Talk:List of active separatist movements in North America

And Oklahoma

There is a large effort, but generally small activism, for Native American tribal nations in Oklahoma to restore national soveriegnity of Indian Territory, in the eastern half of Oklahoma and parts of Arkansas (northwest), Kansas (southeast, facing Osage County) and Missouri (McDonald County) for quite some time. Activists calling for independence and secession are usually members of the American Indian Movement and are also active in the Republic of Lakotah (the Sioux) in South Dakota, whose president is actor and activist Russell Means.

The leading five to ten tribal nations based in the region: The Cherokee (most numerous in size), Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek/Muskogee, Lenni-Lenape, Pawnee, Pottawatomi, Osage, Shawnee and Seminole, have federally recognized powers over tribal trust lands and properties in Oklahoma. If the tribal jurisdiction rejected being members of both the USA whom removed these peoples and relocated them in the 1830's and state of Oklahoma (the western part) since 1907, the Indian Nations Republic of (Eastern) Oklahoma can be the world's first Native American republic. Mike D 26 (talk) 23:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria

If we follow the current criteria we need to delete virtually every entry as unsourced. How do we determine "active"? News articles about them in the last year? Their own web sites wouldn't be valid for this. Dougweller (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

The cult-like Christian Exodus organization isn't by any stretch a pressure group that's part of an active separatist movement in SC.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 01:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• Yea, a lot of these are not real separtist movements. One source that is listed is a campus newspaper. I would like to propose we establish criteria for this so we can take some of these down. They are just silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:3F00:1A42:D82D:92C2:883D:8B8B (talk) 03:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Republik Of New Afrika inclusion

There are still blacknnationalist organizations alive. The nation of Islam has not died out and many blacks still have nationalist sentiments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.41.99 (talk) 01:37, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

• This is not a real movement. A movement should have significant, and passionate support for a long period of time. A movement is not defined by someone setting up a website. Steve.A.Dore.4 (talk) 01:40, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

POV language

I take it you're aware that "separatist" is a biased and loaded term? Something more neutral should be used. Self-determination is not of itself a crime.--MacRùsgail (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: Brainstorming words here...several are mentioned on the article separatism. "Independence" and "secessionist" might be a bit strong for groups only seeking autonomy; "partition" seems a bit awkward. "Self-determination" makes it sound like the region in question doesn't have any currently, which is not true in all cases listed. Then there's "separationist" which to me seems essentially the same but longer and awkward. Personally, I don't find "separatist" to have any particular positive or negative connotation, other than whatever feelings come along with the thing the word is describing (which seems like it could be positive or negative depending on your politics and the geography in question). What would your preference be? -- Beland (talk) 01:33, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

You're certainly right in saying that the alternatives aren't very good, but "separatism" is a very loaded term, and is used as a pejorative. A number of international publications do use it, but that still doesn't make it right.

'"Self-determination" makes it sound like the region in question doesn't have any currently, which is not true in all cases listed.'

Can be complex. In the recent Scottish referendum, a number of people who voted for unionist parties voted FOR independence.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: I'm not sure which term you're suggesting we use? -- Beland (talk) 01:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Erm, something that doesn't sound as if it's against the idea of self-determination for X? -MacRùsgail (talk) 17:54, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Hawaii?

There are independence movements in Hawaii. These should be listed.203.184.41.226 (talk) 18:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The current version of this page says to go to List of active separatist movements in Oceania. Not satisfactory but it's there somewhere. Mehmetaergun (talk) 05:05, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The answer is that it should be in both. Hawaii is not in North America really, but it IS an American state. This still leaves questions about Guam etc though.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Bundy?

