Talk:List of Nadars

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T.s Balaiah belongs to my village and i know that he was a nadar. Shanar 10:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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List of Eminent Gramanis

Ma.Po.Sivagnanam - Freedom Fighter, Founder-President of Tamil Arasu Kazhagam, Tamil Writer, Sahitya Akademi Award Winner and Former Speaker of Tamil Nadu Legislative Council. Prabanjan (Vaithilingam)- Famous Tamil Writer and Sahitya Akademi Award Winner Narana Duraikkannan - Tamil Writer The.Po.Meenakshi Sundaram Pillai - Tamil Writer The.Po.Krishnasamy Paavalar - Tamil Writer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.22.83 (talk) 13:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

do u have evidence for any of your claims? --CarTick 15:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Solomon Papaiyah is not a Nadar:

Hey friends, I found notable Tamil scholar Mr.Solomon Papaiyah in the list of Nadars. He is not a Nadar personality. Instead he belongs to Christian Kaikolan (Mudaliyar) community of Thirumangalam, Madurai District. Kindly Change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghavshree (talk • contribs) 04:53, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Please add Saravanaperumal IPS (Retired) in the police officers list.

195.59.168.254 (talk) 17:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

See below.  fetchcomms☛ 20:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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Please add the following people in the police officers list

Saravanaperumal IPS (Retired) and Arumugaperumal Aathithan Kanal Kannan - cinema stunt master Jaquar thangam - cinema stunt master pandiyarajan - Cinema actor Vijay Vasanthakumar - Cinema actor (nadodigal movie) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilsongnanasingh (talk • contribs) 12:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

195.59.168.254 (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source to verify.  fetchcomms☛ 20:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Shreesmani, 15 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Sushil_Kumar_(admiral) Former Chief of Naval staff Shreesmani (talk) 04:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Until we have a source for this, there is not a need to change the article. Please let us know when you have a good source, and we will make the change.

 Not done ^Avicenna_sis @ 04:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Nattathi, 7 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Zamindar Of Nattathi

Nadars where the Zamindars of Nattathi.Legendary accounts claimed that Nattathi where descent from the union of Cholas and pandyas.

Nadan, the Lord of Nattathi was a feudatory of the Kattabomma Nayaka, and his family was given Zamindari rights under the British Empire.

The last Zamindar Of nattathi Zamin Family was “Vaikunda Thiruvaluthi Nadar” who expired on 1892 his large properties where under legal dispute and it was divided among large number of claimants.

References:

http://books.google.com/books?id=XJ1trLdPc6IC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=nattatti+zamindar&source=bl&ots=wFxImKK3n-&sig=e_YCeVUPpxC8LLpBn1aGd4FgWm0&hl=en&ei=lRP2S5yjPJLcsgOxpZB-&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=KZ9mqiLgkdEC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=nattatti+zamindar&source=bl&ots=eKkDOibOvC&sig=lwwwPrGsduJRdrM1u1mRhq6znhQ&hl=en&ei=lRP2S5yjPJLcsgOxpZB-&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=nattatti%20zamindar&f=false

Nattathi (talk) 14:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome. This article is a list of people with a short description of each person. It isn't clear how you want to improve this article. Please make a more specific request with a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail. Thanks. Celestra (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Nattathi, 30 June 2010

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Note: There is no request here. Please stop making multiple incomplete requests. twilsonb (talk) 14:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Zamindars and Landlords

Zamindar of Nattathi Adityans of Kayamozhi

Nattathi (talk) 06:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.165.69.66, 6 September 2010

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M G Devasahayam , I.A.S - Ex-Deputy Comissioner,Chandigar & Managing Trustee, Citizens Alliance for Sustainable Living, Chennai,Author.

He has been in many other notable and responsible positions too,like IIT Madras chief consultant , in CMDA etc...pls find the person and add him to the list.... 122.165.69.66 (talk) 05:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 06:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.164.154.200, 21 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Business:

• V.V.Dhanushkodi Nadar - Founder of VVD group of Companies (VVD Coconut Oil)

122.164.154.200 (talk) 12:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. He must also have an article first to establish notability. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 13:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Calypsoguy, 4 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Vasantha Balan is not a nadar guy. I know him very well he belongs to Saiva Pillai.

