Talk:List of Swahili settlements of the East African coast

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South Somalia

The sources you have posted are fringe and do not align with the contemporary sources that have archeological backings. I'll prove to you why they are fringe sources.

Somalis have always inhabited the southern interior and coast since antiquity. Sarapion was the predecessor of Mogadishu, Essina and Toniki were predecessors of Merca and Barawa. They were referred to as Somali city-states. [1] [2]

It is also supported by archeology. I'll post a list of them.

1. Somalis have inhabited Somalia for the last seven thousand years. [3]

2. Do you know how Swahilis were made? Bantus from the interior moved into the coast and large-scale Arab and Persian migration mixed with these people and thus new people were born. Bantus have never inhabited the interior of southern Somalia nor were their Swahili presence on the coastline. Archeological research has been conducted and could not find any evidence. These fringe claims originated from the book of al Zanj which has been discredited by modern scholars as unreliable. [4]

3. Archeology shows that Somalis founded these coastal towns before the advent of trade dating back to four thousand years ago where they traded with ancient Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Persians, Indians and etc. [5]

4. Even the Swahili coast today once belong to South Cushitic people and the coast was once known as Azania before the advent of Bantu expansion but the Bantu expansion did not cross Tana River let alone pass through modern-day southern Somalia.

5. Arabs never invaded Somalia nor settled into Somalia by force. These were merchants and refugees that were given permission to settle and pay tribute to the local Somali rulers. [6]

Southern Somalia's coastline being inhabited by non-Somalis has been thoroughly debunked by the modern research of the archeological community and these fringe theories associating Swahili or the Muslim immigrants from west Asia with south Somalia are not taken seriously anymore. Therefore it is best to refrain from posting the disputed content. Many thanks. Ayaltimo (talk) 23:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ayaltimo Your above sources are all one-sided, baised, outdated, ethnocentric and very nationalistic. you just posted links to book covers. None of the sources you sent are accessible to teh exact information you claim. Please refer to citing source and verifiability Wikipedia:Verifiability and learn to use valid academic sources like JSTOR. I welcomed you to engage and follow the appropariate steps including using this page for constructive discussion, but you keep on deleting the section rather than improve it by citing relaible sources that show an your perspective. I'd advise you to please stop vandalising this page disruption Thanks! Halidtz (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stay on topic? You have just proved to me that you are incapable of providing any evidence to counter these discoveries. These were from the archeological research community thus automatically making them neutral. I can bring up more neutral sources such as the African history of Cambridge a very credible academic research for all African studies. [7]

Seems no doubt now that the Arab geographers had particularly the Somali in mind when they spoke of the 'black Berbers' of the horn ; and the earlier use of the term by Greek writers may very well indicate a more ancient occupancy of the Horn by the same stock of people. The contacts between the Near and the Middle East on the one hand, and the African side of the Gulf of Aden on the other, were very old and regular; and the earliest advent of Islam in these regions must have certainly occurred within the first century of the Muslim era. During the eighth and ninth centuries Islam had struck very deep roots in the coastal regions of the Gulf, and, as was shown above, the impact of this had already begun to be felt in the interior of central Ethiopia.

The inhabitants of the Horn at that time seem to have been ancestors of the present-day Somali. Their most important coastal settlements were Zeila and Berbera on the Gulf of Aden, and Mogadishu, Merca, Brava on the Benadir coast. Each of these settlements apparently owed its growth and development on the regular stream of merchants from Arabia, and from the countries around the Persian Gulf, who visited these places and who later started to live in them.

Sada Mire a renowned archaeologist of Somali studies and a WP:Mainstream modern historian had this to say. [8]

In terms of Mogadishu, the pottery analysis carried out by Professor Paul Sinclair, taken together with other archaeological evidence, seems to support this latter suggestion (ibid).). The 'Arab' factor in Somali history has already been recognized by Hersi (1979) and Mukhtar (1987). These local dynasties were ruled by 'Somalinized Arabs or Somali strongly influenced by Arabic culture', wrote Cerulli (1957: 147). It is indeed likely that Mogadishu blossomed under Arab and Persian influences, but one must not ignore the archaeological evidence which supports the view that Somalis came to play an important part in the Indian Ocean and Arabian trade several centuries BC. Hourani (1995) suggests, as noted earlier, that Greek textual evidence implies that it was the Somalis, rather than the Arabs, who during the time dominated seafaring routes along the Indian Ocean and Arabia. The textual and archaeological evidence, taken together, suggest earliest towns along the Somali coast were likely founded upon an indigenous network involving hinterland trade and this may have happened even before significant Arab migrations or trade with the Somali coast.'

It is very clear and supported by archaeological and textual evidence that the Somalis were present on the coast even before the existence of the Swahili civilization. Ayaltimo (talk) 01:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bantu People?

Perplexing that the article credits all these settlements to Bantu People. A common theme of these archaic settlements is the ruins of Mosques. Fascinating, I never knew Bantu People originated Islam as well! Does this mean they were also responsible for the East African Slave Trade? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:70F5:2400:4DEF:7FBC:1D3:4A91 (talk) 07:26, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]