Talk:List of Nigerian cities by population

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Some have raised such things as "The above figures are so fictitious and FAKE! They are not even close to any previous population estimates from 1959 to date. Not even the UN estimates!!!! Nigeria is such a sorry place called a country. It cannot even have a simple census. Because the oil resources of the country must be stolen and shared to northerners who quotethe most outrageously bloated population figures. Ofcourse, Nigeria is the only country in Africa where the population decreases from the desert north to the rainforest south! It is the reverse in all other countries of Africa!" Is this a valid claim? Let's look into this and see if we can get some better results. Of course that is one vandals opinion. Scott Oglesby (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

This page does not even have any references -- it seems to me that the data should either be referenced or deleted, as otherwise it is simply useless. However, on the issue raised by Scott, I don't think that demographic reference pages are the place to have arguments about politics. The question is just the population of these cities. Of course, it would be very helpful to have an idea of how the figures were arrived at, their accuracy or lack thereof, and so on. Mikeblyth (talk) 01:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Lagos and Ikeja

Lagos consists of 16 LGAs including Ikeja LGA, but Ikeja is also given separated as city. So I suggest to remove Ikeja from list.--Anatoliy (Talk) 13:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

• Hello,

Although, Ikeja is being administered as part of Lagos, it is distinct from the other LGAs, as it also acts to a significant degree as its own municipality, being the capital of Lagos State.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 09:51, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Figures changes

Hello @BlueGreenWhite:

This page was in existence for a while and basically it contained figures that were unverifiable and unreliable. I decided to overhaul it and ensure uniformity by letting all the figures conform with the official census figures, which is referenced in the concerned section. If you see a discrepancy, you are free to correct it too. However, if you want to revert edits, make sure you have checked the official figures and you can prove that the entry is indeed wrong.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:44, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

I have indeed checked the official figures and I can see a lot of disparities from the figures on this list. How do you define cities? @Jamie Tubers:

• The local governments which form each cities are explained in their individual articles, based on the state government definitions, or definitions from reliable publications. If you find any discrepancies on the list, feel free to correct them, as long as they are indeed discrepancies.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

• @Jamie Tubers: What informed your decision to alter the population figure for the Onitsha metropolis, which is a conurbation like Lagos and Port Harcourt that encompasses several local governments. If the figures solely take into account the population of cities proper, then Lagos, Port Harcourt and many other locations on this list would be broken up into their respective constitutent cities and each of their populations tallied. The Lagos metropolis, for instance, is not a single city. It's more or less a conurbation. If the new "rule" you arbitrarily introduce should be followed, then the Lagos metropolis would be broken up into Ikeja, Lagos Island and so forth, which are cities in their own right, legally and strictly speaking. By so doing, Lagos will lose its top spot and cities like Ikeja and Lagos Island will find their way into the list. Ikeja, for instance, will have a population of about 313,000 according to the 2006 census. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueGreenWhite (talk • contribs) 13:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

• Like I stated before, this page initially contained unverifiable figures. I have been trying to correct and make the figures conform with the census. Ofcourse, it is still a work in progress and I am constantly checking for each cities when I have the time. You are also free to correct any misinformation you see. But what you are reverting is not a misinformation. The sum of the two LGAs in Onitsha is what is in the corrected figure. Note that the section strictly deals with LGAs within City limits as defined by reliable sources. It doesn't include population of suburban areas or metro areas. There are sections for that, and I'll update them too, as i get free time.

And No, according to sources, the administrative division of Lagos has 16 LGAs. Asides Ikeja, none of the individual LGAs comes close to being regarded as its own city. Onitsha has two (Onitsha North and Onitsha South). if you can find a reliable source that says Onitsha proper extends beyond these two LGAs, then cite it here, and it will be reflected on the page. Your reverts are beginning to look like vandalism to me.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:26, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal

No reason why should there be two standalone articles listing the same cities in the same country, tables are sortable on Wikipedia. The new name should be :List of cities in Nigeria", as is the tradition of naming such lists. Openlydialectic (talk) 17:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Since no opposition in 4 months, this has been done. Onceinawhile (talk) 12:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

• I disagree with this move. In this List of Nigerian cities by population, cities are listed according to their population in different definitions...there's a cutoff population figure (which would continue to get higher) at which cities are no longer included. However, List of cities in Nigeria is a non-exhaustive list which is meant to document every settlement in Nigeria. The scope of the articles are very different, for them to be merged in one. And please, obtain a clear consensus before going ahead with this merger.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 01:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: Four months after Openlydialectic proposed this, and with two supports, that is clear consensus. Two versus one is still consensus after such a long time. You were wrong to revert the merge.

There is no reason for the two articles to have a different scope as you suggest.

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:01, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

• Just one support for a proposal can't be considered a "consensus" to merge articles which have been edited by hundreds of editors. Generally, when there's lack of discussion, the usual step is to mention the recent major contributors to the articles, not assume a non-discussion to be a consensus. Also remember that consensus is not a vote count, so your "agreed" support doesn't exactly say anything.

Moving forward, Can you please tell us why "there's no reason for the two articles to have a different scope"? I don't see anyone discussing the merger for all these six articles into one and several others like it?

Secondly, what you did with the article is not even in anyway a merger! You essentially deleted the content of one article and redirected the article to another. There was no "merger".

In conclusion, it is perfectly normal to have list articles about cities in a country with different scopes. If you want to challenge this norm, you'd have to do that at WP:RfC.... If the community agree with your stance, then a massive change can be made across all articles on Wikipedia. Cheers--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I’m sorry Jamie Tubers, but unless you can get support the articles will be put back together. You are currently a lone voice. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

• The beauty of Wikipedia is, it's not a popularity contest. If you can't reasonably justify your change, it won't be happening. Hahaha.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jamie Tubers: You are right that I haven’t explained my position, other than agreeing with the nominator.

The “list of cities” article provides no information which is not in the “list of cities by population” article; it is entirely duplicative. It isn’t organized in any useful way (e.g. by state). The only additional info it gives is bolding the most populous cities - again entirely duplicative and much less useful than showing the actual population. It is not even complete – Category:Cities in Nigeria and its subcategories contains more. It contains settlements which are not cities – e.g. Akpawfu – which clearly conflicts with the title. The article is so low quality, it could literally have been built in 5 minutes. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:36, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

• You claim that the article "provides no information which is not in the “list of cities by population” article", but still went on to cite an example of Akpawfu, which isn't in the other article. Quite contradictory? Moreover, just by quickly spot-checking the article, I can see several smaller cities and towns which didn't make it to the list by population article. This renders your "duplicative" claim to be invalid.

The incompleteness of an article doesn't justify you blanking it out and redirecting to a very different article. The appropriate approach would be to work towards expanding the list.

I do agree that the title is a bit out of place; changing "cities" in the title to "settlements" would be more appropriate for what the article intends to achieve. Cheers.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 00:52, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

OK good - I think we’re saying the same thing now. Let’s rename List of Nigerian cities to List of Nigerian settlements. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• "List of populated places in Nigeria" would seem to be a more appropriate and inclusive title to me. It also seems to be the standard title format for similar lists on Wikipedia.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:35, 15 December 2018 (UTC)