Talk:List of Wii games/Archive 6

Improving Quality to Featured List Status

WP:VG Assessment

Previous points solved

• There are some notices for editors on top of the list. Those shouldn't be on top of the list, but as comments in the source of the list or on the talk page.  Done
• 'Please note that this list is subject to change' is not something to write in this article, but in the Wikipedia disclaimer. (And it's already there.)  Done
• In general, the list is good, the introduction is not. See List of Nintendo 64 games (a featured list) for a good introduction. Not long, but good.  Done

Remaining issues

I previously wrote:

“ Also, consider moving all references of the 'blue link' (existing articles) entries of the list to the article about the game, instead of this list ”

Short: I'm still not happy with how the references are done. More thorough criticism now than last time, and I hope you all find it constructive.

Long: Two issues with the references on this page remain: style and policy. Style, because the way it's done now may provide users with easy-to-access references, but in an ugly way. There's just too many little arrows and link icons in there now, and together with the mix of red and blue, the title column is a mess. The policy issue is simple: if one would print this page now (for example by including it into a WikiReader or a Pocket Packet, and let someone else read it, that person would not be able to read the references.

Suggestions:

• Use <ref> and {{cite web}}.

Good: Standard wiki practice these days. Will remove all the arrows and link thingies from the list.

Bad: you'll have a list of 100+ references at the bottom. References will be confusing because release date references and title existence references will be all mixed up.

• Change 'policy' on this article to only allow existing, referenced, articles to the list, and remove the references, or move them to the articles whenever necessary.

Good: Any game without an article probably shouldn't be on the list anyway. Will clear up all the reference links too.

Bad: The list will be less complete.

The second has my personal preference, but the current situation is not something to continue with IMHO.

New points

• What's the Exclus column for? I have no idea what it means.
• One might want to check if there's any other table of contents you can use. For example, rather than just browsing by title (for which CTRL+F is better anyway), one could imagine that a Wii-owner might want to find out which games are coming out around Christmas, and browse to Q4 2007. This is not a remark, just a feature suggestion.

That being said, B-class. --User:Krator (t c) 00:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your re-assessment. I'll address a couple things. First, a comment on your suggestion #1 for the citations. I just want to point out that as of right now, the list of citations would be between 300 and 400 citations, which will only grow. This is a bit more than your estimate of 100+. It might be barely workable in the short term, but long term would be no good at all!

For suggestion #2, perhaps another way to phrase the policy is that a requirement for adding a game to the list is that a stub is made for it? My only other thought is that since this list is so attractive for abuse and mis-editing, there is a degree of usefulness for the citations to be part of the entries.

Finally, for your two small points at the end, 'Exclus' is short for Exclusive, although I am not sure why it was shortened. I have fixed that. Second, I thought being able to check which games were coming out around a certain time period was the point of having the list be sortable (among other things). Again, thank you for your time. -Telvin 3d 09:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

So, what's 'Exclusive' mean in this context then? I'm not into Wii, so it probably is something speficic. Are these limited edition games or something? Explain in the introduction.

Also, making a stub for every article on the list to include the references sounds splendid.

--User:Krator (t c) 15:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Exclusive games are ones that are only released for the Wii and not any other consoles, past or present. -Telvin 3d 21:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Krator, once again thank you for your assessment and commments. I will begin moving the source links into the article for those which exist, and create stubs for those which need it. Whoever can please help, I appreciate it. -Digiwrld1 05:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I've started some help with this - got up to DK Bongo Blast cleared out. Added a few stubs along the way. Will help more when I have more time. Jmeriot 21:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

New Issues/Suggestions

Improvements

A couple improvements that could add value to the page are

• column showing numbers of players possible (my wife keeps asking me which games more than 1 person can play)
• another column that could be interesting is whether is needs a nunchuk, etc.

