Talk:List of Saint Patrick's crosses

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Cross pattée

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The cross pattée has long been associated with St. Patrick, for reasons that are uncertain. One possible reason is that bishops' mitres in Ecclesiastical heraldry often appear surmounted by a cross pattée. ^[1] ^[2] An example of this can be seen on the old crest of the Brothers of St. Patrick. ^[3] As St. Patrick was the founding bishop of the Irish church, the symbol may have become associated with him. St. Patrick is traditionally portrayed in the vestments of a bishop, and his mitre and garments are often decorated with a cross pattée. ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7] ^[8]

The cross pattée retains its link to St. Patrick to the present day. For example,it appears on the coat of arms of both the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Armagh^[9] and the Church of Ireland Archdiocese of Armagh. ^[10] This is on account of St. Patrick being regarded as the first bishop of the Diocese of Armagh. It is also used by Down District Council which has its headquarters in Downpatrick, the reputed burial place at St. Patrick.

It's all original research and partly circular argument. If the cross pattée is associated with bishops generally, then that explains why it appears on depictions of Patrick in bishop's robes and why it appears in the arms of dioceses. But in that same sense it appears in the arms of dioceses other than Armagh, which have nothing to do with Patrick, (the "Arms of an Anglican bishop" image is an example!) and in pictures of other bishop-saints. The five references for "his mitre and garments are often decorated with a cross pattée" are mere images, a random assortment that might as well have been cherry-picked via Google Image search. Images illustrate facts, but do not prove them. The reference to Down District Council is spurious, as the council website states:

The new Down District Council insignia was officially launched by the former Clerk and Chief Executive, Owen O'Connor, on 12 October 1992. The design is based on an early Christian Cross Slab from Saul, the original landing place of St. Patrick in Ireland, and located within the Down District.

The early Christian Cross is not stated to be called "St Patrick's Cross" (if it is so called, then it would indeed be relevant, like the Ballina crest). The cross in the Patrician Brothers' logo looks to me like a celtic cross rather than a cross pattée. jnestorius^(talk) 23:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttp://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/heraldry/charges/crowns.html

[2] ttp://etc.usf.edu/clipart/80400/80471/80471_mitre.htm

[3] ttp://www.brothersofstpatrick.com/crest.htm

[4] ttp://catholicism.about.com/b/2012/03/17/happy-saint-patricks-day.htm

[5] ttp://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/St.%20Patrick.html

[6] ttp://www.maynoothcollege.ie/news/HappySaintPatricksDay2011.shtml

[7] ttp://www.stthomasaquinaschurch.org/Stained%20Glass%20Chapel%20-%20St%20Patrick.html

[8] ttp://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2012-03-17

[9] ttp://www.armagharchdiocese.org/

[10] ttp://armagh.anglican.org/

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