List of active autonomist and secessionist movements ultimately forwards users here. Should the Bundy stuff be listed here as well as an autonomist entity/person/movement/whatever it is? I believe it's refered to as Bundy standoff. Mehmetaergun (talk) 05:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The Chicano Movement

Is there any reason why there isn't a mention of Chicano nationalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Elan Nino (talk • contribs) 05:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Reconquista

What about this independence movement ? It even has a wikipedia page -> http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

72.53.96.54 (talk) 03:39, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Lakota are a native American tribe with a treaty. They are no more separatist than any other tribe in the US. I'm deleting it until someone figures out how there any different than the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.24.100.170 (talk) 16:05, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Map of list of active separatist movements in north america

Map of list of active separatist movements in north america

Hi all, i'd like to upload the map you requested. I hope you can enjoy it.

--Carlofcolombo (talk) 14:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Why does it say Quebec is a prairie province? Quebec is most definitely not a prairie province. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayword (talk • contribs) 15:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

What can I write under Quebec? --Carlofcolombo (talk) 11:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the template, since we have a map now. My only critique is that the map projection distorts Greenland and northern regions badly. Otherwise, good illustration of the subject. ⇔ ChristTrekker 13:18, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Northern Ontario

The separatist movement in Northern Ontario re-emerged this year. Their goal is not to become a separate state but rather a separate province similar as to how Nunavut formed from breaking away from the Northwest Territories in 1999. Volcanoguy 11:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The map

The map is missing California and possibly other jurisdictions. Prcc27🌍 (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

That map is outdated anyways, so I removed it. ExplodingPoPUps 03:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Vancouver Island Party inclusion?

@Chad The Goatman: I'm inclined to think that the Vancouver Island Party doesn't belong here. According to their website and their Wikipedia article, they solely want to be a new province within Canada, and not get any special treatment or autonomous concessions (like what happens with Nunavut). That seems qualitatively different than, say, Quebec, which wants to leave Canada. The Vancouver Island case seems closer to, say, Partition and secession in New York, which nobody calls a secessionist movement - those simply want to create two separate states for New York City & Long Island vs. the rest and the like, but regardless of how it turns out, they'd all be under the USA's umbrella. SnowFire (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

After almost 2 year with no replies over Vancouver Island and it’s separatism. It has been added. Even the Wikipedia page of Vancouver Island Party mentions the term 'separatism'. ExplodingPoPUps 21:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Neo-Confederate

Not all Neo-Confederate Groups are White Supremacist. I have added a pressure group to the Confederate States section, called the New Confederate Army (They are anti-white supremacist, but also anti SPLC). I also have a link to their website, but I don't know how to add it.

NCA Link: http://thenewconfederatearmy.tripod.com/home.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamCorbettWiki (talk • contribs) 16:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Therefore, it should be categorized as a militant organization. The people who categorize Neo-confederate groups as entirely "White supermacist" is left-wing obviously. Indeed not all groups are white nationalists. ExplodingPoPUps 22:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Should Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone be included?

See above. Does this new tiny commune in Seattle count?--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 18:40, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

El Norte (Northern Mexico) and Occidental Mexico autonomist and separatist movements

Doing some research, I've found that both Chicano and Norteño have subtle but still active separatist movements.

