Talk:List of United States senators expelled or censured

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Where is the neutrality of this page disputed? User:Dannyman 2017-02-09

Susan Warren

I am trying to clarify the nomenclature: some sources say she was censured, others say rebuked. The NY Times refers to Article XIX: http://www.rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=RuleXIX ... this appeals to be merely a rules manuever versus a formal condemnation of a senator. User:Dannyman 2017-02-09

Expulsion

When a senator is expelled, what happens to his seat? Is the senate left with 99 seats, if so, for how long? Would a new election be held? --Itinerant1 (talk) 11:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the historical examples (all in the era when state legislatures chose Senators) a new Senator was promptly appointed; I assume in the modern case it would be the same as a senator who died or resigned -- a short vacancy followed by either (depending on state law) an immediate special election (30-60 days or so) or an interim appointment until the next biennial general election. If the expulsion were somehow disputed at the state level, the vacancy might last longer. Worth putting something in the article? Willhsmit (talk) 01:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Gallatin

He was thrown out of the Senate and was the first to be so. So I put him on the list.98.14.221.26 (talk) 13:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congressional Bioguide indicates that Gallatin's election was voided, rather than that he was expelled, and http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Expulsion_Censure.htm does not list him. I think that if we include Gallatin (possibly in a separate list) there are a fair number of other voided elections - for example, Louis C. Wyman. Procedurally this is quite different, I think it's majority vote? Willhsmit (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing him fromt he list. He was removed on a party-line vote of 14-12 by the full Senate. This margin is insufficient for expulsion, so he must have been excluded on the basis of qualifications. He was not expelled. JasonCNJ (talk) 16:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Blount

The lede mentioned that the Senate concluded it could not try an impeached Senator and cites the "Senate Historical Minutes" as the reference source. I take issue with this characterization.

First, some background. For a very long time, I used to believe that any Senator or Representative was subject to the House's power to impeach. A few years ago, however, I came around to the opposite view: the members of the House and the Senate are not within the Constitutional definition of a "civil or military officer" upon whom the House has the "sole power" to impeach. Nevertheless, the Senate in 1789 (or since) never made a finding on the question of whether or not it could try the impeachment of a Senator. In the dismissal for lack of jurisdiction, the Senate did not say "The House cannot impeach Senators." And, even if it did, the House is the coordinate branch to whom the "sole Power" to impeach is granted. Unless and until the House itself believes it lacks the authority to impeach a Senator, the authority remains untested and unworthy of such bold claims that the House cannot do it.

I don't intend to make this page (or this article) the subject of a longer debate on the minute powers of impeachment upon Members of Congress. I just think that the article should reflect the facts about Blount without speculating on the opinions of the Senate that are unsupported. Thus, I think the lede should read as follows:

In 1789, the Senate expelled William Blount for treason; on the same day as his expulsion, the House of Representatives impeached him for treason, sending his trial to the Senate. Later that year, the Senate dismissed the impeachment for lack of jurisdiction -- leaving unclear if the lack of jurisdiction was due to the fact that Blount had been a Senator, that Blount had already been expelled, or that Blount refused to appear. The House has never again initiated an impeachment inquiry or proceeding against a Senator; all further discipline against Senators has been conducted by the Senate itself.

I'm eager to hear the views of this community before I make such a change to the article and I'm more than happy to discuss edits to my version above that may make it better. JasonCNJ (talk) 08:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

W. A. Clark of Montana

(See his Wikipedia article and Wikipedia article 'List of United States senators from Montana') Clark was voted into the Senate in 1899 and expelled (forced to resign) in 1900. He then turned around and got himself elected to Montana's other Senate seat in 1901. Jwilsonjwilson (talk) 23:17, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article Name

Many of the people listed here were subjected to expulsion or censure proceedings but were not expelled or censured. The name of the article is therefore misleading. Shouldn't it be renamed something like: "List of Senators subjected to Expulsion or Censure Proceedings"?Bill (talk) 00:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shiff

Shiff just got censured today lol. 6-21-2023. 173.216.49.62 (talk) 02:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He is not a Senator. 2600:4040:23DB:4200:B544:C92F:2023:F8D9 (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]