Talk:List of Heroes characters/Archive 1

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Addition to Claire's Powers

I added "Altered perception of pain" to Claire's powers. The source for this is an interview with two of the show's writers: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8817 (third question down). Unfortunately I am not very familiar with editing Wikipedia and cannot for the life of me figure out how to add a citation. I would appreciate it very much if someone would add that for me. Thank you. 71.193.152.63 05:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. I was worried this was just speculation. This does help, though not in very clear way. I think it'd be better not to add overly long or confusing data to what's really supposed to be a simple summary. I'll make note at the Claire Bennet article. Thanks, and you're welcome. Check out [Wikipedia:citation]] and Wikipedia:citation templates for information about how to cite sources. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't wish to start an argument, as obviously you're much more familiar with Wikipedia's protocol than I am, but this does seem to be an important power of hers. It has been clearly portrayed onscreen, and is essential to making her primary power meaningful (i.e. it lends her a sort of invulnerability in that she truly need not fear harm). I certainly feel that it is much more a superpower than Niki's split personality, which may not even be directly related to her powers. 71.193.152.63 13:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

A different perception of pain might be unusual, but not necessarily superhuman. And Claire doesn't seem to enjoy getting hurt or lack fear, she just knows she'll be okay in the end. Also, while you might take the comment to mean something like "she feels less pain overall", Wikipedia must maintain a NPOV. The statement was ambiguous and could have different meaning than was assumed or implied. All we know is that her peception is "different". Also, while certain factors might seem vital, we try to keep this to the bear minimum. We could mention Peter's apparent need to be right next to the "source" character whose powers he mimicks or DL's possible need to touch an object before phasing, but that's stuff for their articles and way too detailed. Stuff like the Nik's split personality or Isaac's drug problem may have been pre-existing factors, and are still vital elements. "Jessica" does seem directly connected to Niki's superstrength, as Niki has never shown any when she's acting like herself. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we change Claire's power to Spontaneous Regeneration, since that is what it is called in the show? Briham 13:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's confine this discussion to Talk:Claire Bennet#Spontaneous Regeneration. Primogen 20:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Mohinder's Power

Changed Mohinder's power to "clairvoyance" from "psychometry." Psychometry is the very specific power to ascertain details from objects. There is no proof that Mohinder's visions came from any objects in his vicinity. Until more details emerge, it would be safer to assume that his ability to see the past events he couldn't possibly know of comes purely from himself. 66.82.9.42 06:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Can it actually be assumed Mohinder has Clairvoyange or Psychometry? There was a file for the boy, so it is possible that the boy caused Mohinder to have the dreams. I think it's speculation to assume without further proof that Mohinder has this ability on his own. PureSoldier 12:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

At this point I don't think we can assume Mohinder has any power. In the instances we have seen this post-cognitive power, the young boy has always appeared. Seems to me it is more of the boy projecting a power at Mohinder, than Mohinder using a power. Creektoad 19:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that in fact a boy....or Mohinder's younger (presumed dead) sister??

(I don't know how sharply defined gender differences are in Indian children.) Thanos777 21:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how much it matters, but the character is played by a boy. PureSoldier 21:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

"Homecoming" confirmed it, the dreams came from the boy. Still don't know if Mohinder really has a power, but there is no longer any evidence he does. Bio 20:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Claire's Implied Biological Parents

Why was Claire's Biological Parents Removed from the list of Characters. They spoke more than a few lines and contributed to the storyline of the Show. Dan Bricker 16:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Good question! I put them back in, but as a single "Hank and Lisa" entry. BTW, please add new topics at the end of the discussion article. :) Primogen 16:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sylar

Shouldn't Sylar be here, on the main characters page? Even though he hasn't had much presence, he's clearly the primary antagonist at this point. Anonymous 3:22 PST 15 November 2006

Micah Sander's powers

Changed Micah's power to "telemechanics", I just made the word up. I am awesome. That is my power. lol.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.85.105 (talk • contribs) 03:56, November 10, 2006

There has been some lively discussion on the Micah Sanders page. It appears the general agreement is that Micah's power is Unspecified, but possibly Technopathy. That should be reflected on this page. Reg619 01:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That's just weaselly spec and definitely not the consensus at Talk:Micah Sanders. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Table of Actual 'Heroes'

As someone visiting this page for the first time to glean a little bit more technical information on various characters, I'd like to point out that it would make more sense in many ways to have all characters with actual superpowers in the main table (currently for "major characters") than how it is now. This would involve adding Sylar, the Haitian, Ted (who I felt I really had to 'dig' to find out about), and IMO Eden, Charlie and Sanjog to the table. As it is, there is inconsistency, specifically that Zach and Eden have been just as important in events as Simone. These characters along with Mohinder, Ando and Mr Bennet should probably go immediately under the table due to their importance, but don't need their bios tabulated since there's no need to keep track of the same sort of information for them as for the heroes. I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on this.

Also, the table of contents right at the top all by itself looks pretty bad.

Currently the table lists all the characters that are singled out as main characters on the official NBC Heroes site, which I think is a NPOV way for us to separate major from minor characters. The problem with what you suggest is that we don't know how prominent each character will become to the overall storyline in upcoming episodes, but the NBC designation might take that into account. That being said, I'd actually prefer the table being dropped completely in favor of single-paragraph descriptions, and I wouldn't object if we dropped the major/minor separation completely given how that some of the minor characters currently have more screentime (and are more popular) than some of the majors. Primogen 17:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, that makes sense - I agree that the table layout should probably go, then. It just breaks up the article too much. K O Archer 00:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps a section on the main page with a list of powers (flight, precognition, mimicry, etc.)and those characthers who have them is more appropriate? ShigityShank 03:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sanjog Iyer