Some interesting ideas. Each of those details, should of course, be within the game article themselves, but I can definitely see some people wanting to find the newest multiplayer game. Your second point, I feel would be better if it is within the game article itself, as that's a very game-specific element. As per the number of players possible, I can see it as a positive thing but am afraid that will clutter the list and make it less presentable. 68.181.225.103 04:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, based upon several suggestions, I've begun work on a Comparison of Wii Games which allows for additional details about Wii games to be listed that couldn't be listed here. Your thoughts are welcome, and any help you can give in completing the list will be most appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Digiwrld1 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Given that some of the games have their European titles, would it not also be more consistent to place/retain the japanese romanjinized titles instead of immediately replacing them with the american/european titles? The lack of japanese titles has also made it slightly more difficult to search as titles of japanese releases are swapped for the american future release title.

Uncompetence 06:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Sources Needed

I tried looking for, but could not find, any source saying that Hail to the Chimp and TNA Impact will be coming to the Wii--as of current, they only say that they are coming for Next Generation Consoles. These are the only two games currently that do not have a source in their article that explicitly states that a version for the Wii is in the works. I'm sure that they will be coming, just wanting to make sure that every game in this list is verifiable. -Digiwrld1 00:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I found sources. Digiwrld1 19:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Here We Go Again

• Our last re-assessment bumped us up to a 'B' rating with 'Low Importance', with our assessor Krator suggesting that we change how we do the reference links. He also brought up concern of what it meant for a game to be 'Exclusive' to the Wii.
• User Telvin3D suggested that we move each source link that said that game was coming out for the Wii into the article itself, and to create stubs for those games that were still redlinked. A number of contributors worked to make this happen, and I was able to create stubs for the last remaining titles.
• After some debate as to what it meant to be Exclusive, a one-line sentence has been added to the introduction explaining what qualifies a game to be exclusive.
• The only issue that has not been addressed is the use of a different TOC, perhaps one browsable by date. But as Telvin 3D pointed out, being able to search by date is the reason we switched to a sortable list format and thus has already been addressed.
• Are there any issues still remaining? Is there anywhere where we can improve further? I know that everyone here is working to make this FL-status, and so what can we still do?- Digiwrld1 12:42, March 26, 2007 (UTC)

• I added the Dynamic List template to lead in this list, as clearly more games will be announced for its lifecycle and as such can not be complete at this time.
• Looking through Krator's re-re-reassessment of this article (to which I'd like to thank him for all of his helpful comments and suggestions to improve the list further), I feel that we have corrected any remaining issues. I went through the list and verified that a source existed for whatever articles needed them. If no one objects, I'd like to resubmit the article for CVG assessment. Digiwrld1 21:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:VG Assessment

• Almost a spotless page, and I'll hand it A-class for that.
• Something very small - two games (see below) have been released in Japan in March 2007, yet this list still states the publisher as "to be announced". One of the big dangers of large lists is that they become outdated fast, and this is definitely a risk here. Do not let time catch up with you! The list items in question:

• G1 Jockey Wii
• Mezase!! Tsuri Master

• Upgraded importance to Mid, because Wii was changed to High. I am not sure why this was done to mid/low in the first place.
• Skip GA - just submit for featured article, but you'll need to ask for a peer review first. If you do this quickly (i.e: this evening) on VG peer review (I don't watch normal peer review), I will have some time to immediately review it.

--User:Krator (t c) 19:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Victory! Haha, thanks for your assessment Krator. I will look into those games right now and submit it for peer review soon. To all the contributors here (you know who you are), thanks for all of your hard work. Let's give this the FL push it deserves.Digiwrld1 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I found out the details for the following games and updated accordingly

• G1 Jockey Wii  Done
• Mezase!! Tsuri Master  Done

I also updated various other details throughout the list. I agree with your concern that some of this list (especially concerning the smaller games) may be outdated if not updated in time, but I have faith in the Wikipedia community that we'll keep this list as updated as possible. Digiwrld1 21:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

FL Push

Currently undergoing Peer Review
Please direct your comments/suggestions to the Peer Review linked to at the CVG infobox. Thank you. Digiwrld1 22:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Q1/2/3/4

Can someone change it so if only the quarter is known, it is listed as "Q2 2007" rather than "2007 Q2"? The former is how it is always listed, both by the press and the publishers themselves. It is also more natural. It would be like saying "2007 September" rather than the correct "September 2007". TJ Spyke 00:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible, though I may be mistaken. I believe that this format is intentional to allow to entries to be sortable. If it's Q1 2007 first, then it'll sort to Q1 2007, Q1 2008, Q2 2007. I'm not certain if we can change the order though, as I didn't implement it. Digiwrld1 05:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It's possible, and a rather trivial change, actually. The input order is still "wrong" tho, since it's possible to have a 200X release date without a quarter, but not a QX release date without a year. --Conti|✉ 15:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Guitar Hero II Not Coming to the Wii

First, when adding a game to the list make sure a source accompanies it. If it is not explicitly mentioned in the 3 lists at the bottom of the reference section, use cite web and give the source. So GHII, for example, would need a source as its not mentioned in any of the lists.

