Talk:List of India national football team hat-tricks

International Official Hatrick scorer

Indian football existed before Indian Independence. This article is a Indian football article, not a Indian Independence article or freedom sruggle article. Does not matter when, where, when scored, Lumsden was India's one of the best striker in the 30s and is India's first official international hatrick scorer and its the history, this article cant be completed without his name. Don't mix independence with Indian football. Dey subrata (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2018 (UTC)Dey subrata (talk)

Archiving references

@Gog the Mild: Need few archiving here.Dey subrata (talk) 21:04, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Need few more archiving, recently i added few citation. Dey subrata (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Going for nomination

@ChrisTheDude: and @Kosack: Have a look in the article, if you find any mistake or feel that need correction please let me know. It was really nice working with you in the Chhetri article. I think your valuable suggestions and corrections before nomination will be helpful. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 21:15, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll try and give this a look through over the next day or so. Kosack (talk) 06:09, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: I want to add that, there at the Chhetri's goal list nomination can you please add your final note of support or similar, so that directors at the FL, might not think that changes are going on still, and may not determine and promote it to the FL. Thank you Dey subrata (talk) 07:15, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah I'm still active at the review for now until I can give it another once over. I'll probably get that one out the way first. Kosack (talk) 07:27, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: If you have little time now, will you have a look here, though we almost refined it, but if still anything if you find please let me know. With that I want to add here is another of my FLC nomination, if you like to comment there too. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 19:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look later today. At a quick glance, the lead definitely needs a copy edit by a native English speaker. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Review

Here's some comments......

• I would start the lead with the "Since independence...." sentence, but of course adjust it to take the 1938 match into account. It would also be worth clarifying how India played a match/matches before becoming independent. Is it actually a FIFA-recognised match (as the bit above the table claims)?
• "India lost the match by 4−5" => "India lost the match 5-4"
• "There is no Indian player who has ever scored" => "No Indian player has ever scored"
• "The first player, after independence, to score" - don't need those commas
• "he has achieved this feat as many as three times" => "he has achieved this feat three times"
• "This is also the most recent instance of an Indian player, scoring" - don't need that comma
• "Arguably, the most famous hat-trick" - this is a personal opinion which cannot be backed up with sources, so it isn't appropriate
• "the history of Olympics football" => "the history of Olympic football"
• "With 4 goals in 3 matches" => "With four goals in three matches"
• "semi-finals of the tournament in the Olympics history" => "semi-finals of the tournament in Olympic history"
• "while securing the fourth place in the tournament" - I wouldn't bother mentioning this
• "India have conceded thirteen hat-tricks till date" => "India have conceded thirteen hat-tricks to date"
• "Result in the table, lists India's goal tally first." - don't need the comma, and as it isn't a complete sentence it shouldn't have a full stop either (above both tables). Also no reason for the word "result" to be in bold.
• Some of the grouped refs in the table are not in numerical order
• "International Friendly" - you don't need the word International, that's obvious
• Waskito's name doesn't sort in the right place.
• Why does Lee-Ki Bun link to an article on the Italian Wikipedia?
• You don't need a link to India national football team in the see also section, as it's already linked in the article. I also don't think the link to India women's national football team is relevant.
• Hope this helps! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: Done, can you please check, Waskito, is it ok now.. Dey subrata (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: If you have time, is this one ok too, or need any correction. Dey subrata (talk) 19:32, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

A few comments I have:

• Add WP:ALTTEXT for images.
• The image captions are a little clunky.

What else can we write, are you pointing out line starting with name than comma, instead of name and a verb, like "Sheoo Mewalal was...". Let me know

Yeah I think they just need tightening. I would put "the" after the commas on each. Probably should be "at the Olympics". Kosack (talk) 07:02, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• Link football to Association football.
• The opening sentence is a little long, could do with splitting after Lumsden then following on with "He achieved the feat..." or something similar.
• "nine Indian male footballers", do we need the male distinction?

Ok I am changed it. Actually I don't want to give a chance from any editor to point out that..when you wrote India, why only males are included where are the female players, so for specifying its of male footballers, (though I have plan to include in future the women scorer too, working on it at RSSSF but few datas are still to arrange, may need months or a year). In general you are correct that its perceived that it must be of males so no need to mention, but in future there is a scope of adding females record too, as its about just hatricks and stats are not much to make a seperate page for females in future.

• "The most significant", I can see why it would be but that seems a little POV. Simply state what he did and let the reader decide.
• The second paragraph is one sentence, it could definitely do with a break. Plus it would give you a chance to avoid leaving refs mid sentence.

For above two point- I can understand you point but I will not consider it as POV, though already the point are mentioned in the para already, still clearing some point. No.1 Significant not only for India actually but for Asia too, as he is the first Asian to so at the Olympics, which helped India to be first Asian nation to reach Semis. Second point (not suitable to be added in the lead) is, this is only FIFA event(1956 was organsied by FIFA, actually upto 1960s) where a hat-trick been scored. So, I think these point are enough to say it was a significant. And I think by dividing the sentence the "significant"'s significance will go.. As it stated as- "...significant hat trick.....as fist Asian....and with 4 goal.....first Asian team....". Thats why I think its necessary to keep one line with clauses. Let me know if we can make any changes in the clauses without breaking the sentence.

The problem is that you're deciding for the reader what the most significant is by stating that. For example, Chhetri's hat-trick against Tajikistan was scored in the final of the AFC Challenge Cup, ultimately winning the competition for India (might actually be worth mentioning this fact in the prose). Kosack (talk) 07:02, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: Correct, that need to be included, actually AFC Challenge cup win give India the 2011 AFC cup berth, so ya important, totally missed the point. Will add, will let you know once theinfo added. Dey subrata (talk) 07:53, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: Added the info, and also removed the most significant part. I hope its look ok now.Dey subrata (talk) 18:58, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

• "defeat by Palestine in an international friendly match", I think we can drop international by this point.

I think you're roughly there in terms of content. See what Chris thinks as well, but I would say take a look at the points I mentioned above (and any further comments Chris may have), take onboard everything from the Chhetri FLC and this is probably worth a nomination then. Anything else can be ironed out in the review. Kosack (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kosack: Fixed all points. The two points above seperately addressed. Dey subrata (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I give a thought, I think its still making sense breaking the sentence. Done. But please address the first point of image. Dey subrata (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kosack, I have nominated the list, will you please put you comment there. I had an older nomination also which is not getting much comments, it will be helpful for the promotion if you put your comments there also. Here, (List of highest individual scores in ODIs) Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I'll try and take a look at both as soon as I can. Kosack (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

update

Kosack, hi, can you please check the recent lines that I've added in the second para to update? And the existing citation have its updated version. Since, the article is a FL, please edit if anything remains incorrect in the line. Will be thankful to you. Drat8sub (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)