This character's name is Sanjog Iyer, not Iyer Sanjog. I know this because I play him on the show, but anyone who researches the history of these names in India (google, etc) will see that Sanjog is a first name, and Iyer is a last name. Upal12 14:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. So then why is the file on him titled "SANJOG, Iyer", shouldn't it be "IYER, Sanjog"? Or did the filmakers just make a mistake? --M m hawk 21:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Just confirmed for myself that Sanjog is a first name (it means "coincidence."). I also did a Google search and came up with 181 hits for "Sanjog Iyer" and only 30 hits for "Iyer Sanjog". Primogen 19:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, IMDb's cast list also gives the character name as Sanjog Iyer. Even though IMDb isn't the most reliable source, it is odd that, given the way the file folder showed his name, that someone would put in that the name was actually Sanjog Iyer if it wasn't true. Primogen 19:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't discuss anything beyond character's name, which is a known fact. Anything else would be plot.Upal12 06:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't say for fact, as I've never been there, but could India possibly have a different style of writing names? Bio 20:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that really you? --Addict 2006 06:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden's Powers

I edited it to note that she has a possibly telepathic superhuman suggestion/persuasion ability; I think it should be kept that way until we find out more. CTVampSlayer 10:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Instead, how about being nonspecific until we found out more? Putting forth possibilities is more appropriate for a fansite than an encyclopedia. Primogen 06:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Mr. Bennett hinted that Eden can be more persuasive, when she reports to him that Mohinder has gone back to India. So saying "Possible Ability of Persuasion" is a sound theory. --ParalysedBeaver 19:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors don't put their theories and "possible" explanations into articles. Primogen 20:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a theory any longer, she pretty obviously used the power on Sylar in the latest ep. She's got persuasion abilities. CTVampSlayer 03:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to add more sources to it, the latest online comic is a background story on Eden, which you can read here. At the end, it shows her persuasion powers at work. --WarriorofZarona 17:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

When does Eden become a major character, instead of merely minor? She's seen a lot, especially in "Six Months Ago." Not to mention the building love interest between her and Mohinder. Cymbalta 02:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Minor and Major Characters merge?

I think minor and major characters should be merged as there really seems to be no major cast. And those that might of been minor are major now and vice versa.

Wikvin 06:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Zach

Should this article also mention that Zach's Myspace says he is 18 years old and also claims he is a sophmore? This also implies that Claire might also be a Sophmore though it is unusual to ahve 18 year old Sophomores, or sophmore cheerleader captains and homecoming queens. And if Zach is in fact a senior or was held back 2 year than that might cause some conflict with some things in the show. Owenlars2 15:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I added the additional MySpace info to Zach's description. However, the speculations do not belong here. Primogen 15:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe Zack's Myspace page says he is 18 because of rules regarding "minors on myspace". --Mjrmtg 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks...that makes a lot of sense. Though I think in the show they are Sophomores since neither of them seem to have cars and this may suggest they are under 16 in the show which is a more reasonable age for a sophomore.63.165.176.75 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Why was Claire grounded anyway? --Mjrmtg 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

For punching Jackie at school.63.165.176.75 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Clean Up

I put a clean up tag on here. I don't know why the two articles were merged, because it looks terrible and very long now. The TOC and the table don't work together very well and overall it is just messy. --Pinkkeith 22:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...please don't do that. If you'll look above, the merger was agreed upon. Now, fo the move part, content and TOC issue lay with the "minor characters" section. Perhaps we could remove that title and just list everyone as separate from the main characters by not neccessarily "minor". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden an official character?

• I see that Eden now has her own article. Is she now a main character?4.167.224.53 18:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Currently, only characters that the show's producers have designated as main characters (i.e., the characters singled out on NBC's official Heroes site, plus the announcement of Mr. Bennet becoming a main character as of the 11th episode) are considered "main characters" in this article. However, ANY character (or any sub-topic about Heroes, for that matter), can have its own article if someone takes the initiative to make one and there is enough notable information to justify a separate article. For example, Sylar has his own article even though he is not a main character. Primogen 18:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sylar's an exception. Eden getting an article surprises me, though. I'll have to keep an eye on this. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Eden's certainly becoming a main character in practice, if not in name. I think that having a separate article for her is just fine, as there's quite a bit of information about her available now. --dws90 06:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ando Masahashi -> Masahashi Ando

I believe that he is called by his last name, and his name is said in the Japanese order. Ando is a Japanese surname. --TcDohl 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's get verification on what the show says his name is before changing his name in the article. Primogen 18:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

After Hiro goes to the past and calls his own office, he actually said "Ando Masahashi" in Japanese. One wouldn't speak in Japanese and say a Japanese name in Western order. Therefore, my assertion is correct and please re-revert. Thanks. --TcDohl 19:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Japanese, but according to the actor's official website, the character's name is "Ando Masahashi". Is there any legitimate source that says the character name is "Masahashi Ando"? Primogen 19:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Please read the Wikipedia article on the Japanese name. As I've said, if you've TiVoed the show, go back to the part where Hiro calls himself in the past. There he says "Ando Mashahashi", which is in Japanese order, since as I've said, when speaking in Japanese and referring to a non-Westernized Japanese name, it always comes in Japanese order, not in Western order.--TcDohl 20:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what your research and analysis says his character ought to be named. What matters is what reliable published sources say his character is named. Tvguide.com, James Kyson Lee's official website, IMDb (for what little it's worth), and 9000 other websites I googled, say his name is "Ando Mashahashi." I googled only 9 sites with "Mashahashi Ando". Again, if you can find reliable published sources that say the character's name is "Mashahashi Ando", then we can change it in Wikipedia. Primogen

Charlie

Was she still murdered, or did she die from the clot? Hiro was unable to save her, but that doesn't mean she was still murdered. But I might have missed something. Prometheus^-X303- 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

After Hiro went back in time, Mr. Bennet had a photograph of Charlie with her head cut open, so it seems that she was still murdered by Sylar. Stabbey 17:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

According to Hiro's Blog, Charlie's last name is Andrews. --Stabbey 20:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I've corrected her section. Thankfully, this puts her very close to the top.

Formely in Archive 2

People with powers - from Mohinder's father's computer

During the "Homecoming" episode, Mohinder correctly guesses his father's password to his computer and up pops a partial list of people believed to have super powers. I paused this part on my DVR and below is the list. Many names are missing characters as the screenshot on the TV episode was 100% fitted to the computer. Of course, this information is too undeveloped/undefined to include in the article, but I thought it could be helpful as the series progresses and more of these people are introduced (if they ever are introduced).

