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Years Absent

Is this collective or since last relegation? It says Burnley have been absent for 20 years, yet they were last relegated in 2010? Yet for QPR it only says 1 year.Gunk 78 (talk) 19:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Table

could anyone finish the table thanx

Should Luton and Notts County be included in this table? They've never played in the premier ship!

@Lowercaserho: The table's legend explanation looks better now. But please also define "spell" for readers. DA1 (talk) 04:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Freezing panes

It would be a useful feature to be able to keep the column headings in view while scrolling down a table which is longer than a computer screen. This feature exists in Microsoft Excel as 'Freezing panes'. Any chance?

Wimbledon F.C.

Just wondering what the consensus is on this. Acknowledging Wimbledon F.C.'s history of participation in the Premier League (and thus their place on this table) I wonder whether the MK Dons should be the team with its league position etc recorded here as the "current position" (as of season end) of Wimbledon F.C. I'm not trying to promote my own idea here - I'm undecided to be honest, and as I say I'm wondering what the consensus is - but I do think that those filling in this table might be unaware that as of 2006 (if i recall correctly), the MK Dons reached an agreement with the Football Supporters Federation by which they agreed to surrender any claims to be Wimbledon F.C.'s successor club - that honour now lies with the London Borough of Merton, and not any other football club. If we take this, should we consider Wimbledon F.C. to be closed and stop updating their "current status" with the Dons'? Or should we continue to use the Dons' as a matter of simplicity and/or practicality? Falastur2 (talk) 00:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wimbledon F.C. should be the team in the table, because they were the team who played during the Premier League. But according to the Football Association, Wimbledon F.C. are a distinct club from both MK Dons and AFC Wimbledon, so I'd suggest that the last season entry is incorrect. Otherwise the line is totally correct. Peanut4 (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was officially a relocation and rebranding. As far as I'm concerned, AFC Wimbledon is a new club, and MK Dons is the same as the old Wimbledon, although I'm sure it's lost most of its original fans (who call it Franchise FC, resulting in the creation of AFCW). Digifiend (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned by Falastur2, MK Dons have now ceased their claim to Wimbledon's history, and the trophies won by Wimbledon have been taken to Morden library. (When Saturday Comes Issue 254, p26) When even MK Dons have stopped claiming to be the same club, it is definitely incorrect to imply it in this table. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure we should take it that far. While obviously I think we shouldn't credit the MK Dons with the Premier League history, I'm not advocating removing all reference to Wimbledon. Since the team in this table is "Wimbledon" and not "MK Dons" I've no qualms, and I think it would be wrong of us to deny Wimbledon's history in this table just because there is no club who can legitimately claim Wimbledon's history - if that were the case, then we should change the article on the first FA Cup competition to show only the six teams which still exist and remove reference to the other ten which have closed. Please correct me if I've misunderstood your comment, of course, but if you are arguing for removing Wimbledon from this table entirely, then I have to disagree. Falastur2 (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A misunderstanding. I am stating opposition to using MK Dons for the "most recent finish" column, in terms of the question raised in your original post. Certainly not outright removal! Oldelpaso (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. Consider my last statement revoked. Falastur2 (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wimbeldon is defunct per se and seperate to both MK Dons and AFC Wimbledon. They have both argeed to share Wimbledon's heritage and infact the trophies have gone back to AFC, so they are the real spiritual successor.

Watford

Says have spent 2 consecutive seasons, yet their highest place is 20th? There must be a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.145.187 (talk) 18:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sort order

The sort order on the "highest finished" column is broken, 19th is not higher than 1st last time I checked. 86.135.156.180 (talk) 06:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Season

This column makes no sense in its current form seeings as more than half of the clubs are not currently playing in the Premier League so should not have a column to say when their current run in the Premier League started... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.222.85 (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everton

If you're including the district of the city they play in then Everton's ground is actually in Walton. 94.194.13.221 (talk) 16:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clubs to have played in old First Division but not Premier League

There was previously a wikilink to a sub-section on the article for the old first division, with a table of clubs who have played in the old First Division (i.e. when it was the top division), but not the Premier League.

I think this remains useful information, so have dug back in time to get the table. Where to put it though, I don't know. Grunners (talk) 15:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clubs who have competed in the top flight First Division, but not the Premier League, include:

Club	First Division Titles	FA Cups Won	League Cups Won	Total Seasons	Last Relegation	Current Status (2011–12)	Levels in Pyramid
Accrington^†	–	–	–	5	1892–93	Defunct	–
Bradford Park Avenue	–	–	–	3	1920–21	Northern Premier League Premier Division	7
Brentford	–	–	–	5	1946–47	League One	3
Brighton & Hove Albion	–	–	–	4	1982–83	Championship	2
Bristol City	–	–	–	9	1979–80	Championship	2
Bury	–	2	–	22	1928–29	League One	3
Cardiff City	–	1	–	15	1961–62	Championship	2
Carlisle United	–	–	–	1	1974–75	League One	3
Darwen	–	–	–	2	1893–94	North West Counties Football League First Division	10
Glossop North End	–	–	–	1	1899–1900	North West Counties Football League Premier Division	9
Grimsby Town	–	–	–	12	1947–48	Conference National	5
Huddersfield Town	3	1	–	30	1971–72	League One	3
Leyton Orient	–	–	–	1	1962–63	League One	3
Luton Town	–	–	1	16	1991–92	Conference National	5
Millwall	–	–	–	2	1989–90	Championship	2
Northampton Town	–	–	–	1	1965–66	League Two	4
Notts County	–	1	–	30	1991–92	League One	3
Oxford United	–	–	1	3	1987–88	League Two	4
Preston North End	2	2	–	46	1960–61	League One	3

^† The Accrington Stanley club competing today in League Two, as well as its 1891 predecessor, are unrelated to the original Accrington club.

Huddersfield

Slightly pedantic perhaps (but I've seen it be an issue on other articles) - Huddersfield Town are not yet a Premier League club. The season flips over from one to the next on 1st July. Grunners (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Chart readability

I don't find the colored chart unreadable. A team's bar changes from brown to yellow once it becomes a Champion and remains that way. It's easy to look at each year and see who the member teams are as well as their competitive history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjnester (talk • contribs) 04:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First Division + Premier League table

I see there is not a table of all participants to first division until 1992, and not even a summary table of participants to all top flight leagues (first division until 1992 + premier league). I think that would be an interesting statistic, since there is a sportive continuity to these leagues, and in one list we can have all clubs which partecipated to top level in Englad, as we have on Serie A, Bundesliga, Liga Primera Division etc.--Simbadwiki (talk) 06:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC) Or at least a simple list like this one https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Serie_A#Seasons_in_Serie_A --Simbadwiki (talk) 06:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]