Talk:List of Irish state funerals

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Protocol

"Lying-in-state is only organised for a sitting taoiseach or president."

What exactly does "lying-in-state" mean? I thought deV lay in state, and he wasn't a sitting taoiseach or president. Ian Cheese 21:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing funerals

These people may have been given state funerals:

But a handful of Google hits isn't good enough, so I don't think they should be added to the article yet. Anybody have better sources? Anybody know of any other state funerals? Ian Cheese 21:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Above Pearse Street library in Dublin, is the Gilbert research library. If you go down to it, (you can see Nelson's head) it contains archive records. Make sure you have photograpic I.D. though.--Domer48 19:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly review the Irish Times archive editions from the dates of death in question at the National Library, Kildare St--Rye1967 11:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've been filling in the blanks in the table. Of the people listed above, only Domhnall Ua Buachalla got a state funeral. The others did not [5][6][7] (uber-subscription required). By the way, the new Irish Times online archive is fantastic – you can see any edition back to 1859. It costs a lot, but see if your library has a subscription. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Cheese (talk • contribs) 19:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redking7 (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)== Opening paragraph re independence ==[reply]

The article currently opens as follows:

"State funerals in the Republic of Ireland and predecessor states since independence in 1921 have taken place on the following occasions (This list is incomplete):"

This is inaccurate. Independence only came on 6 December 1922. Strictly the funerals of Michael Collins and Arthur Collins took place in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. On the basis that we still wish to list them, I will change the text to read:

"State funerals in the Republic of Ireland have taken place on the following occasions since 1921 (This list is incomplete):"

Strictly, the early funderals were not in the RoI but in Southern Ireland (a part of the UK) and later funerals in the Irish Free State and since 1937 in Ireland (still today the name of the state) - but I think the above text is sufficient. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 19:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dislike the use of Republic of Ireland, since that didn't exist until approx 1948, therefore incorrect. I am changing it to the more generic/vague term Ireland which is less incorrect, I feel. The funerals did take place in Ireland, no matter what state was facilitating them.

User: Rye1967 - Unfortunately the list does not include state funerals in Northern Ireland so your edit to Ireland (i.e. the island) doesn't really work very well. All the funerals took place in what can now be described as the Republic of Ireland so it seems most appropriate. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fame?

Do they have to be well-known before their death to be included on this list? Garda Robert McCallion --can dle •wicke 04:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is more a question of what formally constitutes a State funeral in Ireland. The funeral of soldiers who die while on service are attended by formal ceremonies. The same applies for members of the Garda Siochána. Former Old IRA veterans were entitled to an Defence Force guard of honour and firing party salute, but these were never considered State funerals, as I understand it. I had a quick look at the Dept. of the Taoiseach to find a 'definition' of what constitutes a State funeral, but without success. Maybe others will have more luck. RashersTierney (talk) 12:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Cosgrave

This article says:

"Following tributes from across the political spectrum, the Cosgrave family, his three children, Mary, Liam and Ciaran, were offered a State funeral.

"At their request the funeral Mass and burial will have some elements of State but it is a private service."

I don't think he should be included in the list. Maybe just a comment like the one about John A. Costello. Ian Cheese (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the table entry now. Ian Cheese (talk) 20:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Military honours

The cited source only says James Fitzmaurice got military honours, not a state funeral, so I've removed him. jnestorius^(talk) 18:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise Ernie O'Malley
I am unsure of John Moore; the President and Taoiseach attended, but was it a "state funeral"?

jnestorius^(talk) 19:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Readded with better sources. jnestorius^(talk) 17:17, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]