Talk:List of The Goon Show episodes

Link every show?

If no one has any great objection, I will (some time in the distant future) link every episode that still exists to a transcript of that episode. --AGoon 12:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Goon Again not a Goon Show

Goon Again can't really be said to be a Goon Show - none of the participants were Goons. Best we leave this performance on the Goon page under revivals etc ? (otherwise should we not add all other performances of Goon imitators?) --AGoon 00:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

KEEP. Not strictly a Goon Show, but it had Andrew Secombe and was as true to the show as possible. However, if anyone adds any unofficial (ie. non BBC) Goon imitations they should be deleted.--AlbertW 15:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually after listening to a bit, it is rather good. http://www.jakeludington.com/audiobooks/Goon_Again.html --AlbertW 16:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The Goons Hit Wales

Could somebody please check The Goons Hit Wales in the Sixth Series. This was all messed up. I fixed it, but am not sure if it is correct. HairyWombat 04:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Strange wiki-linking of dates

Dates of shows were wiki-linked in the form of ([[1 Mar|1st March]] 1959) which seemed extremely pointless. The main reason for wiki-linking dates is to allow them to automatically reformatted to whatever the viewers preferences are, but this way of linking defeats that. The dates themselves have no particular relevance, so I've simply removed all the linking and left the fixed format left by a previous editor. If someone decides it is imperative to wiki-link the dates (which is pretty pointless :-), please use a format that will actually be reformatted to users preferences, eg ([[1 Mar]] [[1959]]). --AGoon 11:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Excessive links

Not every episode needs an article for it, especially as most of such articles would be little more than plot summaries, with very little to no outside coverage to draw on for a particular episode. Primary sources alone are not sufficient for articles. In addition, a random check of several blue links shows that many are unrelated to the show.--Drat (Talk) 02:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

revamp

Would anyone have any objections if I gave this article something of a re-vamp? There's far too much red on the page to be healthy and the tables have a number of WP:ACCESS issues which I'd like to address. Cheers - SchroCat (^ • @) 14:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

"Recorded without..."

The references in the eighth series to episodes where they were "recorded without" Geldray or Ellington are not entirely accurate. All it states in Roger Wilmut's Companion is simply "without". They indeed didn't appear in the final broadcast, but their musical items were in fact edited out as a previous version of the article stated. This can be verified in the liner notes in the recent Goon Show Compendia written by Andrew Pixley. As a matter of fact, Ellington's item does appear in the BBC's CD release of "The Plasticine Man" and Ellington himself appears for at least one line in "The Curse of Frankenstein". If there are no objections, I would be happy to make some appropriate changes with adequate referencing. Of course we wouldn't be having this discussion had Milligan stuck to the proper length of script! -- Darijoe (talk • contribs) 12:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Should the GoonShowRadio reference be deleted?

"The on-line station GoonShowRadio broadcasts most of these 100 episodes continuously." The clear implication here is that GoonShowRadio (if it's still going, I haven't checked) has just recorded thes episodes of Radio 4 Extra and is streaming them illegally. If so, I suggest deleting the reference. Lee M (talk) 02:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Show called "The Treasure Of Loch Lomond"

In the "The Goons" Volume 9 (CD) there is a show called "The Treasure of Lock Lomond" which is not in this index. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:fe1:8080:dd00:9189:6d6a:4d66:81e7 (talk) 06:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes it is, sixth series episode 24 "The Treasure in the Lake". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:56, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Extraneous [sic]

One of the episodes is called "The Mystery of the Marie Celeste (Solved!)". Until recently it was listed as "The Mystery of the Marie [sic] Celeste (Solved!)". The word [sic] (Latin for 'thus') was added to show that the word 'Marie' was not a typo. It also indicated that it was a spelling error by the original author. That is, of course, nonsense. A title cannot contain a spelling error. It is a name and it can be spelled any way that the author wishes. The main thing is that actual title does not contain the word '[sic]'. If someone really wants to add incorrect text to a correct title then that editor should use [sic] not [sic]. OrewaTel (talk) 00:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The Mystery of the Marie Celeste can be presumed to be a reference to the Mary Celeste, a ship "best known for being discovered adrift and deserted in the Atlantic Ocean off the Azores Islands on December 4, 1872" (to quote the article I just linked to). That was a real ship, not a fictional one. Its name has a correct spelling.