Second, every announcement that had been made concerning the Wii and Guitar Hero failed to mention whether it would be a port for Guitar Hero 2 or whether a new iteration would be released. Most blogs/sites assumed that with the 360 getting GH2, it would follow suit that the Wii gets GH3. I remind again that this was pure assumption.

The updated FAQ on Red Octane (makers of the guitar peripheral) revealed that indeed it will be Guitar Hero 3 that is coming to the Wii, and as such the source is given for verifiability. Up until that point, no mention was given as to which GH the Wii would receive, but now that it has been released sites like IGN have updated their games list to reflect this update. So please don't add that Guitar Hero 2 is being released for the Wii, as now we have learned that it will be GH3. Digiwrld1 02:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Citations?

I notice that citations are starting to creep back into the table itself as footnotes. Is this what we have decided on or is it an ongoing issue? In the past month alone, there have been a number of changes and (temporary) policies including the external link arrows in the name and date columns, a push to move all references to the game's own pages and now footnote citations. I don't think it really matters what one we go with, but it should be consistent.

As an aside, is the silver colour needed for the Unreleased games? I know it looks pretty, but it is maintainable int he long term? And if it is going to be used, a mention needs to go in the How-to guide. Telvin 3d 08:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and take a look at the peer review, as all these changes were suggested from there. The silver font really isn't hard to maintain-copy and paste works well, and what it does is really distinguish between those games that will be coming out from those that will not be. I will add it to the How-To guide though, thanks for that. As per footnotes, here's how it works: there are 3 main lists given (GameSpot list, Nintendo of America list, Nintendo of Europe list); check first to see if your game is listed in one of these 3 lists. If it is, that's it, you're good to go. If it isn't, then a footnote is necessary using cite web. As the year goes by and these games get listed on GameSpot and Nintendo's lists, we can start clearing out some of those references, but not before. This will indeed be the standard from now on. If you have any further concerns, be sure to post it in the Peer Review as of right now. Digiwrld1 08:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Strike that comment about citations, it looks like it still isn't finalized (yeah I know its getting pretty ridiculous). It'd be great if you could put up your concerns on the peer review and if you feel that one method is better than another feel free to put it up. -Digiwrld1 08:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Missing Games

all these entries are missing; these show up in the edit page, but not the entry page. what the hell? Tehw1k1 02:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed - problem was a faulty ref tag. --User:Krator (t c) 14:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Missing Games-I noticed that there are games missing from the list, such as Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Mario Strikers Charged. They should be re-added. --Gaming King 13:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

They were missing due to template errors; we're attempting to get them sorted out, but they should be back on the list now. -Digiwrld1 21:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The LOST video game is also missing.

Templates Errors

Something is very, very wrong with the Templates. Nothing in the source of this page has been significantly altered, but the Wii template isn't showing up, Cite Web templates are getting a bit messed up and not showing the information. Is it just me that's seeing this? -Digiwrld1 21:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Something is indeed broken. I'm looking into it, but I'm not really an expert. I did fix some things: a broken ref tag (unclosed), and a typo, || instead of | inside a TBA template. Something of this nature is breaking the table near the U or W. --User:Krator (t c) 14:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Nothing can be done - the limit is reached. Wikipedia:Template limits. In the page source, one can read the warnings that the templates are omitted. No choice but to convert all dates to YYYY DD MM manually. --User:Krator (t c) 15:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Krator; I've removed the use of the cite web templates and reflist to reduce the number of templates being used. This allows the references to be shown; only the Wii template is not showing now. If we were to switch from Dts to YYYY DD MM, wouldn't that affect the sorting feature of the table? -Digiwrld1 21:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it will. All Dts does is creating (span style="display:none")YYYY DD MM(/span) objects based on the contents of the cell. --User:Krator (t c) 22:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, note the following:

Before your most recent edit:

Pre-expand include size: 2047914 bytes
Post-expand include size: 405797 bytes
Template argument size: 108546 bytes
Maximum: 2048000 bytes

After your most recent edit:

Pre-expand include size: 2047914 bytes
Post-expand include size: 405708 bytes
Template argument size: 108546 bytes
Maximum: 2048000 bytes

Or: it isn't helping. Something else should be figured out. Splitting the article? --User:Krator (t c) 22:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Currently:

Pre-expand include size: 1138730 bytes
Post-expand include size: 236573 bytes
Template argument size: 61806 bytes
Maximum: 2048000 bytes

It seems to work. --User:Krator (t c) 10:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

To view in which order the hidden elements are sorting the table (currently not as it should be), download the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox here, then choose Misc. -> show hidden elements in that toolbar. It will make all hidden elements appear. --User:Krator (t c) 10:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Krator, really appreciate your time and effort. Quick question though--I've noticed the article size is rapidly increasing, partly due to the addition of new games but also due to removal of the Dts template. Will the KB size be much of a problem is this going to be down the line, or not really? Thanks again. -Digiwrld1 03:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

recently announced list

This is just a suggestion, but I'd like to see a column or additional list that shows the 5 most recent games added to the list, so people can keep up with the new game announcements. Tehw1k1 20:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

If it's recently annouced but not released yet, why not just add it to the list as "unreleased" as long as it can be confirmed? Speaking of recently anounced, Dragonball Z Sparking! METEOR has been confirmed for the Nintendo Wii and Plastation 2. --Waenishikusu 18:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Edits by User:UltraNintendoEntertainmentSystem

I have reverted the following, because no sources were cited in the change:

• Wii Health Pack - Unsourced change of "July 2007" to "2007". Unsourced change of "TBA 2007" to "TBA". Unsourced change of "TBA" to "2007".
• Winning Eleven - Unsourced changes of "TBA" to "Q3 2007", "September 2007" to "TBA 2007", and "TBA" to "Q3 2007". All without using proper markup for sortable tables.

Please do not revert again, unless:

• A source can be found for each change.
• Proper markup for sortable tables is used.

--User:Krator (t c) 14:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Article Layout

I was thinking that we could remake this article to look like the List of Virtual Console Games (North America) article, where released and un-released games are sorted into different categories, so people don't get confused. Please Discuss

The Following Games Have Until...

The thing about video game creation is that even if you've released a playable demo, it can still be pushed back, or canceled. It happens to all the major developers, and it definitely happens with the smaller developers. In that sense it makes it difficult to have a 100% accurate list on Wikipedia, but to try and approach that the list must be kept updated--which includes removing games that have essentially disappeared as much as adding new ones. My proposal is to remove the following games if no major information is released by the periods specified.

Blitz: E3 2007 (July 11-13)

Broken Saints: Comic-Con 2007 (July 26-29)

Disaster Day of Crisis/Project Hammer: E4All (October 18-23)

Final Furlong: E3 2007

JAWA: TGS 2007 (September 20-23)

Midnight/Orb/Thorn (Crossbeam Studios): Q1 2008

ROTR/Sadness: Q1 2008

Sidewinder: E3 2007

How do you guys feel about this? I've only listed those games which have been sitting there with little updates, and I feel that there is plenty of time for new info to come out. As you can see, independent developers get a longer period than major developers do. Digiwrld1 05:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

IMO Blitz is most likely cancelled. Midway released a list of games they're showing at E3 and Blitz wasn't on it. It makes little sense for them to release it either, since EA is so far ahead of them with football controls on the Wii and Blitz isnt that strong a franchise in the first place. All the iffy devs like Crossbeam and Nibris need to just put up or shut up. Some Nintendo fans continue to be delusional about those games. Tehw1k1 17:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo says Disaster is still in development, but Project HAMMER is on indefinite hold. I'm not sure whether or not to keep Project HAMMER on the list. --Optichan 00:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Pirates of the Caribbean