• This is the oldest mention I could find from a english-speaking source. [1]. Charles Truxillo, Dr. published in the Albuquerque Tribune in January 31th, 2000 his Plan del Norte, which was published once again in his personal page in google sites: [2]. In most of his reasearch, Dr. Charles Truxillo states that Chicano people and Norteño people were the same.
• The oldest reference in spanish I could find was published in March 16, 2002 in periódico La Jornada, where it mentions Sánchez-Navarro's Private State was the first attempt to create an independent state in New Spain. It also states about the "República del Río Bravo", which refers to the Republic of the Rio Grande (Rio Grande River is called Rio Bravo in official Mexican history) Link: [3]
• Norteño journalist and writer, Cesar Fernando Zapata, published an short article [4]
• A left-wing blog was created in 2010 to support an Aridoamerican Confederacy, no media coverage at all and seemed like a joke. [5] It has not been updated since 2015. Almost concurrently, a pro-aridoamerican account in twitter was created [6]. Content generated back then was criticised in March, 2013 by Spaniard leftist advocacy, Santiago Armesilla, accusing Norteño Separatism of being hispanophobic in its nature [7].
• 2013. [8]
• This article, published in a Colombian journal, explains factors about the Nuevo León's paradiplomacy [9]
• In September, 2017, a Facebook page, "República de México del Norte" gained relevant visibility, claiming that Mexican culture and politics were harmful for Norteño culture. A month after a discussion group in facebook was opened by Alejandro Reyes Galindo, an still unknown citizen of Nuevo León. This group remains active albeit not separatist anymore, but autonomist. [10]. Between the activities shown there, members are able to acquire a flag and through donations. They have published releases on international affairs[11].
• In August, 2018, right after the 2018 Mexican general election, Nuevo León's governor threatened with the independence of the state. [12].
• In December, 2018, a Norteño beer-brewing trademark, Carta Blanca launched a Norteño Pride advertisement campaign "Es Mi Norte" with positive reception. [13].
• In January (have to confirm this), 2019, the separatist asociación civil "Nuevo León Resurge" ("Nuevo León resurfaces") was founded by José Daniel Borrego, a regiomontano writer and criticist, and David Ogaz Diaz, a popular Lawyer from Chihuahua. [14]
• In June 10th, 2019, the three governors of the Rio Grande region pronounced an agreement for collaboration in internal security affairs.[15] in response to Mexican policy of sending military troops to fight crime. They met again in January 17th (the same day of the Republic of the Rio Grande independence) in 2020, to announce the achievements and outcomes of the treaty.
• Since October, 2019, Nuevo León car plates and driver licenses show a pro-Norteño slogan "Orgullo de Ser del Norte" (in English. "Proud of being from El Norte") and removed the word "Mexico". No news agency reported this as separatist expression.[16]
• In March 19th, 2020, the three governments of the Rio Grande region closed their borders to avoid COVID-19 spread. This action was deemed by the Mexican government and considered unnecessary, naming it "politicking" show. [17]
• In April 13th, 2020, #Nortexit became trending topic in both Twitter and Facebook. There was news coverage by major journals. [18][19]. Lots of users propagated an image depicting a Map of mexico and a division between the southern Mexican States and the Norteño-Abajeño-Occidental region with a #Nortexit naming the region [20]
• In September 3rd, after attending a demonstration near a Dam, Jessica Silva Zamarripa and her husband were shot by the Mexican Military, resulting in Jessica's death [21]. This act was considered "against Norteño people" by Chihuahuan protesters.
• In September 7th, five Norteño governors and other five Abajeño governors abandoned the CONAGO (a Mexican Governors organisation), claiming "...it does not defend states sovereignty anymore". [22]
• The new Alianza Federalista have threatened with "Breaking the 'Federal Pact'" if the President keeps avoiding to meet. [23]
• After the pronunciamiento made by the governors of the Alianza Federalista, Twitter users renewed the trending topic, #Nortexit. [24]

>President of Mexico says it is imposible that Norteño states could secede from Mexico. [25]

With all these I dare to say there exists a slow pacific movement for the secession of the El Norte.

Hectormgerardo (talk) 23:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Michigander inclusion

Like the Oklahoma topic here says, there is a sizeable effort of people within the U.S. states of Michigan who would see Michigan become independent were the chance to arrive, but there is very little virtual outreach and zero media coverage so linkable sources are next to none, with the exception of the Twitter account which has garnered reasonable national support within separatist movements within the U.S.

It should be noted this is a bipartisan group not particularly motivated by the election, as they cite failings by both the Obama and Trump administrations.

Some people have decided that the twitter account was not enough and have decided to remove the entrance in its entirety. Thoughts? GreenBattery1 (talk) 16:22, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

No references = no inclusion. Any idiot can create a twitter account and claim to be a "movement". FDW777 (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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About the New England Independence Movement

I have found three different sources for this by doing a Google search for "New England Independence Movement":

• https://dailycampus.com/2021/10/08/the-case-for-new-england-independence
• https://www.ctinsider.com/shoreline/amp/Could-New-England-secede-from-the-union-This-16369205.php
• https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/separatist-movements-america.html/

Do with this as you will. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 22:55, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Propose changing "pressure group" term

