Talk:List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry

Country

What is the exact source for the entries in the Country column? The general statement that this is from nobelprize.org, does not really help much. I am a bit surprised to see Hevesy with Germany, and with the Nazi German flag it may seem a bit awkward as well. I also did note that at some point in time Hungary was stated, but this has been changed by a user, who has been indefinitely blocked since then for „Persistent addition of unsourced content: Failure to communicate with fellow editors”. So where Germany is coming from? Szaszicska (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

A bit old but it remains unanswered, the footnote states that it's from the nobelprize.com reference and it may not be the country of birth, but the website doesn't have a "country" field by itself, but instead a "country of birth" and a "country of affiliation at the time of the prize". It is also a bit arbitrary how some laureates have multiple flags. Bsckr (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps if nobelprize.com has 2 fields for "country of birth" and "country of affiliation at the time of the prize", we should also have the same 2 fields. It would be more consistent than what seems to be the current policy of arbitraily using birth for some laureates and affiliation at the time of the prize for others. Dirac66 (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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IP edits

Dear IP,

please stop further disruption as you did in the main page and discuss there.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:54, 17 July 2020 (UTC))

To clarify for others what this controversy is about: Editor 177.54.76.225 (an "IP" because he identifies only by a number) has 3 times added a German flag to the American flag next to the name of 2019 winner John B. Goodenough, and editor KIENGIR has 3 times removed the German flag. The article on Goodenough says that he was born in Germany to American parents, and seems to have spent almost all his life and career in the USA except for a few years in England]. So the question seems to be whether or not the fact of his being born in Germany is sufficient reason to add a German flag.

This article also has some Notes at the top of the References section, and Note B says "B. The information in the country column is according to nobelprize.org, the official website of the Nobel Foundation. This information may not necessarily reflect the recipient's birthplace or citizenship." However the problem is that nobelprize.org is not very clear either. The page on John Goodenough [1] says "Born: 25 July 1922, Jena, Germany. Affiliation at the time of the award: University of Texas, Austin, TX, USA". I did not find a page at nobelprize.org which specifies what to consider as his "nationality"; nor did I find any flags on that site. So we need more guidance on how to interpret the information at nobelprize.org and determine what flags to associate with each person.

Have there been other Wikipedia discussions or policies on this point? I suspect that there are many Wikipedia articles about persons associated with more than one country. The Wikipedia Manual of Style at [2] says that "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable." Does this policy apply to the flags in a list of Nobel prize winners? Dirac66 (talk) 23:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

first of all, please do not alter my comments, however thank you for your trial to resolve the issue. The IP claims German citizenship for the subject, and because of that struggles recurrently to identify the subject as a German Nobel prize winner. There are cases when a Nobel Prize winner is fairly associated with more countries, but it is not decided solely by place of birth or citizenship, it may be more complex, which has been discussed already long time ago in the talk of the List of Nobel laureates by country article.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC))

Sorry to have altered your comment. I should have said in my own comment that I thought you wanted to ask the IP to discuss "here" on the talk page rather than "there" on the article (main) page.

As for the talk page of List of Nobel laureates by country, it seems to be a long collection of individual opinions without any consensus. I believe that what Wikipedia needs on this question is an agreed or official policy as to what countries (and flags) should be associated with each person. Dirac66 (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Sure, but anything official lacks as you pointed outregarding the commitee's website as well. So either new consensus should be built for every modification instance and/or we need more reliable sources not just contradicting earlier or other information, but reinforcing if a Nobel Prize Winner subject is widely regarded and treated as a Nobel Prize Winner also regarding another country.(KIENGIR (talk) 00:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC))

Regardless of whether or not John Goodenough had (and still has in 2019) German citizenship due to his having been born in Jena before WWII (and considering that he served in the US Army, which was at war against Germany, during WWII), and of which nationality or nationalities the Nobel Committee attributes him, it is a constant policy at Wikipedia that differences of opinion are not to be "resolved" by back-and-forth editing. If this edit war goes on, maybe this article should be protected against edits by unregistered users pending consensus about what exactly is (or ought to be) John Goodenough's nationality in 2019 in the eyes of the Nobel Committee. — Tonymec (talk) 22:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Sure, this will follow if the IP won't stop.(KIENGIR (talk) 18:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC))

List of Nobel laureate in Chemistry

Dear Wikipedians I have realised that this page is not completed. Note that in 2013 a South African chemist also won the Nobel prize . Please can I get help to complete and fix this problem. Thanks Einstein's bff (talk) 17:40, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Nonsense. The article cites the complete list published by the Nobel prize committee at "The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2013". Nobelprize.org. Archived from the original on 31 August 2017. Retrieved 9 October 2013., which has only the 3 names already in the article. And prizes in science categories are limited to 3 persons per year. Dirac66 (talk) 18:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

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Image column in the Laureates table

I think the Image column in the Laureates table is redundant and should be removed. Anyone interested in knowing more about a laureate and seeing his/her image can visit the linked Wikipedia page. Mas73Naz (talk) 06:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I think it should be kept, just like portraits and/or coats of arms in pages about lists of heads of state etc. belong where they are, as part of the encyclopedic content, even though the same portraits and/or arms can be seen in the individual pages about the various listed persons. — Tonymec (talk) 05:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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