This game has been released in Japan, is anyone actively updating this list? I'm wondering where the information on (TBA) versus (unreleased) comes from. Bakarocket 12:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I just fixed it myself. Bakarocket 00:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Manhunt 2 removal

Should Manhunt 2 have been completely removed? So far Take-Two hasn't announced what will happen to the game, so we don't know if it will be released or not. We know the game exists, all Nintendo said is that they won't allow the game to be released unless it can avoid the AO rating. -- VederJuda 13:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hasn't it only been, what, a week or two? Even Hot Coffee took awhile to fully tear out and re-release, I imagine this is going to be significantly more complicated. I'd wait a few monthes or something and see what happens personally. Eusis 20:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate Entry: 'Machi Kuru Domino' (Success, 12-2-06) and 'Go! Go! Minon' (Success, TBA)

These "two" games are the same game. I don't know how to update the list properly, so ask that one of you guys could do it. As for citations, bear with me: I am playing the "TBA" 'Go! Go! Minon' RIGHT NOW, and noone can even find a boxshot of 'Machi Kuru Domino'...even sources (such as IGN: [1]) that state BOTH games under developer (Success/Red Entertainment) have the SAME description for both games. Developer's website [2] lists 'Go! Go! Minon' as their only Wii release. If 'Machi Kuru Domino' was a Wii launch title, they would surely acknowledge it's existance. So although I have no direct citation of my claim, there is PLENTY of anecdotal evidence.

On a separate note, is there a sub project to list the localization names of the titles? For example, The list specifies Eldees ^EU for Elebits ^{USA, JPN}, but more drastic localization variations are NOT noted (ie. Dragon Ball Z: Sparking! NEO ^JPN = Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 ^USA...Such variations/interpretations could be misnoted as different games (such as problem above) and could easily be added as details in the list while keeping a clean sortable structure.

Thanks!

66.69.160.247 05:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)keroppi_667@hotmail.com

Fixed--removed duplicate entry. Thanks for that info. As per alternative titles, as it states this list refers to their English titles. As such if there are two english titles, both are given. Likewise, if its only a Japanese title, the romanized version is given rather than in kanji or katakana, thus keeping it English friendly. Since DBZ was released here, you see only the english NA/Europe title.24.113.186.25 20:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I have moved MKD's page to Go Go Minon. Tehw1k1 17:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

E3

Direct Link to Nintendo Press Room to Verify/Link Game Entries and Dates: http://press.nintendo.com/e32007/

To whoever has reinstated the Exclusive Column: The editors of this page agreed to remove the exclusive column a whiles back and as such should not be there. Thank you.

exclusive column - ow! my eyes!

Column is super ugly and unnecessary, not to mention inaccurate in some instances. Please get rid of it oh Ghod!!111!!! Tehw1k1 02:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Working on removing it, and sent a message to the user who put it back in. -Digiwrld1 02:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree: very ugly and not needed. RobJ1981 02:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I completely and absolutely disagree - the only reason I visit this page is to see whether a game is exclusive or not. I strongly request that it be readded. unless 22:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You can find out more about each game by going to their individual entries. Tehw1k1 21:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The best way to find exclusive games is to go here: Category:Wii-only games -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 21:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Exclusives bolding

We appreciate your contributions Exukvera, but this is a very bad time to mess around with the page's established format, with E3 news rolling in, and several editors updating the page. Also there were several inaccuracies: non-exclusive games marked exclusive. There are also some disagreements about what TRULY constitutes an exclusive game, for instance Mercury Meltdown Revolution is just a Playstation port with a different name and Wiimote controls. State your case about why indication of exclusives is necessary before you proceed with further edits please. Tehw1k1 16:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Release date sort?

