Talk:List of bisexual characters in animation

Angelica Pickles

Can someone tell me why Angelica from Rugrats is listed as bisexual? I don't recall any sort of confirmation in neither Rugrats nor All Grown Up, and searching outside sources reveals nothing. 108.231.112.225 (talk) 05:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of bisexual characters in animation

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of bisexual characters in animation's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "sparks":

• From List of lesbian characters in animation: "Sparks". RWBY. Season 7. Episode 5. November 30, 2019. RoosterTeeth.
• From List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2015-2019: "Secrets Galore / Sparks". Bloom Into You. Episode 7. November 16, 2018. AT-X.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Alucard Castlevania

Why is Alucard listed twice in this article? He is listed once in the 2010s category, and once in the 2020s category. For someone who has watched this TV show, please correct if this is an error. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KnittingAndBooks (talk • contribs) 22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, @KnittingAndBooks, not sure why Alucard was listed two times. I fixed it so he is only listed one time. Thanks for catching that. Historyday01 (talk) 00:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

TV SHOW: Allen Gregory

Would Jeremy De Longpre from Allen Gregory be considered bisexual? For example, as stated in this article, "Jeremy is actually heterosexual but left his wife and children for Richard, who offered him an easy, no-maintenance life as his trophy husband." Wouldn't Jeremy De Longpre be heterosexual instead because he is not attracted to both men and women?KnittingAndBooks (talk) 20:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean, it's never explicitly stated whether he is bi or not, but I think it is at least implied as he had a wife before he entered a relationship with Richard. That was my impression at least. Historyday01 (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for responding! If Jeremy is implied to be bisexual then should "Jeremy is actually heterosexual" be removed? It makes no sense that a man who is bisexual is labeled as heterosexual. Thanks!KnittingAndBooks (talk) 05:08, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that should be removed then. You can remove it, then I'll update the entry on the List of animated series with LGBTQ characters: 2010–2014 page. Historyday01 (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

TV SHOW: The Owl House

Luz Noceda from The Owl House needs more citations. Specifically, it needs credible citations here: "Luz Noceda, the main character of The Owl House, has shown explicit interest in men and women. As shown in the second episode, 'Witches Before Wizards' Luz meets a character named Nevareth, who she reacts to in a way similar to that of a small crush or infatuation. In the episode 'Lost In Language, she's shown to be blushing at both Edric and Emira Blight. A few episodes later, in 'Adventures in the Elements', she states, 'I've got a new crush, and her name is education'." If someone could find citations that would be great! Thank you!KnittingAndBooks (talk) 04:59, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, finding citations is the hard part, but I'll see if I can find something.--Historyday01 (talk) 16:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

The sexuality of Haruhi Suzumiya

in the first episode of the 2006 anime, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Haruhi and Kyon are having a conversation about dating. Within that conversation, Kyon asks, "Alright then, so what kind of guy would you have really been into, an alien or something?" Haruhi's response is, "Yeah, anything like an alien or something else along those lines. Anyway, as long as the person isn't an ordinary human, I don't care if it's a boy or a girl." Without a doubt Haruhi reveals she is bisexual so this info should be included in the article. TreeElf (talk) 16:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

This can also be interpreted as pansexuality as it involves aliens and a complete disregard for gender differences in general. On the other hand, if you leave out the running gags like bullying Mikuru, this issue is not raised anywhere else in the show after that. To the point that despite Kyon being her only close male friend, everyone considers only him as her love interest. Solaire the knight (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Sailor Moon

I have removed references to some Sailor Moon characters, as in two cases it was speculation/unauthorized sources (two of the three sources lead to CBR list with speculative content of a sensational and interpretative nature), and even a potential forgery in the third, since the source used for Makoto directly calls her "attraction" to Haruka a misunderstanding due to her desire to learn to be a strong and at the same time beautiful woman. I don't know if this was intentional or if the person just didn't notice, but it seems strange either way. Solaire the knight (talk) 16:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Otome Game Characters.

Leaving aside why the characters are listed so chaotically, I have a feeling that the assessment of the characters as bisexual is quite controversial. Simply because, if you follow the logic of the work, they are more likely to be pansexual than just bisexual, since their sexuality as such is never discussed and the lore very strongly implies that the characters have no preferences other than crush on whoever triggers certain plot flags in the story of the fictional game. In fact, the only character more or less close to bisexuality is Sophia (and if we're going into spoiler territory, the only person other than Bakarina who has a personality outside of the game), since she is the only one who combines attraction to a male and female character in real time. Solaire the knight (talk) 15:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