Calypsoguy (talk) 12:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 13:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Vasantha Balan Belongs to Agamudaiya Muthaliyar clan. if you want use his name, u r the one to provide evidence how he can be callaed as sanar or nadar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.37.68 (talk) 06:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced list

Any entries without references will be deleted from this list soon. —SpacemanSpiff 07:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Peterrajesh, 31 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Dr. A. Neelalohithadasan Nadar, senior Janatha Dal leader, was born as the son of Shri. K.P. Appi Nadar and Smt. A. Kunjulekshmy on 28th August 1947. A Law graduate, he holds a Doctorate in Hindi as well.

Taking an active interest in political affairs even during his student days, he joined Indian National Congress in 1964, became the KSU District Secretary in 1967-68 and later its President. He was Member of State Youth Congress Committee in 1968 and became its President in 1969. Besides, he was a member of KPCC and AICC. He also served as Chairman, Kerala University Union in 1972.

During the emergency period he left INC and associated in the formation of the Congress For Democracy and became its State President. Subsequently he joined the Janatha Party when CFD merged with the Janatha Party. Later, he became the Parliamentary Party Leader and State Chairman of DSP. When the name of DSP was changed as Lok Dal, he became its Member, National Standing Committee and also State President.

Shri. Neelalohithadasan Nadar became elected to KLA for the first time in 1977 from Kovalam constituency. Again he was elected to KLA in 1987, 1996 and 2001 from the same constituency. He had been elected to KLA in 1991 too from Kovalam; however the election was declared void by theKerala High Court on 11-12-1991.

Dr. Neelalohithadasan Nadar held the portfolio of Law, Electricity, Irrigation, Labour and Housing in the C.H. Mohammed Koya Ministry from 16-11-1979 to 1-12-1979. He also held the Office of the Minister for Sports and Youth Affairs in the E.K. Nayanar Ministry from 2-4-1987 to 17-6-1991 and the Minister for Forests and Transport in Nayanar Ministry from 20-1-1999 to 13-2-2000.

Shri. Neelalohithadasan Nadar also had a remarkable stint as Member of Lok Sabha from 1980 to 1984. Also as the founder of “Kamaraj Foundation of India “ in 1976, he worked as its Chairman and was Member of State Library Council too. He worked as Manager, Printer and Publisher of the monthly “Yagadeepam”. He started “Gandhian Balakendras” in 1987 and worked as its Chief Patron.

He has been the Janatha Dal Legislature Party leader besides being a Member of Janatha Dal National Executive Committee. Earlier, he was also its State Secretary General, till 1999.

Smt. Jameela Prakasham is his wife and they have two daughters.

Peterrajesh (talk) 11:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC) Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. First, all of the above needs to be supported by reliable sources. Second, it looks like you're trying to create a new article; the place to do that is WP:Articles for creation; note, though, that you'll need to provide sources for that information. This page is just a simple list of people in the Nadar caste. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 117.206.86.102, 29 May 2011

many of popular nadars names are missing for example mohan c Lazarus he is the founder of jesus redeems.nadars have many educational institution that is also missing

Nelson nallathambi (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Wintonian (talk) 02:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Problem with User:SpacemanSpiff

Being one of the early Wikipedians (18th or so), I often find some people suddenly start being possessive about their edits and remove everything else added by others. This insane behavior is there from the beginning and it sucks often. There are other people who'd do "Google Test" and remove every "commonsense" on South Indian topic. Someone jumping in and acting like an expert or guard of good things are not new. But, it's insane that User:SpacemanSpiff is keep reverting my edit that has sane reason and labeling mine as vandalism. Long live Wikipedia. --Rrjanbiah (talk) 08:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

You still haven't given a source for your edits. Period. —SpacemanSpiff 10:22, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 27 October 2011

