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Reliable sources for endorsements

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A number of the endorsements listed thus far have been sourced to mittromneycentral.com. The "about page" statement on that site, dated February 15, 2012, says: 

Mitt Romney Central is a grassroots blog/forum/community dedicated to:
1. Promoting Mitt Romney for President in 2012
2. Promoting conservative causes and conservative political candidates
3. Uniting the Republican party to fend off liberalism – in the White House, in Congress, and in the courts
4. Having good old-fashioned fun

This appears to be a self-published source, and as such is not a reliable source for wikipedia content (WP:SPS).

If there are links in self-published sources to articles published by reliable sources (for example, if there is a link on a grassroots organization's blog to an article published by a mainstream news outlet), wikipedia editors should go to the linked sites, read the original articles, and then use those original articles as the sources for any endorsements listed in the wikipedia article, with links to the original articles. The self-published sources should not be used as wikipedia sources, unless they are being used as sources of information on themselves. Dezastru (talk) 00:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

aboutmittromney.com (references 433,435, 444, 445, 451) is also self-published too. It claimed 50 Cent endorsed Mitt Romney, but 50 Cent came out for Obama on 9/12/2012, and some of the other endorsements can't be verified. Zzsignup (talk) 05:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of endorsers

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The following are listed as endorsers but do not have their own wikipedia pages. Shouldn't that be a baseline for notability to be listed on this page?

The Independence Hall Tea Party Association

Greg Maffei, CEO of Liberty Media Corporation

Mike Moniz, CEO of Circadence

Jim Possehl, Chairman of the Board of Republic Financial Corporation

Kaltenmeyer (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Celebrity Endorsements

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Noticing there are plenty of celebrities including Stephen Baldwin and Kirk Cameron who have not been listed as endorsers, though media outlets have cited that they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.235.96 (talk) 14:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Why is this page allowing so many celebrity entries without a proper citation. RustedAutoParts continues to add information without providing accurate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.204.230 (talk) 03:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Checked the Adam Sandler citation because I couldn't believe it: sure enough, the article says he supported Giuliani. This article (and the corresponding Obama article) should be locked and edited by a trusted wikipedian. It's just too easy for people to cite inaccurate sources on this stuff because nobody wants to check 400 sources. - Masterchef604 (talk) 21:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Names from a dated article

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I reverted the addition of several names with this edit here. The source given for all these names was written in 2009 - long before Romney announced this candidacy - and is an original research list of people with no evidence that they support him at all (some may do, but unless they've shown support for him they shouldn't be listed here). Finding sources for some of the existing names in the celebrities sections has been hard, but using an article from 2009 that doesn't even mention Romney won't resolve the problem. Acalamari 08:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at it, it's just a list of Republicans. Where did the editor get the idea they were voting Romney? RAP (talk) 17:09 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Doug Wilder

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This is a very simple note. Former Democratic Virginia Governor Doug Wilder has no endorsed Mitt Romney even if he has been critical of Obama. The endorsement should be removed post-haste. --Robert Waalk (talk) 01:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Party of endorser?

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The Obama list, last I checked, had the party affiliation of politicians endorsing. I know it would be a lot of work, but should we add that here?--T. Anthony (talk) 00:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is a donation an endorsement?