Name Location Felipe Acerra Deceased D.L. Hawkins Las Vegas, NV Byron Bevington Marshfield, VT Niki Sander Las Vegas, NV Daniel Bizzetti Greely, CO Isaac Mendez New York, NY Tracy Chobham Frostburg, MD Nicholas Datre Deceased Paul Gramble Monteith, IA Curtis Hovsepian Grant Pass, OR Nathan Petrelli New York, NY Noel Menzies Deceased Penkala Burton Albert Lea, MN Teresa Hue Pham Shreveport, LA Matthew Parkman Los Angeles, CA Hiro Nakamura Tokyo, Japan Midland, TX

Name Location David Berman New York, NY Leonie Pinkham Deceased Adam Soo Hoo Kailua, HI Linda Tavara Deceased Norman Ventria Deceased Sparrow Redhouse New Mexico Amid Halebi Los Angeles, CA Michelle *~ Candace Wi*~ Harry Flet*~ Ethan Kimb*~ Deceased Abu Aswaan Frank Cava*~ Deceased Diego Vela*~ Deceased Jess Murph*~ Deceased Sue Lande*~ Pam Green * - one missing letter *~ - a string of missing letters

--NMajdan•talk 17:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Nameslocationsstatusru5.jpg - Screen shot of names. --ParalysedBeaver 19:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, didn't even see that. Thank you for providing that. My list above is a bit more complete than the one on the 'Homecoming' article. I've updated my page to reflect the better image provided by the HD broadcast of the show.--NMajdan•talk 21:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

My guess is that the Midland, TX one is either Claire or Charlie, seeing as how Odessa is quite near Midland. --ParalysedBeaver 01:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Ted Sprague's powers

I'm not so sure that Radiokinesis is the best way to describe his powers. Radiokinesis implies that he can manipulate radiation, but nothing indicates that he can do that. He generates ionizing radiation, certainly, but he also can generate heat. While ionizing radiation is damaging, I'm not sure if ionizing radiation by itself can create heat. However there is another possibility: Nuclear Energy Manipulation - Ted can generate nuclear energy, which produces heat with a side effect of radiation. I think that's more accurate. Stabbey 17:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Currently the article says that he has the power to emit radiation, which his character had done in the series. I don't think we've seen evidence of him manipulating anything -- radiation, nuclear energy, etc. Primogen 17:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He clearly demonstrates the ability to create heat, which is pyrokinesis. Whether the radiation is the cause of the heat, or a side effect of the heat remains unclear. I think that "Pyrokinesis, with the side effect of emitting harmful radiation" is a more accurate then the current radiokinesis. Stabbey 18:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

We know for a fact that Ted can emit radiation, but we don't know that he has pyrokinesis, which actually is "the ability to manipulate and control flame". We don't even know that he can emit heat without emitting radiation, but we do know that many forms of radiation can cause certain molecules to generate heat. Since boiling water can be accomplished through radiation emission, I don't think we need to search for other explanations or use that as evidence of other powers. Primogen 19:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He does not appear to be able to emit heat without radiation. I should note that he hasn't just boiled water, many things in his house have been damaged by what appears to be fire - photographs, a keyboard, a door. Fire manipulation is described in the list of comic book superpowers as "Ability to control the kinetic energy of atoms to generate, control or absorb fire." That's an 'or' not an 'and'. By that definition Ted does have the Fire Manipulation ability, even if he can't control the fire. Side Note: If the current powers as shown on the Heroes don't fall into any of the existing categories, what should be done about that? Stabbey 21:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The producers of the show coined a term for his power: Induced Radioactivity, which they describe as being " the ability to give radioactive properties to objects". Maniac 03:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

What's the source for the "Induced radioactivity" claim? I'd like to see that, if only for verification. And I did look up ionizing radiation a while ago because of questions on this topic, and the Wikipedia page didn't say heat was a side effect, just that hot objects can emit ionizing radiation. --Stabbey 04:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, radiation causes atoms to vibrate more rapidly, causing them to heat up. So, we don't need to specify heat separately from radiation. These instances have been corrected. PureSoldier 03:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Radiation most definately has heat as a side effect. Wikipedia's entry may not be complete, but I work with radiation, and it certainly heats things up. PureSoldier 09:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I bow to the experts. "Radiokinesis" it is, I don't think there's more the n a semantic difference between that and "Induced Radioactivity". I would add that Ted can produce heat through use of his power, I think that's a clarifying statement, not a redundant one. --Stabbey 14:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Microwave Oven. falsedef 03:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hal

I've said this in the Niki Sanders discussion, but I really think there is some confusion as to when exactly Jessica "protected" Niki from Hal. It seemed to me that she was CLEARLY referring to taking over Niki's body while Hal was beating her--i.e., after her own death. That is why Niki can't remember the abuse. The whole thing doesn't make sense if Jessica was "protecting" Niki before her own death. Seems to me she was just Hal's preferred target. Jessica even said that Niki became his punching bag after her own death. This point is confused in other articles as well. I'm not sure how to edit the Hal section, but I'm quite convinced that when Jessica said she "protected" Niki, she meant after her own death. Watch the episode again, but this seems quite clear to me. MahlerFan 23:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It was clear to me that Jessica was protecting Niki before her death by being the target of Hal's abuse. I don't see how she protected Niki after her death, since the appearance of the Jessica alter-ego appears to be a recent thing, and Hal seemed surprised to meet the Jessica alter-ego during the episode. Certainly Jessica's super strength is recent thing, or Jessica would have taken out Hal years ago. Do you mean that Jessica was protecting Niki by not having her remember the abuse? Possible, although given that Jessica was killed by Hal, Niki most needed protection for her body. Hmm, what happened to Hal after he killed Jessica? I forgot. I'll have to review the episode, but he didn't stay with the family after killing Jessica, did he? Primogen 00:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Jessica/Niki told Hal that after Jessica died, "they" (likely meaning Child Services) left Niki with Hal. think that Niki saw Hal choke Jessica to death, and that traumatized her so much that her mind split and created the "Jessica" persona. But we'll probably find that out later. If Niki really is 33, it does not make sense for her real sister Jessica to have been the one protecting her from Hal, because Niki would have been older then Jessica when she died. Stabbey 14:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I also got the impression that, though the superstrength is a recent development, the Jessica alter-ego was created when Niki was a child and Hal started to beat her, so she adopted a personality patterned on her dead sister to suffer the abuse in her place, probably like the real Jessica had done before dying. And I'm not sure Niki's listed age is correct either, I've read somewhere that Jessica is supposed to have been Niki's twin sister, but I don't remember any mention of that in the episode itself. Renenarciso 16:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

