Talk:List of Produce 48 contestants

Group battle performances roles need simplify

• Can anyone provide a source that confirms the Leader, Lead Vocal, Sub vocal 1-5, rapper 1-2, sub rapper 1-2, and center positions for the group battle performances? This appears to be a huge load of original research from watching the actual episode and taking guesses as to their roles. Those specific roles are not important to keep track. It's also not clear what the bolding is for. It should be simplified to listing just the team captain with a (C) and the other 4-5 members. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

The actual performances they use those classifications (Sub vocal 1, etc), so I've added sourcing as well as the team names, but the team captain still isn't confirmed. Can someone provide another source indicating such? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:07, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Remove letter grades and episodic rankings

The letter grades were just initial groupings for the contestants, but they are not documented anywhere proper. It's not like they stay with that assigned group the entire time. They should be removed. Also the episodic rankings for Ep. 4 don't seem to be useful at all. They are not sourced anywhere, and it is not clear where the 1000 votes goes towards the Ep. 5 overall total or just for that competition. They're not being tracked on the individual profiles either. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't see a reason to NOT include them? As a fan, I like having the information available, especially because they're not shown on the official profiles. 82.27.46.158 (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

They're still not reliably sourced. If you can point to news articles that give the complete results, then it could be reconsidered. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I've removed the tags from the judges' individual letters as that can be sourced by the episode itself. I also cleaned up and sourced the comparative rankings for each of the episode 6-7 songs, and removed the vote counts with bonus, replacing it with just the bonus the contestant would get towards their overall score as stated "The #1 trainee in each group received 5,000 additional points, which will be added to their overall vote ranking" [1] As for "as a fan" see also WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NOTSTATS so that new columns in tables aren't originally researched. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:33, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that's totally reasonable! I mainly meant the letter rankings because they are included heavily in the earlier episodes and they were relevant for many events - which classes the members were assigned to, who was able to apply for NEKKOYA center as grade A, etc. (Also, the epsiode 3-4 rankings aren't original research; they were displayed on a huge screen in the actual show, at the end of episode 4.) 82.27.46.158 (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Japanese names should be ordered as Family/Given

I disagree with the Western Given/Family name ordering for the Japanese contestants, for multiple reasons:

• It doesn't match the order of either their Japanese names or their Korean translations. In fact, if you know Korean and/or Japanese, it just makes things more confusing, since the Korean names exactly match their Hangul but the Japanese names are reversed from their Kanji/Hangul, so you will never see the Western name order while watching the show (other than Alex Christine, of course).
• The English name translations on the official Mnet web site are listed in Family/Given order just like their Hangul, so the current name ordering doesn't match the source the names are from, either.
• Practically, it makes sorting the table by name somewhat useless since the Korean contestants are sorted by their family name while the Japanese contestants are sorted by their given name.

So, I'd argue that it makes far more sense to reorder the Japanese names to family/given for both consistency and practicality. Mongoose22 (talk) 05:50, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

How is it confusing? The Japanese names are shown with the extra Japanese text anyway, and everyone else that isn't part of that scheme is formatted as Korean name. The sorting by family name can be solved with {{sortname}} AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:24, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Using the sort tag would help, but again, why are we using the Western ordering when all the material for the names is in Japanese ordering, including the English and Korean translations on the official Mnet website? Or, to put it another way, what reason is there to not use the Family/Given ordering? Going out of our way to use our own Western name ordering where we can just follow the official names and be more consistent to boot seems weird to me. EDIT: On second thought, {{sortname}} will break the Korean names by displaying them as Given/Family. It's deprecated in favor of data-sort-value. Mongoose22 (talk) 03:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm only applying sortname to the Japanese names, as the Korean names will sort by Family name. AKB48 had previously used both Eastern and Western formats, but most of the media surrounding their groups including their English translated websites is now going by Western name format. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Japanese people born after 1812 should be listed in Western order (first name last name) as agreed upon on MOS:JAPAN, and because they've adopted this name order for Western publications since 1812. By keeping it as family name first, it will be confusing because it will not be consistent to all Japanese-related articles on Wikipedia. Plus, most Western media and publications will refer to them with first name first. The only exception I can think of is Utada Hikaru, but that's because she used that name on purpose and has actually published content using that name order in Western media. Plus, it can be viewed as a stage name. lullabying (talk) 17:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Well the more prominent example of insistence on Eastern order for stage name, album names and so forth is Koda Kumi but Utada has made a strong case as well. The AKB48 official website is translating their members names in English in Western order and that the news articles printed in English media also support Western order for AKB48 members. As this show is a joint production with AKB48, I would think it's not that confusing. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:34, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Color scheme for elimination chart

Please decide on the color scheme you will use for the chart on the main article and for here. They should not be different colors as that is too confusing. I would recommend shades of red to purple for all the folks who are eliminated, but use that bright blue or limegreen for the final winner. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I have synced the two tables with the same colors. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Table and color scheme changes

Galaxymous, please do not add the Total number of votes. That's original research and completely irrelevant to the show. Also if you're going to change the color scheme, you need consensus and be consistent across this article and the main Produce48 article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:14, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Fanboynic, please do not calculate and post the Total number of votes. That is a meaningless statistic as the overall determination of who is on the team is not cumulative over 12 episodes, but rather only the ep 12 vote. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Color scheme change

Bright colors hurts the eye while pastel colors do not. And the color scheme from the contestants’ list doesn’t always match with the main article (see last seasons).Kindly recondiser AngusWOOF :)Galaxymous (talk) 07:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Galaxymous, the List of Produce 101 contestants (season 2) table has the problem of listing the top 12 as the very similar yellow color as the "eliminated from episode 11" as well as not being consistent with the winning orange color for the individual episodes. The current scheme shows gradual color change from red to blue and then the bright blue for the final contestant selection. If you want to change the episode 8 color to yellow and leave the orange color for top 12 and "winners" then that's fine too.

Current Color key:

  Final member of IZ*ONE

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 12

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 11

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 8

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 5

  Contestant withdrew from competition

  Contestant finished in that week's top 12

Proposed Color key:

  Final member of IZ*ONE

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 12

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 11

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 8

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 5

  Contestant withdrew from competition

  Contestant finished in that week's top 12

Can you list your proposed key here and we can see what others think about it? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:20, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposed Color key 2:

  Contestant withdrew from competition

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 5

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 8

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 11

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 12

  Final member of IZ*ONE

  Contestant finished in that week's top 12

One of the IP editors has changed the current table to this scheme: Color key:

  Final member of IZ*ONE

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 12

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 11

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 8

  Contestant was eliminated in Episode 5

  Contestant withdrew from competition

  Contestant finished in that week's top 12

AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:03, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Izone

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