No catalogue of Stravinsky's works appears to be generally used. Grove doesn't mention any or use one in its list of works. Harry Halbreich's page doesn't even mention Stravinsky! The most referenced catalogue I can find is Helmut Kirchmeyer's K Catalogue. Hochithecreator (talk) 17:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Consider adding K numbers?

In order to link better with IMSLP DpMusicman (talk) 06:17, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cutting catalog numbers and merging sections

I think we should cut the excessive amount of catalog numbers here. Looking at FLs List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi and List of operas by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, they only include the most prominent catalog numbers for the composer (SV and K numbers, respectively). In my opinion, the KV catalog is the most appropriate to use for Stravinsky. If there are no objections, I'm going to remove the catalog numbers (excluding opus) and replace them with the KV numbers. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 19:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, I'd like to merge the two sections to make one large table. I feel that the two sections are unnecessary when we could just put a "Notes" column in the table. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 23:08, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Divertimento for Violin and Piano missing from list.

The 1932 arrangments of parts of Le Baiser de la fee by Stravinsky and Dushkin is missing from this list.