When Jessica visits Hal in the hotel he is reading The_Sirens_of_Titan. I'm not sure if it's significant, but thought I'd mention it here so if someone sees a connection they can add it. Hobophobe 06:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The connection is probably symbolic - I think a theme in the book is about how people are unable to change the future. --Stabbey 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

New character

The latest issue of TV Guide indicates that Christopher Eccleston (from Doctor Who) will be joining the cast when Heroes returns in January. What would be the protocol for discussing this? Samer 02:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is customarily left off until the actor appears in an episode. Anything else would be speculation. Especially since we know nothing about what character he's playing, adding a new character that we know nothing about won't be helpful anyway. --Stabbey 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Mohinder's friend

• What is the name of Mohinders friend in India who first informed him of his father's death? He's been in a number of episodes so he should be featured in the article. --4.172.117.146 19:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

His name is Nirand, he is played by Shishir Kurup --Stabbey 02:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Molly Walker?

There are several links that point(ed) to this supposed section in this article. Only, the section was removed. What now? --Addict 2006 23:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Eden Killed Herself

I think this is pretty obvious for two reasons:

1. When they cut to Sylar is has a look on his face of shock and maybe anger 2. Sylar needed and longed for her power, it was pretty much 1 of 2 powers he needed to become virtually invincible. The other being Claires.

I probably wouldn't of brought this up since it will more then likely be revealed 100% in the next episode what happens, but it doesn't air till January 22nd. Anyone else agree on this? 68.226.119.201 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I do agree, as the comic confirms it. And if she has her brains blown out, it'll be hard for Sylar to take her obliterated brain, as it's now all over the wall, instead of in a nice little bundle for him to do whatever he does with it. PureSoldier 11:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter the Empath

Empath is currently listed as one of Peter's powers. Before this episode I would have been willing to list "Unspecified Empathic Power" as one of his abilities, but the strange possibly future-predicting dream has thrown me for a loop and I'm not sure what to call it now. "Unspecified dream-related power" is the closest I have. It seems to be more then just an empathic bond-related dream, since Niki, D.L. and Micah were in the dream and as far as we know he's never met them. --Stabbey 14:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen the episode yet, not living in America, but from what I've read of comments form people, it seems he has a form of hypersensitivity, in order to "Dream" events concerning other characters. It would also feed into his ability to aquire others powers. (At least one comic book character I recall could borrow powers by synching mentally with the target. But I won't be able to give definitive opinions until I manage to get hold of the episode. Jacobshaven3 18:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter doesn't have Empathic powers what so ever. Until you see him feel great pain around some one in great pain then you can say he is a Empath.--Dil 23:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that too. I think Clairvoyance fits the best for now. EDIT: Forgot to sign this. --Stabbey 22:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I oppose any such power being listed with Peter. We've heard characters say that except for Sylar, people have only one power, and we've heard of other powered people who can enter or manipulate dreams. To start assigning Peter more powers based on his dream should mean that we should assign the same powers to Mohinder, based on HIS dreams. ThuranX 23:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Mohinders dreams were caused by the boy that can manipulate dreams, however Peter's seem to physically affect him and to come from him. He has clairvoyant abilities, but I wouldn't say solely that. He was always advertised as the "dreamer" and he is. I'd say he has hypersensitivity, as I've mentioned previously, thus linking both his apparent abilities. All characters naturally only have one power, but those powers can be used for different outcomes, for instance Hiro's ability to teleport and freeze time with the same ability. Jacobshaven3 01:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar's telekinesis really magnetism?

Because he didn't attempt to escape his confinements earlier in the episode Fallout, I'm led to believe Sylar was only able to drag Eden through the glass because of her gun. In prior scenes, Mr. Bennett is seen bringing food in and placing it in a non-metal tray. The sink, toilet and bed in his cell are also lacking any metal parts. In older episodes, Sylar's victims are shown impaled by knives and a metal chair. When Sylar is cornered by agent Hanson, the gun is again the focal point of his power when he tries to turn it on her. --Dorkeugene 15:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

He does use his power to fling non-metallic Claire into the wall.

Noclevername 16:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't he have physical contact with her in that instance though? I don't have that episode recorded, so my memory's a bit hazy. I do recall him using locker panels as weapons though. --Dorkeugene 16:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar also uses telekinesis to rip open the top of Jackie's skull and pull a non-metallic coffee cup to him. I think telekinesis is right. --Stabbey 18:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

During those other scenes, wasn't the Haitian in the building? And we know he doesn't need to be close by. PureSoldier 02:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar does affect a lot of metallic objects, but also some non-metallic things. Eden went through the glass head first [1], so Sylar couldn't have been pulling the gun. Prometheus^-X303- 05:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merge

List of Heroes contains the names of a lot of characters that have only been hinted at in the series; however, they have been hinted at or mentioned in passing, so they might be notable enough to include here. If this merge proposal fails, the article will be nominated for AfD instead. Kafziel ^Talk 19:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Delete The table already appearing in this article, which lists only the main characters, provides information to the reader; the new table, which also lists characters whose only appearance is a brief glimpse of their names, is noise. Primogen 20:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. This is much ado about nothing. While I do agree that we might benefit from formating our content more like that article did,—less thrills—it's not much of an article on its own or anything to merge. It's like...Marilyn Munster, poor, redundant content that should just have been redirected in the first place. Thus, I've done that. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've had the same discussion at Talk:Heroes (TV series). Turning an article into a redirect without discussion and without merging information isn't okay. Since this article is not completely redundant, we need to decide how much (if any) of the information is relevant. I'm not saying the minor characters on List of Heroes are even notable, but it should be discussed. I started the discussion on the creator's talk page before any of this other stuff happened. I'm just trying to give a new-ish user a break and a chance to have some input before we dump his contributions. What's the rush? Kafziel ^Talk 20:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

i made this list so that people can see the heroes of this show instead of trying to find them on the list of characters. this list took about an hour to do and it shows a quick way to finding the heroes.LeafGreen Ranger ^Talk 8:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible Mr. Bennet power?