You are referring to Sophia, Maria Campbell, and Mary Hunt in My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom! right? I could have sworn I remember something on Talk:List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present about this but I didn't see anything, nor on Talk:List of animated series with LGBTQ characters (which has only been around since Nov. 2020) or on the old List of bisexual characters in anime talk page (prior to the merger). In any case, my memory is that they were added to the List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present page as a compromise. Originally I had added them to the page I split from as "lesbian" before they were split to the 2020-present list. I couldn't find the conversation, but for some reason this is stuck in my memory), but I could be slightly misremembering there. In any case, if they are in question, Maria and Mary should be removed, and maybe add something more about Sophia (assuming there is a reliable source on that). Otherwise, any discussion about all of them can remain on My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom!#LGBTQ. Historyday01 (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't question that Bakarina's harem is bisexual in nature, since we look at it from the perspective of Katarina, who has both male and female love interests. Although her own identity is a separate issue, given that in fact only Geordo and Maria can be called the main love interests. My question is that the reason for lesbian crush towards her lies not in bisexuality, but in the pansexual mechanisms of their world. But as far as I understand you, we do not have a separate pansexual list. Solaire the knight (talk) 18:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Right. I don't question that either. We do actually have a separate pansexual list though: List of fictional pansexual characters (it should probably be monitored a little more. I've tried to, but it's sometime hard to keep up with, and sometimes some badly sourced entries slip in). In any case, since their identities are in question, maybe they should be removed for now until we have more solid sources to back up that they are bisexual? In terms of your comment in the beginning "Leaving aside why the characters are listed so chaotically." Do you have suggestions for how to make it less chaotic? I'm completely open to changing how the characters are organized. Historyday01 (talk) 20:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

My only complaint was that they are listed separately and out of order. If you repackage them into a section about characters from one show, I won't have any issues with the design. As for deletion, as in the previous case, I suggest waiting for other users. If they don't exist, then it would actually be possible to move them to the list of pansexual characters. Solaire the knight (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Saki Saki

Mojo72400, this has never been confirmed because the phrase was taken out of context. People are well aware that she is a tsundere who says stupid things while trying to hide her jealousy and insecurities, but at such moments they somehow completely forget about it. She saw MC kissing three other girls and tried to come up with a reason to get involved too. And before this there is a scene where she jealously looks at him kissing the girls separately, trying to pretend that she is not jealous of him. So, as I said, this was not any confirmation, this was a continuation of the running gag with a jealous Saki. Almost all of this evidence is simply scenes taken out of context with too straightforward reading that ignores their real meaning. Can you cite the authors' statements or even scenes where she objectively and unequivocally acknowledges her bisexuality outside of such random scenes? Solaire the knight (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

UPD. You've finally added sources, I appreciate that step. This is a positive step towards further work on the article. But unfortunately, the first sources simply confirm the basic information that is already contained in the synopsis of the work and do not clarify any of the issues we are interested in, while the second are a link to a preliminary review of the first episode from ANN and, at most, can serve as a source for evaluating and accepting the show, but not to clarify its concepts and author's intentions. Not to mention that the "B-panic signs" are still too vague and abstract to draw any conclusions about the characters' identity based on it. And I am also still waiting for someone to participate in this discussion, otherwise I will actually have to decide to delete the section after some time, given the lack of any objections other than reverting my edit and linking to the original research, and the lack of sources I requested. Solaire the knight (talk) 23:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Rose of Versailles

Does anyone have any objections to the removal of two of the three Rose of Versailles characters? At this point, the section is filled with non-obvious, borderline original research statements (Oscar has always identified as a woman and has never been considered a genderqueer character) and attempts to combine ship interpretations and fan theories with the actual plot (Maria and Oscar's canonical love interests only include men, which mentions the text itself. It is unclear who and when announced that they should be perceived as each other's love interests). For example, I was particularly surprised by the line “Oscar is Maria's love interest, but is also in a relationship with Andre,” given that the Andre x Oscar arc is central to the show and begins in the very first episode before Maria is even introduced at all. In fact, of all three, only Rosalia is canonically confirmed as experiencing canonical same-sex attraction, which is even the subject of a separate dialogue in the story. Otherwise, it looks like a complete mess based on old research and secondary anime reviews. So, if no one objects, in a week or two I will delete the girls mentioned. Solaire the knight (talk) 05:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't mind that at all. As soon as that's done, I'll remove them from List of animated series with LGBTQ characters, and cite your removal on here to support my removal on there.--Historyday01 (talk) 20:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC) Update: I created a section for the series on LGBTQ themes in anime and manga, without using any labels for any characters. So feel free to remove those entries, an I'll do the same on List of animated series with LGBTQ characters. I'll also see if I can find more about the series elsewhere.--Historyday01 (talk) 21:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I would say that the show does have certain LGBTQ themes to a certain extent, albeit in a slightly different way. Therefore, it is better to discuss this separately, so that, as they say in Eastern Europe, “not to cut too sharply with a sword.” For example, Oscar is often cited as the first female androgynous handsome character who attracted other female characters. You can check out Erica Friedman's various reviews of the manga, including the re-release, which mentions the manga's influence on queer anime and manga in Japan. I mean, within the influence of manga on queer narratives. Solaire the knight (talk) 22:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

You make a valid point and I don't disagree. The section I put together clearly can be improved, as I still would like to add more to it, but I mainly pulled from the existing sources on that list, and... from the Rose of Versailles article. Historyday01 (talk) 01:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)