Talk:List of MPs elected in the 2017 United Kingdom general election

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Section size for List of MPs elected in the 2017 United Kingdom general election (9 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	6,938	6,938
House of Commons composition	6,549	6,549
List of MPs elected in the general election	277,958	283,458
Deputy Speakers	1,484	1,484
By-elections	4,016	4,016
Defections and suspensions	37,044	37,044
Progression of government majority and party totals	8,788	8,788
See also	108	108
Notes and references	435	435
Total	343,320	343,320

Formatting the lists

Obviously a lot is going to be added to this page over the next few hours. However, before everything really kicks off, I'd just like to revisit an issue which I raised on the talk page for the last election's equivalent article. As you can see from my comments there, I think that the situation that we've had in the past with these lists has been rather barmy, so I'm basically just asking if the table that we present the results in can look slightly different this time.

I think that the crux of the problem that I have with the previous lists is that they use an entire column for the incumbent party from the preceding election, but do not do so for the party that wins the seat at the election which is the subject of the article.

This example of how I think that the table could look is a bit rudimentary, but hopefully it gives an idea of the direction that I think that we need to go in:

Constituency	Member of Parliament		Notes
Constituency	Name	Party	Notes
[Constituency]	[Name]	[Party]	[Party] hold

Redv Blue 20:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, moving to something with a sortable column for current party would be very useful (to the point where is seems ludicrous that you can for the *previous* holder of the seat but not for now. Gonzo (talk) 16:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the table for by-elections is very logical, either. At present we have this:

By-election	Date	Incumbent	Party		Winner	Party		Cause
Lewisham East	14 June 2018	Heidi Alexander		Labour	Janet Daby		Labour	Resignation on appointment as Deputy Mayor of London^[1]
West Tyrone	3 May 2018	Barry McElduff		Sinn Féin	Órfhlaith Begley		Sinn Féin	Resignation after becoming embroiled in a social media controversy regarding a perceived sectarian tweet on the 42nd anniversary of the Kingsmill massacre^[2]

I would prefer this, where the cause of the by-election is given next to the name of the incumbent:

By-election	Date	Incumbent	Party		Cause	Winner	Party
Lewisham East	14 June 2018	Heidi Alexander		Labour	Resignation on appointment as Deputy Mayor of London^[1]	Janet Daby		Labour
West Tyrone	3 May 2018	Barry McElduff		Sinn Féin	Resignation after becoming embroiled in a social media controversy regarding a perceived sectarian tweet on the 42nd anniversary of the Kingsmill massacre^[2]	Órfhlaith Begley		Sinn Féin

Headhitter (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support that change. Ralbegen (talk) 13:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ralbegen. What do others think? Headhitter (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the change. Headhitter (talk) 11:08, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "Labour MP Heidi Alexander to swap Commons for City Hall". BBC News. 8 May 2018. Retrieved 17 May 2018.
^ ^a ^b "Barry McElduff resigns as MP for West Tyrone". BBC News. 15 January 2018. Retrieved 15 January 2018.

Working majority

I am not sure we can say the government has a working majority until at least their is a tiny bit more certainty around any Con/DUP agreement, but even if that is the case I think the math may be off:

Total Seats	650
Less Speaker & Deputies	−4
Less Sinn Fein	−7
	639
Divided by 2	319.5
Con seats	317
DUP seats	10
Less Speakers Deputy	−1
	326
Threshold for Majority	319
Voting Seats	−326
Working Majority	7

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Notable newcomers

Who came up with this list? It's very random and many are IMO not very notable. In fact the most notable one would appear to be O'Marar and he's notable for the wrong reasons!

These people have only been MPs for a touch over 12 months – I think it really is too early to have such a substantial list of notable newcomers.

Paulharding150 (talk) 09:05, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. By definition, all MPs are notable – each of them has an entry on Wikipedia.

Headhitter (talk) 07:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would further note that the list appears highly unbalanced. It includes 28 Laborites, but only 4 Conservatives. Perhaps there were more new Laborites, but seven times as many? And 3 LDP and 1 PC; these parties between them have only 16 members. It's hard to believe there are as many "Notable newcomers" in this small group as among the 316 Conservatives.

--Rich Rostrom (Talk) 05:39, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should we delete the section and revisit it say after the next election when some of these individuals might be more notable?