The article lists Mr. Bennet as having no power, but is this known for sure? Clearly, Mr. Bennet has some means of either negating or being immune to the powers of others. One might infer that he simply has some sort of device... or a room with some kind of a field that achieves this, but when Mr.Bennett is not present Sylar is able to use telekenesis on Eden. Could this be Mr.Bennet's power; to negate or be immune to the effects of others' power? Also notice that Eden repeatedly fails to convince Mr. Bennett of anything, despite her power. Heck, maybe it wasn't the mind-erasor guy that was making Matt Parkman unable to use his mind-reading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AllUltima (talk • contribs) 11:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

It's possible, but we can't say that until it's confirmed. We just have to go along with what the show tells us (or doesn't tell us). Any of the supposedly normal characters could turn out to have powers, but we can't speculate. Kafziel ^Talk 15:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If the only reason Sylar wasn't able to use his telekinesis was because Bennet was in the room, then Bennet was taking a pretty dangerous chance leaving Sylar alone. He has no way to know if Sylar would try again if he left, and if he was the reason and Sylar did leave, he would escape. Given how far he's been willing to go to protect Claire, I don't think he would take that chance. I think the cell itself had some kind of power supressing field that Eden turned off. I also agree that he has no power until he's shown to have one. And Nathan was able to use his power right next to both Mr. Bennet and the Haitian. --Stabbey 16:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The Haitian was likely in the building during the first times that we saw Sylar in the jail cell, plus the Haitian did something to Sylar when Eden attempted to put him to sleep. Also, when Eden was trying to make him commit suicide, the Haitian was definately not in the building. PureSoldier 02:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

At this point, we're clearly gettign into speculation. Perhaps we can just wait a bit longer, and then add information? Until such time, just have nothing there, or a statement saying none known, because that's still true, we don't KNOW of any powers, we are just speculating, which Wiki doesn't want, as per the crystal ball amd WP:NOT essays. ThuranX 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that characters not revealed to have powers should be listed as "Unknown", because it allows for either possibility. Eden for example, was thought to not have a power at first, but later revealed to have one.128.220.159.42 07:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Clues to support that Mr.Bennett has the power to block are as follows.

examples taken from various source's, that the Haitian is misdirection.

• Mr.Bennett even says it himself in a way when he is talking to Sylar. He says, no one has more than one ability except for you. If the Haitain can alter people's minds and damp powers, that would count as two
• When he instructed the Hatian to "clean people out" (Matt, the Quarterback) he always left the room before the Hatian did it.
• When he instructed Eden to persuade Isaac, he was outside the room when she did it.
• Six months ago, Claire's cut bled freely as HRG was there but was healed w/o a scar shortly after
• Matt's powers did not work in the interrogation room in the vicinity of HRG and Claire
• Sylar's abilities didn't work when he was in the room and I guess while he wasn't there there was nothing for Sylar to throw around
• Peter started coughing as soon as HRG came into the room as if the healing effect reversed itself. he was better after Claire asked for a moment with him.
• "Six Months Ago" ep, Mr Bennett tells Eden something to the effect that "Your powers won't work on me."

signed git 7 December 2006

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Rebuttal to those points.

• Telepathy can cover blocking mental abilities and altering memories.
• So what? Unless a reason is shown for this, reading anything into it is speculation.
• So what? Reading anything not shown is speculation.
• The episode was full of other people's powers activating for the first time. Nathan hadn't flown before, was Mr. Bennet hanging around him all the time?
• The Haitian was nearby, we saw this. The Haitian was in the bar, Mr. Bennet was not (assuming he was is again, speculation).
• If Mr. Bennet or the Haitian was the only reason Sylar's abilities didn't work, then he wouldn't dare leave Sylar alive in case he tried to escape again when he or the Haitian weren't around.
• No, the coughing continued even with Claire there and Mr. Bennet outside. He also didn't look well. On an video interview on NBC.com (the one on Peter's dream), Milo Vemtimigila himself said he was sick from being near too many supers in close sucession (Sylar, Claire, Matt, Nathan).
• The Haitian was right there. He was blocking Eden. --Stabbey 17:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Some of these posts have now appeared in three separate articles. I suggest that the conversation about Bennet's possible powers be confined to Talk:Mr. Bennet (Heroes)#Power, or some kind of Tech? so that people don't feel they have to post the same messages in three different places. Primogen 19:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Rebuttal to :Rebuttal

I see the Haitian as a decoy, a way to fool people ever so subtly, however, if i am incorrect, which i may or may not be, i don't think i am, but if so, i will buy user Stabbey a 350ml pepsi, and drink it on user Stabbey's behalf, deal? -Git 7 December 2006

Git, you are now deeply into the realm of speculation. There are NO cited works to back up your claims, you're looking for coincidences and clues. Hypothesis is not what Wikis need, they need facts. ThuranX 21:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Simone as a main character?