MLAs: A.Pauliah M. C. Balan S. Retnaraj

Jagamani (talk) 19:02, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. None of those stubs mention that they are Nadars. — Bility (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

PROD

Start of copy from User talk:Sitush

there is a big tag stating that the article will be deleted what does it mean sitush?Mayan302 (talk) 14:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

There is a drive going on at the moment to "tag and assess" India-related articles - see this thread. AroundTheGlobe appears to have selected the "List of X caste" category as an area to concentrate upon while helping with the drive. I am unsure why they have nominated List of Nadars for deletion under the WP:PROD process when they have not done the same for similar lists that they have assessed today. Personally, I agree with their general sentiment that categories would suffice for all such lists but I know for a fact that when these issues have been raised previously at WP:AFD they have invariably not gained consensus.

You could always just remove the tag but AroundTheGlobe would probably then just nominate the list at AfD. I am going to copy your query and this response to Talk:List of Nadars and solicit a reply from that contributor. - Sitush (talk) 14:20, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

End of copy from User talk:Sitush Hmm...does dat mean wiki will also delete articles like list of Italian Americans.o is this rule just meant for India related articlesMayan302 (talk) 14:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• as Sityush mentioned, I was doing assessment of lists tagged WP India earlier today. A lot of the list I found to be unnecessary for various reasons and prodded them. You can have a look at the category [1] to see the others that have been tagged (unless they have been contested by tag removal). This list hardly has any prose, its mainly names, hence I tagged it as it would be better off as a category. I am unaware of past afds - maybe Sityush can throw light on those. Cheers, Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 14:45, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

There are loads of examples of them buried in the AfD archive morass. If you take this or any other that you have nominated to AfD on the grounds than a category will suffice then the nomination will definitely fail. I'll try to find you an example. - Sitush (talk) 14:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The essay here demonstrates how messy it is to prove the point that only a category is required, but it does also give reasons why a list might be deleted if it corresponds to a category. As I said, I'll try to find some actual examples. - Sitush (talk) 14:52, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Here are a couple:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of composers
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Dutch Comedians

The second one is particularly useful in its summary, as it points out that a category cannot contain a redlink but a list can. - Sitush (talk) 14:56, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Please also see the editing guideline Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates (WP:CLN, for short), especially the section entitled "Categories, lists and navigation templates are not duplicative" (WP:NOTDUP).--Arxiloxos (talk) 15:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the PROD, based on the info above. It is clearly not a proposal lacking in contentiousness. Feel free to nominate the article at WP:AFD. - Sitush (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Iv gone through the various links and Im still unconvinced. For it to qualify as a list there should be some sort of notability guideline for inclusion in the title (eg. List of Nadars who have represented India in sports). At the moment, theres not much prose, the names are stacked up without tables, which is akin to having all of them in a category. Im busy with the assessment drive at the moment, but yes I think I will be bringing this up in the future (not just this, but a broader discussion on people lists and minimum requirements). Cheers, Around The Globe^{सत्यमेव जयते} 09:16, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

That is fine. However, PRODs are only for non-contentious deletions & therefore the tag had to go. - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 October 2012

Dr T Selvaraj, NIT trichy , DEAN (from 2011 till present) He is from Tirunelveli district, Kavalkinaru, S/O Thangiah Nadar & Jeeva Rethanam. He did Phd in Robatics in 1996.Planning and Development

http://www.nitt.edu/home/academics/departments/prod/faculty/prof/tselva/nat_conf/ 111.93.137.4 (talk) 00:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done please format request as "please add x" or "please change x to y because ..." gwickwire | Leave a message 00:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 October 2012

jassie gift - Music director (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Jassie_Gift) john nicholson -ips Helen Davidson (Nagercoil current MP) Pastor D.Mohan - All india Assembly of God Church head, and chief for world's second biggest church in Chennai (www.nlag.org.in/) 111.93.137.4 (talk) 00:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done please format request as "please add x" or "please change x to y because ..." gwickwire | Leave a message 00:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 December 2012

