Talk:List of ammonium nitrate incidents and disasters

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Ben Hubbard, Maria Abi-Habib, Mona El-Naggar, Allison McCann, Anjali Singhvi, James Glanz and Jeremy White (2020-09-09). "How a Massive Bomb Came Together in Beirut's Port". The New York Times. Retrieved 2020-09-09. a Beirut law firm [...] urged the port's general manager to remove the cargo to avoid 'a maritime catastrophe.' The law firm attached emails from the ship's charterer warning about its 'EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CARGO' and a 15-page Wikipedia entry cataloguing 'ammonium nitrate disasters.'{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Ocean Liberty

A lot of pages cite 3300t, but it's not clear if that's the AN, or total cargo. This other page cites 1700 for the AN, and includes a photo of a contemporary newspaper (although the text is too small to read). Thoughts? 185.126.62.101 (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Found this "Mr. Douglas Wise, vice-president of the Terminal Shipping Co. said that, because of the Texas City disaster on April 16, his company has adopted unusual precautions in loading 3,000 tons of ammonium nitrate on the Ocean Liberty." https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2721323 Article is dated 2 days after the event and reported halfway around the globe, in Australia, so not the best. The Le Telegramme article uses tonnes, which is 1.1 tons, which is still low at about 1800 tons. The article does link to a blog with a some very detailed accounts of the event though. http://www.portde.info/index.php?q=ocean+liberty+explosion And the blog cites this wiki as a source: http://www.wiki-brest.net/index.php/Ocean_Liberty_60_ans_apr%C3%A8s,_m%C3%A9moires_confront%C3%A9es It was a very significant event in France, but outside of France it looks like it was overshadowed by Texas City. InceptedNoggin (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's a shame that the data on this is inconsistent and this event is so (proportionately) obscure, when it's possibly the largest AN disaster ever, and certainly one of the largest. For now, I'm comfortable with listing a range of possible quantities. What do you think? Or, if we think one quantity is more likely than another, list that as the quantity but with a note next to it for the caveat? -- 185.126.62.101 (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Issue

When I created this article a bot showed that it was a copyvio, however, I am just splitting the article from Ammonium nitrate. It is possibly an error on the bot's part. Eric Wester 15:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did some research here and found that this is because the website actually adapted it's content from Wikipedia! Eric Wester 16:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kriewald

there is not enough info! more plz on the specifics of the Kriewald Explosion

 152.26.15.129 (talk)

There is NO info on Kriewald, Morgan, and Traskwood. The linked articles contain nothing alluding to any sort of nitrate explosion as described. 99.61.69.126 (talk) 21:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No way, no how yet. Put up a warning placard.

There are just not enough credible citations here. And even the ones I'm looking into are more than suspect. Take this one for instance:

Tessenderlo, Belgium, 1942

Belgium Another attempt to disaggregate a pile of 150 tonnes of ammonium nitrate with industrial explosives ended tragically on April 29, 1942: several hundred people were killed.[2]

That [2] citation leads to a broken link, and even if it worked it would be backing up a sentence that says nearly nothing about the context. PLEASE place a warning placard here indicating more than the usual "citations needed" variants. Place a "word in progress" here, or you may end up with casual visitors hacking through things in anger. I really want to see this article work---it's a fascinating subject. Some years ago Scientific American covered it in an article "Deadly Nitrogen". But this page needs work. Label it strongly as such.Tgm1024 (talk) 16:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

poor writing in this article..

Numerous examples of misspellings and poor grammar in this article. There are also a lot of verbal inconsistencies (ton, tonne, tones)

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At midnight on January 6, 1998, the Xinghua Fertilizer company got explosions in the plant. About 27.6 ton Ammonium nitrate liquor was in the container. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.197.76 (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOFIXIT. Keri (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to List

Article has good introductory paragraph, but functions better as a List. So, I have moved it, and added divisions between 20th and 21st century. May consider other divisions, for ease of reference. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion criteria

What is the inclusion criteria for this article? What definition of disaster is used, must it be an accidental explosion? Is this list limited to pure ammonium nitrate, or are ANFO and other AN derivative included too. Does the Oklahoma City bombing belong in this list? After discussing and reaching a concensus here, a section should be added to the article, to help the readers understand the context of the article. Hadron137 (talk) 03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think ANFO attacks, which also include the bombing of the Norwegian government by Anders Behring Breivik on July 22nd 2011*, should not be included. If they were to be included, should one also include all military bombings using mixtures that include ammonium nitrate? That would make no sense.

* The subsequent shooting on Utøya, which killed many more, is even more off-topic here.

Elias (talk) 06:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong use of "However"

"Pure, compact AN is stable and very difficult to initiate. However, there are numerous cases when even impure AN did not explode in a fire."

The "However" should be obviously removed since the second sentence does not contrast the first (which the word "However" suggests). I won't do it out of fear of "ban-trigger-happy" admins. (Nice going btw)

--Felix Tritschler (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article was cited in legal proceedings related to the 2020 Beirut explosion, as cautionary tales prior to the disaster taking place

I wonder if this fact as a place in this article: In 2013-2014 a Beirut law firm seeking the repatriation of the Rhosus’s crew to Russia and Ukraine urged the port’s general manager to remove the ship's cargo (ammonium nitrate that would eventually explode in 2020) to avoid “a maritime catastrophe.” The law firm attached emails from the ship’s charterer warning about its “EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CARGO” and a 15-page Wikipedia entry cataloguing “ammonium nitrate disasters.”^[1]

I have just added this information to Wikipedia:Wikipedia as a court source, and I also wanted to note this at least in this talk page.

Thank you. Al83tito (talk) 05:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is already mentioned in the note at the top of this page. --Ita140188 (talk) 08:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes! Sorry for the oversight. And thank you for your response.Al83tito (talk) 16:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Hubbard, Ben; Abi-Habib, Maria; El-Naggar, Mona; McCann, Allison; Singhvi, Anjali; Glanz, James; White, Jeremy (September 9, 2020). "How a Massive Bomb Came Together in Beirut's Port - Fifteen tons of fireworks. Jugs of kerosene and acid. Thousands of tons of ammonium nitrate. A system of corruption and bribes let the perfect bomb sit for years". The New York Times. Archived from the original on September 14, 2020. Retrieved September 16, 2020.

[1] Hubbard, Ben; Abi-Habib, Maria; El-Naggar, Mona; McCann, Allison; Singhvi, Anjali; Glanz, James; White, Jeremy (September 9, 2020). "How a Massive Bomb Came Together in Beirut's Port - Fifteen tons of fireworks. Jugs of kerosene and acid. Thousands of tons of ammonium nitrate. A system of corruption and bribes let the perfect bomb sit for years". The New York Times. Archived from the original on September 14, 2020. Retrieved September 16, 2020.

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