She doesn't have a major role in any way, and Ando has been in pretty much every episode and is considered minor. What's the deal with this?128.220.159.42 07:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be Ando upgraded rather than Simone downgraded. Both are main characters in their own right, and are featured in almost all episodes. They both seem more involved in the action than Mohinder, and both were visible in the final dream of Peters, so I'd say both should be classified as main. Jacobshaven3 09:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

We don't make the rules, or those kinds of decisions. Also, I could have sworn Mohinder was in the dream briefly, as were all main characters. Ando's status is also still debatable. He's basically Hiro's sidekick. He's bound to be where Hiro is and Hiro was there because he was a main character. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 10:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The deal is the the The NBC Heroes Cast Page lists Simone among the 10 cast members (an NBC press release upgraded Mr. Benett to being a main cast member as of Episode 11), but Ando is not among the main cast. The way the show is written, guest and recurring characters often have more screen time than main characters. For this reason, some editors argued that Eden should be listed as a main character in this article -- but then she was killed off in this week's episode. It may be that Ando will return home after all the Heroes begin working as a team and Simone will begin playing a larger role. Obviously, we don't know what the writer's plans are, but the presumption is that they designated certain characters as being among the main cast for reasons that will become apparent in time. Primogen 14:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Niki's Power

Niki's ability to communicate with her "split personality" Jessica indicates that it is not actually a split personality, because two personalities cannot be conscious at the same time. Furthermore, it is established that Jessica at one time was a real person and Jessica is the only one who possesses the power of superhuman strength. This casts some ambiguity on Niki's power, which obviously is not split personality, as noted above, and because split personality is not a superpower, its a mental disease. Instead, I believe that Niki has a power related to being a medium, as foreshadowed by the scene at the graveyard in in "Six Months Ago." The idea behind the power is that dead spirits can possess her body, passing along their own abilities. That would explain both the black outs and her struggle to control Jessica. For those of you familiar with Brian Lumley novels, this would be akin to the powers of a Necroscope.

Due to this possibility and that the fact there has no clear indication to what powers Niki actually has, I propose that Niki and Jessica be separated as two different characters; Niki being a main character and Jessica a minor character. This separation would allow for further speculation on the nature of Niki's ability and would remove the confusion of Jessica having superstrength and Niki not having the ability. 141.161.73.100 00:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

For a while, both the Main Characters table and the Niki/Jessica Sanders infobox listed, for powers, "Niki: None, Jessica: Super strength". I thought worked much better than "Super strength via split personality", which strikes me as both interpretive and confusing. As for your proposal, I don't know the basis for Niki being "Major" and Jessica being "Minor" -- currently the designation is based upon which actors NBC says are part of the full-time cast. Primogen 00:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it best returned to how it was. At the moment, we don't know that Jessica is truly a different person to Nikki, and could still be a part of Nikki's subconsious. Although most people with Dual/ Multiple Personalities can't communicate, after some forms of therapy it is possible for the stronger personas to communicate. Although I agree the idea of her being a Medium is possible, anything added to suggest it would be Original Research. Jacobshaven3 01:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps "alter ego" would work better. We want to describe in plain terms what is shown (i.e., another personality takes over her body), not make a medical diagnosis, or imply that we know what forces are really at play.--Trystan 23:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps "She's a webcam stripper with an alternate personality" works best, because that's what is cited. Let's not go changing what the creators deemed. PureSoldier 23:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at the entry now (at least, for as long as it lasts). I've tried to rearrange it to resolve the problem. --Ckatz^chat_spy 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture	Name	Portrayed by	Age	Occupation/Status	Place of origin	Known Superpower(s)
Image:Heroes ali.jpg	Niki Sanders/ "Jessica" (alter ego)	Ali Larter	33‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.›	Webcam stripper	Las Vegas, Nevada	Superhuman strength (only as "Jessica")

Here's an interesting note on Niki's "power": (source: The TV Addict)

One of the things that has really struck a cord with the audience, especially women, is the strong female character that Ali Larter (Nikki) is playing? There is a lot of debate as to what her powers are. Can you comment on that? (Tim Kring, "Heroes" creator) It’s safe to assume that her powers are somewhat similar to that of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, or the Hulk. We’re leaving the door very open though.

--Ckatz^chat_spy 00:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the version you've posted above is the best way to go. It doesn't take Entertainment Weekly or other sources as the gospel truth, and leaves it as open for interpretation as it is in the show, as described in your Kring quote.--Trystan 02:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It is absolutely unclear whether Niki has a split personality or is possessed. If she has split personality, there is a chance that she has superstrength, but doesn't know how to use it without entering her alter ego (akin to Isaac). Or, and here's the problem, Jessica may have had the superstrength all of along, which she then can control while possessing her sister Niki, who is actually a medium. Now there is no publication that is clear on this. You can't use TV guide as a source, because they were already wrong on Eden's power. They're explanations are vague and do not pay close attention to details. When they say split personalities, they aren't getting into the details of does that mean schizo or demonic possession. This lack of clarity means that any attempt to classify Jessica as a split personality would be pure speculation. The original option, "superstrength via split personality" definitely does not work. The above propose, first links to split personality, which is bad, and second indicates that Niki has the power of super strength, which is not known at all. That would be similar to writing out all of the powers that Peter has temporarily possessed. The fact remains that her exact power is currently UNKNOWN to the viewing public and that the 'persona' of Niki definitely has superstrength. So the only way to clearly indicate this is to separate the two 'personas' (be they one person with two personalities or two people, one possessing the other).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.36.77 (talk • contribs)

I'd support removing the link to "split personality", but I think alter ego ("second self") is general enough to cover all cases of a second persona living within the same body, either by possession, absorption, or psychiatric disorder. And I think it's perfectly correct to say that she has super strength as Jessica, because that's exactly what has been shown. We're listing powers that have been exhibited. With Peter, there is enough information to generalize, but with Niki, there is not.--Trystan 03:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a reasonable compromise. How about if we wait for an hour or so to see if most people are OK with it, and then make the change. (As for your "douche" comment, 141.161.36.77, I'm not going to edit war with you. However, you might want to read WP:OWN and meta:Don't be a dick.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 04:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Alter ego seems much more acceptable than split personality. Also, it would be fine to list her as having super strength, only if it is indicated that is 'through' Jessica and not 'as' Jessica. It is again unclear whether she becomes Jessica or is being manipulated by Jessica. This would lead to a definition of her power more along the lines of: Superhuman Strength via Jessica alter-ego (via in this sense meaning through the agency of, which is widely interpretable). If you don't like the apposition, you can use something like: Superhuman Strength via her alter-ego of Jessica. 141.161.36.77 05:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Since we have a source using "Alter Ego" it sound best. We may not know either way about Nikki's power yet, but as I was reminded recently, we have to go by what we've been shown. Mediumship was only suggested because of an understanding of how Twin personality syndrome can affect people and that Nikki's never shown strength. All we know is that Jessica has taken over Nikki's body to protect her for years, and that Jessica is super strong. I'd say Ckatz layout shown above looks best, and utilizes all the information we currently have, rather than using any OR. Jacobshaven3 05:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