Mr. S. T. Chellapandian is another Nadar who is a Minister and an MLA from Tuticorin Constituency. Mr. Ma Foi Pandiarajan is a Nadar who is MLA from Viruthunagar Constituency. Jayakumarca (talk) 17:03, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, can you provide some reliable sources that show these people self-identifying as members of the community? I keep an eye on this talk page & so will see your reply. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

As I said sitush.people rarely speak openly about their caste in tamil nadu.however if you can give me sometime(say two months) i can speak to the nadar leaders and ask them for the references you need from old newspapers.its quite time consuming and i also highly doubt if they can give me any refs of this type.or else i could meet the people on the list directly and ask them to identify their caste.But then again that's even more time consuming.you can go ahead and remove the list from wiki for the time being.i ll somehow get the refs and create this page again with the proper refs.Mayan302 (talk) 13:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Clean up

I have just been left this messageon my talk page. Please note that operating as a "team" might be constructed as meatpuppetry. As for my clean up, which I have just reinstated, please could you read User:Sitush/Common#Castelists before adding information to this article. That in turn refers to WP:V, WP:BLP and other policies, as well as to discussion concerning consensus regarding these lists. Please also note that the message on my talk page is incorrect in saying that I should do the research on the internet etc - the burden is on the person who adds the information. - Sitush (talk) 15:26, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your intention. But, I'm afraid that by looking for "reliable" sources, you may inturn cripple the article. For instance, it's a well known *fact* that Shiv Nadar, Haris Jayaraj, Vasanthkumar, etc belong to this list. --Rrjanbiah (talk) 14:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If the article ends up "crippled" then that is how it is. We are not going to overturn consensus regarding policy etc here and we should not ignore it. There are literally thousands of things that I know to be true but which I cannot include in Wikipedia. Nothing to stop me publishing them somewhere else, of course. - Sitush (talk) 16:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2014

K KAMARAJ NADAR - A well known Fredom Fighter and former Chief Minister of Tamilnadu A D JEYEVEERAPANDIA NADAR - Famous Business Man of Nagapattinam SHIV NADAR - Indian Bill Gates Rao Sahib M. Abraham Pandithar - Music Legand TAMARAI KANI NADAR - Famous Tamilnadu Politician AYYA NADAR - Famous Business Man of Sivakasi ATHIDHANAR & His Sons - Founder of the leading Tamil Daily - Dinathandi - One of India’s most successful newspaper empires P Raja Gopal Nadar - Founder of Hotel Saravana Bhavan Chain of Restrurants V G Paneer Das - Founder of V G P Grop of Companies, Madras Arasan A M S G Vijayakumar - Arasan Group of Companies, Sivakasi WPA.Soundra Pandian Nadar of Pattiveeranpatti - Famous Freedom fighter Thiru Kumari Anandan - Tamil Nadu Congress Former Chief Mr. Sundaran Nadar - Kerala Assembly Deputy Speaker Mr.Selvaraj of Saravana Stores, Madras Dr. Chandra Graham - The famous Doctor in Sivakasi Town Mr.Vasantha Kumar - M/s Vasanth & CO Shri. V.V.Dhanushkodi Nadar - Founder of V V D Group of companies, Tuticorin V K Chelliah Nadar - Famous Business Man of Burma Helen Mary, Goal-keeper, Indian Hockey Team which won the GOLD for India Manchester Common Wealth Games 2002 Mrs. Sarguna Pandian, Famous Tamil Nadu Politician from Chennai Mr. Gnana Sekaran, Chairman of Sivakasi City & Former TMC Senior Leader Mr.Nellai Kavinesan - Oreator Mr.N.Soundrapandian Ex.M.L.A (Radhapuram Constituency) Shee. Nesamani Nadar, Nagercoil Dr. A Besant C. Raj, DBA (Harvard), CEO and Managing Director, Besant Raj International Ltd Dr. M.Immanuel - Author of 'The Nadars Through the Ages' SHARATH KUMAR NADAR - Tamil Film Actor Charlie - Tamil Film Comedian Ramarajan - Tamil Film Actor Dr.Gift Siromoney Mr. R.G. Chandramogan = M/s Arun Icecreams Mr. Muthu = M/s Idhayam Gingelly Oil P. S. Ratnasamy Nadar - Former Deputy Collector of Madurai K T K Thangamani, a barrister and communist leader of standing V S Azariah, the first Indian Bishop consecrated by the Church of England Admiral O S Dawson, Former Chief of the Naval Staff. M S S Pandian, renowned social scientist Mr. David Davidar, CEO and publisher of Penguin Books and Prominent writer Manuel Aron, India’s Ist International Chess Master and the Ist chess player to be honoured with the Arjuna Award Ranjan Roy Daniel, Physicist conferred Padma Bhushan Sam Rajappa, distinguished journalist A Ganesh Nadar - www.rediff.com Special Contributing Correspondent V.P.S.Ayyemperumal Nadar - Virudhunagar Businessman Late. S Mani Nadar, MLA (TMC), representing Sathankulam constituency M.V.Shanmugavel Nadar - First Chairman of Tamilnad Merchantile Bank T.V.Balagurusamy Nadar - First President of Tamilnad Merchantile Bank Kiran Nadar, National Bridge Champion JT Nadar, Station Manager, Chembur Paul Raj, President's Best Headmaster Award Winner, Former Headmaster SHNV Hr Sec School, Sivakasi A. Pown Raja, President's Best Principal Award Winner, Former Principal, ANJA College still more to come...