Paulharding150 (talk) 08:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Headhitter (talk) 06:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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2019 Peterborough by-election

2019 Peterborough by-election tells us it is a Labour hold, but from this page one gets the impression it is a Labour gain from Independent. Shouldn't the two pages tell the same story? - Skuipers (talk) 17:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree: I think the 2019 Peterborough by-election page should be corrected to comply with this one. Headhitter (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I found a solution in the by-election table in order to reflect the incumbent's change of party. Not trivial, because the template Party name with colour has been set up to start with a | character - in my view this is a design error - Skuipers (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A good solution, Skuipers (talk): well done! Headhitter (talk) 20:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To [Group] Lee or not to [Group] Lee?

Assuming a number of MPs are deselected tonight, and with respect to the 'Progression of government majority and party totals' table, should we group Philip Lee's defection with the deselections as part of a single-day event, or have two entries in the table for Sep. 3?

PutItOnAMap (PutItOnAMap) 21:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should have two separate entries : it adds yet another line to the table, but it adds clarity when trying to follow the party totals.

Gayschwa (talk) 15:13, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

John Bercow's resignation

Given that John Bercow has announced he will resign on 4 November, I think a by-election row for the currently pending Buckingham by-election should be added, or at least a note underneath. I've put a row in, and want to know what you think. Oh yeah, and the "2019 Sheffield Hallam by-election" had a row and a page so I think this should have a row. YttriumShrew 07:41 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Two other MPs (John Mann and Jared O'Mara) have announced that they intend to step down but, in all three cases, their resignations haven't happened yet. Headhitter (talk) 20:14, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a general election has now been called there will be no further by-elections in this Parliament. Headhitter (talk) 21:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Louise Ellman's label

The page for Labour and Co-operative lists the group's MP count as 32 since Louise Ellman left Labour, but that of the Co-operative Party lists its as 33. Liverpool Riverside's shows her as belonging solely to the Co-operative Party, while this one lists her as an independent. This seems a bit inconsistent. Help? YttriumShrew 22:50 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Summary editing

We seem to have an edit war in the summary section over the "Correctly branded as a "Dead Parliament"..." passage. If you want, you can discuss your reasons in this section. I personally feel that passage is biased and have replaced it. YttriumShrew 00:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Lloyd

Stephen Lloyd has re-joined the LDs. Why isn't he counted among LDs? Maybe because his comeback is not official yet. If we are to follow Parliament.uk, LDs are not even 20, but 19. One way or the other. I opt for counting Lloyd as a Liberal Democrat. --Checco (talk) 14:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Latest I've seen, he hasn't been given the whip back, though he has rejoined the party. Ralbegen (talk) 14:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Substance should prevail in cases like this: Lloyd is a LD member and will run as a LD in the upcoming general election. And what about Antoniette Sandbach? We should be consistent either with Parliament.uk (19, not including Sandbach) or reality (21, including Lloyd). --Checco (talk) 14:55, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And we should certainly be consistent with other Wikipedia articles like List of United Kingdom Liberal Democrat MPs (2017–present) (Lloyd and Sandbach added) and Stephen Lloyd (whip restored) - Skuipers (talk) 10:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not understand why this article should be so inconsistent with itself. Anyone cares? --Checco (talk) 15:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Having the parliamentary party whip is not the same as holding party membership. Headhitter (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained, the article is not consistent with the House of Commons' website, thus what about Sandbach? However, according to sources and other articles, Lloyd was given back the whip too. --Checco (talk) 17:16, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bercow Speakership end date

Which date is correct? Carcharoth (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Comrade TruthTeller: Carcharoth (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

John Bercow's article stated that he technically stayed on until the 4th, so that there was a vacancy for the shortest time. The BBC is giving mixed signals. Comrade TruthTeller (talk) 18:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Layla Moran is listed as Conservative. She was definitely a Lib Dem at the time the vote took place. 87.114.11.39 (talk) 20:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Alexander-1] "Labour MP Heidi Alexander to swap Commons for City Hall". BBC News. 8 May 2018. Retrieved 17 May 2018.

[McElduff-2] "Barry McElduff resigns as MP for West Tyrone". BBC News. 15 January 2018. Retrieved 15 January 2018.

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