It's a weird term and I'm not sure it accurately describes all regionalist movements. It can run the gamut from confrontational, political, or simply cultural identity groups. I don't think it applies to, say, Cascadia. I suggest "advocacy group" instead. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 17:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

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Aztlan sources as a user is engaged in an edit war

Main articles: Chicano nationalism, Plan de Aztlan, and Reconquista (Mexico) Racial group: Chicano Movement, Chicano Proposed state: Aztlan Advocacy groups: Brown Berets, MEChA, (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán, "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán"), Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, Freedom Road Socialist Organization, which calls for self-determination for the Chicano nation in Aztlan up to and including the right to secession. Raza Unida Party (Defunct) United Farm Workers and the Mexica Movement

https://frso.org/espanol/el-socialismo/

"It means the recognition of the right of self-determination by the African American nation in the Black Belt South, the Chicano nation of Aztlán in the Southwest, and the Hawaiian nation, up to and including the right to secede."

https://frso.org/espanol/el-socialismo/

. FRSO is the only socialist organization in the U.S. where I can keep being unapologetically Chicana, and that supports the self-determination of the Chicano Nation of Aztlán.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110517151440/http://www.nationalmecha.org/philosophy.html

Chicanismo seeks to educate our barrios and campos about our history y cultura to further create a movement of self-determination for the Liberation of Aztlán, something that Hispanic and Latino has yet to represent or recognize. These factors have made it necessary for Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán to affirm our philosophy of liberation Chicanismo involves a personal decision to reject assimilation and work towards the preservation of our cultural heritage. Recognizing that all people are potential Chicanas and Chicanos, we encourage those interested in developing a total commitment to our movement for self-determination for the people of Aztlán to join Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán

Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán, leading to socioeconomic and political justice for our Gente. MEChA then, is more than a name; it is a spirit of unity by comadrismo/carnalismo, and a resolution to undertake a struggle for liberation! Tierra y Libertad!

we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land. Thus, the principle of nationalism serves to preserve the cultural traditions of La Familia de La Raza and promotes our identity as a Chicana/Chicano Gente.

https://frso.org/congress/unity-statement/

As a result of historical developments since the annexation of Mexican land by the United States, there emerged an oppressed Chican@/Mexican@ nation of Aztlan. Since annexation, there has been a continuous struggle for land and justice (tierra y libertad). We support the right to self-determination up to and including secession for that nation.

Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 10:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

can you please respond to this Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov as reverting the changes due to "began the removal of aztlan because none of the sources provided are relevant and/or notable, all relevant references to aztlan made by any of the major chicano organizations that were specified under the sources provided were not secessionist nor separatist, they all revolved around the spiritual concept of aztlan and not an independent state, essentially making it a regionalist grouping which should not be on a separatist movement page"

Sources provided are relevant and/or notable, - Each source cites a seperate Political organisation that are not only active but directly call for sucession

all relevant references to aztlan made by any of the major chicano organizations that were specified under the sources provided were not secessionist nor separatist, - This is incorrect as cited above direct calls for secession are made by MECHA and RFSO other historically active groups are stated as such in previous edits in the correct format

they all revolved around the spiritual concept of aztlan and not an independent state, essentially making it a regionalist grouping which should not be on a separatist movement page - I am convinced you truly did not read these citations but grossly grouped all movements together as you didnt like it and removed it from wikipedia as such. Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 19:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Diagolon

Diagolon

• Racial group: White Americans
  • Proposed state: Diagolon
  • Advocacy groups: Diagolon, White supremacists

Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 11:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