None vs. None Known

Stating that certain characters have No powers is speculative. It was originally posted Eden had no powers, and that was proved wrong. None Known shows that they currently have no known powers, but doesn't make casual readers of the article think that they don't have powers in general. For instance, Nikki may well have a mediumship power, enabling her to passively channel her dead sister, thus explaining how she can speak to her split personality. Also, so far families (especially of the same generation) with a hero in them all have an ability. E.g. Peter and Nathan, D.L. and Nikki (and Jessica) and Micah. Claire's mother (since she died in custody) and Claire. Since Mohinder's sister was "special" it's highly probably he will exhibit a power at some point. Although all of this is speculation, I'm not saying put "Unknown Power", I'm saying, put "None Known", which removes any speculation at all. Currently, by reverting my edit's, you are being spculative and presuming that they definately have no power. Especially since it is being shown possible that Mr Bennet is using the Haitian as a cover for his own power negating abilities, rather than the Haitian having that power and the ability to remove memories. (yes, once again speculation, but still as probably as the assumption he definately has no power). Jacobshaven3 18:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You're really taking this whole thing over Maddy's arguments at Talk:Micah Sanders too far. You know that, right? Anyway, Simone and Mohinder have been confirmed powerless in interviews, press releases, et cetera. Eden was assumed to be in the same boat, but being less than a main character, there was little insight from a reliable source. Also, your insistance on poor capitalization,—"None Known"? What is that? An episode title?—among other things, isn't helping your case. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I over capitalize, I thought I was getting better. As for the whole Maddy's arguments, I don't get what you mean. I'm trying to make these Heroes articles as good and true to the programme as possible. If you have a problem with my editing style, please bring it up in my Talk page where I can properly address it rather than clogging up these talk pages. And I didn't realise that by having poor grammer skills I had a less viable opinion than anyone else, thanks for bringing it to my attention. (And yeah, everything on these talk pages is someone's opinion.). Jacobshaven3 23:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

You're proposing changes which seem to be an overzealous take on Madchester's position, that's all. The "Heroes project" and various articles are all in fairly good shape. While there's room for improvement, I doubt qualifiers like "Known" will do it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The changes you are proposing are impossible to implement if you look beyond the main table. Would we list Zach, Audrey, Jackie, Tina or "miscellaneous cafe diner eaters" as having "none known" powers? The simplified version of the argument is "how can you prove that they don't have powers?" which is an argument from ignorance. Even if the characters display no powers for twenty years the listing would need to remain as unknown or none known because it can not be proved they don't have powers, even though on the balance of probabilities and common sense it could be assumed they don't have powers. As there is no proof that any of them have powers to begin with (burden of proof) it should remain listed as none until information is released that implies that they have abilities. –– Lid^(Talk) 06:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Stacy Haiduk's character

Since we're including some characters that have appeared only once or twice, should we also include the Homeland Security/FBI agent played by Stacey Haiduk in two episodes. The character seems to be depicted as something of a "nemesis" for Audrey Hansen and Matt Parkman. That said, does the character even have a name? IMDb just lists her as "FBI Agent" which might not even be correct as I thought she was referred to as Homeland Security? 23skidoo 15:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Tense

Should we be referring to deceased characters in the past tense? It's more common, when describing fiction, to use the present tense throughout.--Trystan 16:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Does Charlie know Hiro when they "first" meet.

When Hiro and Charlie first meet(before Hiro goes back in time to save her)dose she know him from 6 months ago but pretends not to. If hiro goes back in time, she should still know him plus she said that she got a Japanese phrase book, which turns out to be from hiro. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.157.5.206 (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

How, if and whether or not Hiro generates paradoxes has yet to be addressed in the series. ThuranX 18:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Linderman

An anonymous addition of Mr. Linderman a.k.a. Claude was removed today. Is this because it's an unsubstantiated rumor, or because the character has not yet appeared on the show? LeaHazel : talk : contribs 10:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that it is because it was insanely speculative. Funny, but without any proven basis in reality. WookMuff 10:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't even think they were basing it on Claude. GIPUs are just idiots sometimes. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Formerly in Archive 3

Trivial characters

a recent edit tried to add some ridiculously small characters, and was properly reverted. However, characters like Brody Mithcum, or Charles Deveaux seem to be unneeded, esp. as one's dead, and thus, unlikely to return unless a new character with the powers of a medium is introduced. Should we look to review this list, if not now during the hiatus, at least at the season's end? ThuranX 22:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

There are many characters who might not return, but it's speculative at this time to they absolutely won't return. Charles, Charlie, and Jackie are dead, but so are Suresh and Shanti who have been in Mohinder's dreams/visions. Brady and Zach lost their memory, but so did Lyle and Sandra. Molly was last seen in FBI protection, but she may or may not be now. Tina ran from Jessica, but they may meet again. Hank & Lisa might have been actors, or are they part of Mr. Bennet's organization? I think by the end of the season we'll have a better idea of who is less likely to return next season (which in itself is likely but not confirmed). My question is where should those characters go? I don't think they should just be deleted as all the characters so far, major and minor, have had some importance to the season 1 plot. fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

We may, inevitably, have to seperate the content into at least two pages again. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Referencing

are you serious? we reference fictional characters myspace profiles now do we?

