Talk:List of LGBTI holders of political offices in Australia

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Can we change the article from "firsts" to a "list of LGBTI pollies"?

Can we change List of the first LGBTI holders of political offices in Australia to "List of LGBTI holders of political offices in Australia"? That way this article can be more than a collection of firsts, it can include a fuller list of LGBTI politicians as well as those with firsts. Seems logical. Timeshift (talk) 13:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's a bad idea, although it would be good if it kept the state/federal split and had a notes column in which firsts could be explained. The Drover's Wife (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not fussed with how it's designed, so long as it's all there. Timeshift (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Greig

I was just reading Brian Greig's article. It says that he was first federal parliamentarian to declare in his maiden speech. Is that notable for this list? Or first Democrat? JennyOz (talk) 07:58, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think either of those are significant enough firsts to warrant mentioning - they're both pretty trivial. It's not like he was the first out at election federal politician - Brown had him beat on that. That said, I note that no one followed through on the above discussion from ages ago - reorganising this page along those lines would allow Greig to be slotted in. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TDW. I agree and also with what Timeshift was proposing. JennyOz (talk) 06:46, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Janet Rice

Does she count? She remained married to her spouse after that spouse transitioned from male to female. I don't think she identifies as LGBT herself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.52.60.17 (talk) 03:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

She now identifies as bisexual. Constant Pedant (talk) 22:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Don Dunstan

Don Dunstan never came out as gay or bisexual, and since this is necessarily a list of openly LGBTI members, he should not be included. Constant Pedant (talk) 22:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this "necessarily a list of openly LGBTI members"? As long as there is a reliable source saying they are definitely LGBTI, then they can be included. That is the case with Don Dunstan. Maybe there could be a footnote saying he was not openly gay at the time he was in office. Steelkamp (talk) 02:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I said "necessarily" because we are not including closeted MPs who are still alive. I agree that people who have died are a different category. But if we include Dunstan, we should include Bert Edwards, Alan Jarman, Bill Arthur and other deceased, closeted MPs. Then there are difficult cases like Milton Orkopoulos and Bob Collins. On Dunstan, he never came out as anything, so calling him gay (as opposed to bisexual) is speculation. He was married twice and they were not fake marriages. Constant Pedant (talk) 21:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]