The "state" of Diagolon is fictional, just an internet meme. The stunt has nothing to do in this article. You will need third party reliable sources saying otherwise before you can hope to get consensus for adding it. --T*U (talk) 16:51, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberal-ministers-call-blockades-a-foreign-attempt-to-subvert-canadas-democracy-economy

https://nationworldnews.com/what-is-the-diagolon-extremist-group-and-what-does-it-want/

sources i grabbed from the Diagolon wikipedia page? Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 19:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Third Palmetto Republic

https://eu.augustachronicle.com/story/news/2010/09/11/duo-wants-establish-third-palmetto-republic/14583127007/

http://palmettorepublic.org/

https://www.portablepress.com/blog/2017/02/an-independent-state/

It hasn’t filed any plans or ballot initiatives yet, but in 2010, the Third Palmetto Republic formed in South Carolina. The group aims for independence for the “Palmetto State.” (The “Third” is a reference to South Carolina declaring independence from England in 1776, and from the U.S. in 1860.) Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 17:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

If you read their own web site, you can read under the heading "Big Changes Have Come to Third Palmetto Republic": We have officially dissolved the non-profit corporation, which means we won’t be taking donations, holding rallies, having meetings, or doing anything else officially as an organization. And the "About" page now reads: Third Palmetto Republic is a political blog written by a few folks in South Carolina who believe in the independence of every individual and the natural right to your own life and to do with it as you see fit, so long as you abide by the non-aggression principle. To that end, we publish articles and materials on the subject of government to illustrate its evils and educate our fellow South Carolinians and anyone else who might be interested.. Not a separatist movement, not even a movement, just a blog. --T*U (talk) 17:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Feisbuqueros launch proposal to create the Republic of Chihuahua

https://laopcion.com.mx/noticia/12338/

https://prezi.com/tkgt01q9k3sd/republica-de-chihuahua/

http://stateless-nations.com/ Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 14:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Republic of Florida Militia

Republic of Florida Militia Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 20:32, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Facebook movement removed:

Aridoamerica

• Ethnic group: Northern Mexicans or "Nortenos".
  • De facto autonomous areas: Baja California, Baja California Sur, Sonora, Sinaloa, Chihuahua, Durango, Coahuila, Nuevo León and Tamaulipas states.
    • Proposed state: Autonomous States of Aridoamerica

Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 13:55, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

References

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Possible additions

https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/73065/Separatist-Group-seeks-independence-for-Baja-California-Mexico https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/73169/The-temptation-of-Baja-Californias-seceding-from-Mexico Movement for Triqui Autonomy Comores 123 (talk) 14:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The two articles about Baja California do not seem to describe any existing movement, but are mostly personal speculations about how to create such a movement, if possible at all: Is it a mere joke or a movement seeking to get organized? or even more to the point: Deep down you and I know that it is not viable, that it is a hallucination; a well intended wish, yes, but in the end something unreal.

About the Triqui part, I am completely confused. The description is full of contradictions and exaggerations. Furthermore, with all that detail, whatever has happened since 2015? Are they still on hunger strike, I wonder? Anyway, what I do not see, is a separatist movement relevant to this article. --T*U (talk) 19:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Costa Rica

The recent addition about Limón is exactly what I have been trying to explain to Comores 123 that one cannot do. The linked movement Authentic Limonense Party has an article, but that article does not mention separatism, autonomy or independence. Regionalism is not separatism. The two sources may indicate that there exists some sort of separatism, but they do not mention the party.

See WP:OR about original research and WP:SYNTH about synthesis. T*U (talk) 23:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Native American Separatism

I kinda remember the time that the Republic of Lakotah proposal and the Native Americans were in the United States section of the List of active separatist movements in North America. Why aren't they in the list all of the sudden? 4lepheus B4ron (talk) 13:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Statehood movements

Is there a reason Statehood movements that do not meet the requirments of "separatist movements" or "autonomist movements" are on this page particuarly when looking at USA and Canada? Thingsomyipisntvisable2 (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

A while back Baja Arizona got removed for that reason

But was restored due to the fact that subnational separatism is still separatism arguably

It was eventually removed anyway tho due to the fact that it had no movement. Rad da writer (talk) 09:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The Republic of Man Pro Cool

The Republic of man pro cool is a break away country within the state of New Jersey, they have almost a full functioning government but cause they are smaller then the Vatican, they are not recognized. They have everything the USA has but just smaller. What do you think? Finnizkool (talk) 05:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Link required. Do you have a link? 曹白魚 (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)