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Some recent edits have assumed that a quiet donation to the candidate is the same as an endorsement. I consider an endorsement to be more than that; it should be a public statement. The definition of endorsement starts with "an act of giving one's public approval or support". In this story Nick Searcy is reported as having given a donation to Romney's campaign, yet he refuses to make a public statement about it. That is not an endorsement, to my way of thinking. The donation was discovered not because Searcy announced it but because U.S. laws provide for public access to donation records. Binksternet (talk) 20:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't be fair not to consider it an endorsement. They're giving money towards the candidate to fund their campaign. I honestly don't believe someone would give money to Romney then vote for Obama. Endorsing means to support someone, and forms of support include verbal support and financial. So in my mind, to donate to a campaign is to endorse the candidate. Because, why else would they be willing to give away their own money? Though I do feel there be restrictions or something. OpenSecrets collected a list of names that we added to each list. They are a reliable source that documents donors. If a name is simply dropped into a sentence without legitimate backing, then it's not confirmed. Rusted AutoParts 21:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You said "Endorsing means to support someone". This is not true because it is not complete. Endorsing means to publicly support someone. Donating quietly, especially in the case of Searcy refusing to make a public statement, is nothing like an endorsement. Binksternet (talk) 21:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I said it's a form of support. You don't have to go public with who you are going to vote for. Eliminating several names that are confirmed donators is completely unfair as you're dismissing their input. As I said, why would someone give money to a candidate if they weren't on board with them? The articles should really be renamed from endorsers to supporters as its preventing numerous supporters from each party from being able to be listed. Rusted AutoParts 21:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Should a list of endorsements include people who quietly donated?

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The number and the arguments of the !votes are fairly ballanced, therefore there is no consensus for expanding the list with people, who quietly donated. Also because this question involves more than just this article, therefore a new RfC (if that happens) should take place at a more central discussion page (like WT:WikiProject United States presidential elections). Armbrust The Homunculus 11:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should our lists of endorsements include people who quietly donated money to a candidate? Binksternet (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to this question has ramifications at many other political articles including the following:

Discussion

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  • Firstly I'd like to see the guideline that prohibits donations. Where is this "only people who took to the streets and vocalized their support" consensus? In my mind, the people who go to the DNC, the people who endorse formally and those who contribute to the campaign in order for the candidate to keep pushing are the major supporters. Using endorsements in the title blocks out anyone who does the latter as "quietly donating" doesn't count as an endorsement. It counts as support. I understood vocalizing happiness after the election didnt count, but surely to god those who give money to the campaign and those who attend the fundraisers are regarded as supporters. It's only fair. Rusted AutoParts 15:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No If we are going to keep the opening line describing this (and other) endorsement lists ("formally endorsed or voiced support for presidential..." ), then we can't use donors. They sort of imply endorsement but they certainly aren't "formally" doing it. Clearly they are not "voicing" their support if they are quietly doing it. It doesn't fit with the description of the list. What if they bought t-shirts or jewelry off the campaign website for their grandkids? Those are counted as donations. Perhaps a new list of donorscould be created if RS news accounts would support people being listed there. Probably should not be included in these current lists. Capitalismojo (talk) 00:28, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A campaign contribution is not tantamount to an endorsement. A cursory examination of federal (i.e., at OpenSecrets.org) and state (at Followthemoney.org) contribution records will clearly show that many corporations, lobbyists and other individuals contribute to numerous opposing candidates in primary and general elections. It is generally an effort to buy patronage and to "keep the door open" no matter whom gets elected. Activist (talk) 19:34, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Open Secrets printed a list of names that contributed money, I say again MONEY, to one's campaign. This isn't a game that you can throw cash down on for both sides. One side is going to run the country for the next four years. This means every contribution is made by someone who is in support of the candidate, hence they are endorsing the person. In these days, cash isn't something that is thrown on someone you don't have confidence in to run your country. Rusted AutoParts 03:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are actually people who donate to both sides, especially corporations. A donation of money is certainly a support of the campaign but it is not an endorsement, which is a more public expression. Binksternet (talk) 04:20, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I moved the article to "supporters", so we can add donations. Are you suggesting Quentin Tarantino donated $500 to Obama to game the system? The corporations can certainly be scrutinized, but I highly doubt an actor/singer/writer is trying to make the campaign a tight race. And though they may not go to the DNC or RNC, or go city to city vocalizing their support, I find it unfair to exclude them. Rusted AutoParts 04:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Opensecrets as a source

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See WP:BLPN for discussion of opensecrets.org as a source. Binksternet (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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