Note:- I am getting information that the following people also belongs to our Nadar Community.

Mr. Vijay Amirtha Raj - Famous Tennis player Mr. Suzhil Kumar - Indian Army Chief Mr. Walter Devavram, DGP Mr. Devasahayam IPS, I.G. of Police Madras in the 50s Mr. Newton Devasahayam IPS (nadar, son of Mr. Devasahayam, I.G.) D.I.G. of Police, Madras in the 70s. Dr. Maduram: Inventor of Guruthailam, Madurai Mr. Arrivanantha Pandiyan Mr. Arul (I.G Tamilnadu Police) Mr. ALADI ARUNA, Former Law Minister Mr. P.H. Pandian M.P - Former Speaker of Tamilnadu Assembly Mr. K.P.Kandasamy - Former minsiter of Tamilnadu Mr. Pon. Radhakrishnan M.P - Minister for State(Youth Affiars) Mr. Neela Logithasan Nadar - Former Kerala Misnister Mr. Ravi Arumugam I.P.S - Former I.G of Police In 1997 - 1999 Mr. Mr.Rajarathnam - Captain of Indian Kabadi Team Which Won Asiad Gold. Dr. V.P.Rajan - Former Vice Chancellor MGR Medical University Mr. Sailendra Babu I.A.S - Collector in Tamil Nadu Ma.Po.Sivagnanm ( Ma.Po.Si) - Tamilwriter and freedom fighetr Mr. Prabanjan - Famous Tamil Novelist Mr.Sunil Kumar.,Chief of Indian Navy Rtd. Dr.R.R. Daniel World famous Scientist, Padmabhushan, Dean: Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Secretary General- COSTED Dr.Muthunayagom Chief : ISRO (Atomic Energy.Tumba Rocket Stn), now shifted. Dr.N.S.Chandrabose - Former Tamilnadu BJP Secretary(1993) If you know of someone with full details with full support information, send those data to the webmaster via 123.237.135.47 (talk) 09:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

 Not done The inclusion criteria for this list are:-

1) A Wikipedia article, so the person must be notable enough to meet our inclusion criteria, and please write the article first

and

2) A reliable, independent source that confirms that they are undeniably a Nadar

Without both of these criteria being met, no names will be added to the list. - Arjayay (talk) 09:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2018

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 Not done - As it clearly states in the instructions to submit an edit request:-
"Please don't copy the entire article into the request. Only copy the part you're changing. If you copy the entire article into the request ... another editor may remove your entire request."
This is not a "spot the difference competition" If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ" and provide a reason. - Arjayay (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2018

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 Not done - Duplicate request removed for same reason as explained above. - Arjayay (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2018 (UTC)