I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, but sorting by North American release date isn't working properly. --enbob89 19:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Same here. It does sort properly if I click the arrow three times. Tehw1k1 22:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Going through the edit history, it appears that it stopped working because of this edit: [3] There's a lot going on there so I'm not sure about how to fix it. Tehw1k1 06:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Now it's just not working at all. --enbob89 23:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Date formatting

What's the ideal way to format dates? They are done several different ways on the list. This should be added to the faq or the how-to guide on adding a new game. Tehw1k1 23:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Nintendogs Wii

Someone should add Nintendogs Wii to the list. Check out this http://wii.ign.com/articles/708/708027p1.html. --Scotty12 21:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

"Nothing specific yet, but it's definitely something that's in our minds." Has anything ever been mentioned about a Wii Nintendogs since E3 2006? If not, it's not really worthy of inclusion. --Optichan 00:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3

Release date for Europe is in December 2007.

dang

Why can't the 360 list, PS3 list and Wii list all share a consistent format? The Wii list format is the best, IMO. Tehw1k1 07:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Rock Band?

I don't think Rock Band is coming out for the Wii. I think it is only for PS3 and Xbox 360 24.115.70.56 01:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Game ratings info

Something that may be helpful to users would be to include the ESRB ratings in the table Jcgod 13:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

And the PEGI ratings? And the CERO ratings? What about those used in Australia, Brazil or New Zealand? Tim (Xevious) 21:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Which game do you think is the best

Well Which game do you think is the best for the wii? I have already finished Zelda and i think it is an amazing game any other game you might think is really goood for the wii.

       I think that Super Mario Stikers is the best game for the wii. But i personally would buy the Xbox 360  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chatterson (talk • contribs) 23:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC) 

As stated above, the talk page is for discussion of the article; it is not a forum for discussion of the Wii or it's games. Thanks 68.181.235.92 17:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Australia column

Necessary or no? Voice your opinion here. Should we have a vote on whether it stays or goes? Tehw1k1 16:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Are there only 4 Wii release regions? If so, I think it's fine. But if there are more, we'll end up with columns for Australia, Brazil, Surinam, etc. If anything, it could be set up by continent just to limit the number of columns we end up with. --Bakarocket 06:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That the Wii and its related software releases at different times for every country is the primary argument against having a column for Australia. Yes, Nintendo of Australia is a legitimate and realized company, but it still falls under the jurisdiction of Nintendo of Europe, as does Nintendo's South Africa and Middle East distribution. As such, the release dates between the two regions are very close, with release dates only a couple days away from each other. This is covered in the introduction, in which it is stated that individual release dates (i.e. that of Australia or New Zealand, or even South Korea and Singapore) varies from the given regional release dates (from Nintendo of Europe or Nintendo Company Ltd.) This list simply serves to give users an overall understanding of which Wii games have been released/announced and the dates, if available, for general regions. Specific release dates can be added to the individual games' pages. -Digiwrld1 00:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Wii sports 2

Satoru iwata talks about it in a interview, should we add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.16.253 (talk) 17:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

No, he simply mentioned that they aren't working on it in the interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digiwrld1 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Please sighn commentsThe Wii Guy 02:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding Dates

Are you guys even paying attention to the game dates or at least checking when the game releases. Because I can see alot of errors in the data base. Which namely comes from the dates alone. So before adding a game. Please check it's date with the GameFAQs Info database. Zeta26 22:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

GameFAQs, like Wikipedia, is completely user maintained and updated and cannot be relied upon solely. Because of the nature of the gaming industry, release dates are subject to change at any time; this makes it especially difficult to coordinate across three different regions, and even more so since much of the Japanese release dates are available on Japanese only sites. The dates on this list are compiled from the game lists on Nintendo's various sites (Nintendo Company Ltd, Nintendo of Europe, Nintendo of America), Developer and Publisher's sites (Electronic Arts, Activision, Ubisoft, etc.), retailer sites (EBGames, Play, etc.), dedicated gaming sites (IGN, GameSpot, Cubed3), and reputable gaming blogs (GoNintendo, Kotaku). Whenever possible data is cross-checked between these resources to ensure the most reliable information, but as there is a finite number of people working on and maintaining this list, each with their own activities, the data may not be as accurate as we would like. As such, this article is tagged with an 'update' template indicating that the dates of some of the titles need to be updated, and we invite you to help out if possible. Digiwrld1 02:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Even still you should not enter dates you're not well aware of. It's just foolhardy. No More Heroes wasn't announced December 12th for the Americas. It was for Japan's date, North America was gonna have it on February 2008. Take a hint for once and enter dates once the companies have confirmed them. Zeta26 22:27, 22 September 2007. (UTC)