—VeryRarelyStable 01:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Presumed? We deal with cited facts not presumptions. The title of the episode was clearly 'Marie Celeste' without a [sic]. All three contemporaneous Goons were educated. Michael Bentine (still their friend) was even more of a historian. If they wanted to call the episode 'Mary Celeste' they would. OrewaTel (talk) 01:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The reason for adding [sic] is to emphasise that this is the spelling used by sources, and to deter people from "correcting" it from Marie to Mary. The untemplated form [sic] was added by Hengistmate (talk · contribs) with this edit at 22:49, 16 December 2015, which I amended less than two hours later, and it remained unchanged until yesterday.

To the comment that editor should use [sic] not [sic] - that is precisely what I did back in 2015, and at no point since has the untemplated form [sic] been used. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

But the point remains that the title is Marie Celeste not Marie sic Celeste. Titles by definition are either right or wrong. The actual spelling is unimportant. If you are going to start applying your standards to other people's titles then you will be very busy. As an example Shakespeare wrote 'Cymbeline'. The hero was actually 'Cunobeline' but adding a [sic] to Cymbeline would be very wrong. So do you think we should go through English literature and add sics to thousands of titles, should we use a double standard and tag some but not others or should we simply accept that the title is what the author wrote? OrewaTel (talk) 08:58, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Nobody is saying to write Marie sic Celeste. As for Cymbeline, that is a bad analogy. First, the play Cymbeline is far more widely known than the historical King Cunobeline, and nobody is likely to want to correct it; second, Shakespeare was notoriously inconsistent with spelling - even spelling his own name in several different ways. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:18, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The only reason for adding [sic] is to show the editor's erudition. You may not have heard of Cunobeline but those of us with a classical education have. Looking at my bookshelf, I see the 5th Discworld book is called 'Sourcery', the 6th is 'Wyrd Sisters' and there is also 'Carpe Jugulum'. On the next shelf are, 'Centaur Aisle' and 'Crewel Lye'. Spellings that differ from the norm are very common in titles. OrewaTel (talk) 10:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The ship in the Goon Show Marie Celeste episode has all its life boats. Surely this is the fictional Marie Celeste from Arthur Conan Doyle's story J. Habakuk Jephson's Statement and not the real Mary Celeste. The sic-tag is inappropriate because there is no spelling error.2401:7000:DB96:AE00:A56A:6DC:E8A6:C6B (talk) 09:25, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

To quote the page you just linked to:

The change to the ship's name possibly was accidental, since Doyle did not change the name of the Dei Gratia, the ship that salvaged the Mary Celeste.

—VeryRarelyStable 11:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

That this episode refers to the fictional ship Marie Celeste rather than the real Mary Celeste shows that the ' [sic]' is not only unnecessary but is in fact wrong. Therefore it must be removed. OrewaTel (talk) 11:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Does the Goon Show episode reference the Conan Doyle story in any capacity, except for the name of the ship? You need to get consensus to make this change.

—VeryRarelyStable 12:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

The Goon Show makes no reference but the ship's crew served dinner before evacuating via rafts. Consequently the Marie Celeste was left in a perfect state with its lifeboats on board. Contrast to the Mary Celeste that was in a poor state with its solitary lifeboat missing. The characters invariably called the ship Marie rather than Mary and a lifebelt clearly had the name 'Marie Celeste'. I think we need a cite to show that there was ever an intention to refer to the Mary Celeste. OrewaTel (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

In the Conan Doyle story, the crew do not evacuate via rafts but are abducted on canoes. I don't think this is enough to demonstrate that the show is referencing the story specifically rather than the cultural accretions around the actual Mary Celeste incident. —VeryRarelyStable 04:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)