"Zach's MySpace profile describes him as an 18-year-old sophomore who is a Wiccan and unsure of his sexual orientation (although NBC has since stated that the character is heterosexual[23]), for which some of Claire's fellow cheerleaders tease him."

sure u gotta mention the gay thing, but quote some where remotely respectable for gods sake...

Time Magazine: http://time.blogs.com/tuned_in/2006/12/setting_heroes_.html TV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx?posting={C0A6A661-5EA8-4F30-BF05-CE9C2F22CAB3}

i mean my myspace profile lists me as a 1cm tall wiccan, and im a REAL PERSON. ---Viva43 13:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Zach's MySpace page is a promotional website created and run by those behind the show. It's as respectable and reputable as any other official site about the show. --ΨΦorg 15:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Viva's point was that people do not necessarily tell the truth on their myspace pages. Branfish 06:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but this isn't a normal Myspace page. This is a myspace page created by the writers of Heroes, and as such, it's just as official as any other website created by a tv shows creators. It's part of the shows story, even if it's not a major part. dposse 00:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

What I meant was that, even though the page is intended to be Zach's genuine MySpace page, that doesn't mean that the character necessarily told the truth on it. Branfish 01:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Bran ideas

Lyle

"Only after Claire says that she would have to be taken away if her parents found out does Lyle finally exit the vehicle and grudgingly hand her the tape." - Claire doesn't actually say that she'll be taken away, she just says that they "wouldn't be a family any more". While that could be interpreted as saying that they would be physically separated, it could just as easily have referred to an emotional separation. Branfish 06:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Heidi

"She doubts Peter's story with an innocent explanation of the woman, but when Nathan confirms it in private, she believes him." - I don't know about anyone else, but I got the distinct impression that she didn't really believe him, and that he knew this. I took the exchange in question as an unspoken agreement to put it behind them and not talk about it again. I know this is speculation, but I think it is also speculation to state that she believes him. I suggest altering the final clause of that sentence to read "she says she believes him" or something along those lines. Branfish 06:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

"Texas" Tina

I don't recall her being referred to this in any episode. I'm not saying she hasn't been, but if she hasn't, why is it mentioned here? Could anybody give me a quote showing this nickname, or at least tell me which episode it's in? Branfish 08:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Credits. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

She's in the credits as "Texas Tina"? I'll have to review that on one of the online episodes. ^{Anticrash / _Talk 18:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)}

Aha - as in live in Englisherland, I download the episodes from t'internet, so I don't see the credits. Branfish 01:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

IsaacMendez image

where'd his thumbnail go? ThuranX 01:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair use dispute issues. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

How is it all the others are fair use, then? if the original image was tagged for lack of documentations, why hasn't someone remade it with full fair use tags? ThuranX 05:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't tell you the specifics as the dispute was deleted with the image, but the best on going example would be "Image:Clairebennet.jpg". Something to do with improper sourcing, and maybe image ripping from a non-NBC source. It could be further complicated by Wikipedia's the whole "images of actors/people don't need to be fair use" thing. (Thus, the crappy images so many bios of living people have.) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope someone can find a fairuse picture of it soon. dposse 17:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar

Shouldn't Sylar be under the Main Characters section? After all, a lot of the story does revolve around him. Several charactes, both minor and major, were killed or in some way affected by him, notably Eden and Jackie Wilcox. Many of Mr. Bennet's actions were determined by Sylar. Matt and Audrey spent a lot of time directly or indirectly involved in Sylar's murders, and so on and so forth. I could think of a dozen more reasons, but don't have the time to list them. --Arwen undomiel 05:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The "main characters" section is based on an actor's status as a "fulltime cast member" or "season/series regular". Also, they all have articles, so it's easier to list them the that way. Sylar is by no means unimportant, but having been captured and restrained,—not to mention his limited appearances and Quinto's "guest star" crediting—he's not exactly "main". And before anyone brings up Simone yet again, let me just say that Tawny is a regular, and we don't make the rules. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

like ACS said "main" status is confired not by us as wiki editors but by the producers of the show. So even though we may think that Sylar is a main character or that Simone is a wasted piece of script that doesn't mean the producers see it that way and to maintain NPOV we have to go by the official credits. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  07:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Claude

I don't think it's appropriate for such spoilerific information on Claude - who hasn't been in any episodes or comics - to be displayed yet. There's a difference between information already available, from already-aired episodes or online comics, and spoilers for things that are three weeks from airing. So I have commented out the spoiler parts, but not deleted them. Discuss here if you want. --Stabbey 14:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored. We have templates to "warn" readers of "spoilers", but we do not comment out or otherwise remove content so arbitrarily. If you have a question in the future, just state it first. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

What's the source on it, if the character hasn't appeared on the show or even in the comic? --Milo H Minderbinder 18:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The media. I've read a bit about the coming eps, myself. This all seems legit. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not agree. If I wanted to read spoilers about characters who haven't appeared on the show/comic yet, I'd go to spoilerfix.com or some other site, not Wikipedia. Is it really too much to ask to keep some of that information off the List of Characters page for a week or two, or at least limit it to the "Godsend" page? It's a courtesy to readers, not all of whom want to read spoilers weeks in advance. --Stabbey 18:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The warning is up. The free encyclopedia—not fansite, reviewer, etc.—does not withhold information. By the logic that we could be "spoiling" others, we'd have to remove a vast majority of the verified data we have in relation to fiction. Really, where's your head at? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about that. Most fiction is either available or it isn't - you have either read a book or you haven't. TV shows are a unique situation where people have watched all the episodes, but there are still upcoming ones. If they've watched it, they may expect that the article is safe to read, and should be warned if there is info on upcoming episodes. --Milo H Minderbinder 19:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between information that has been shown on the air and information that has not been shown on the air. It is incorrect to claim that there are only two choices - either publish spoilers or to remove all information; that is a strawman argument, and all the veiled insults in the world won't change that. --Stabbey 19:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

If an episode hasn't yet aired, the information isn't going to be especially reliable. Even if a source is generallyt rock-solid, there's no assurance that there won't be a last-minute change before the episode airs. I also agree with other editors who've pointed out that there's a significant difference between "spoilers" from episodes that have already aired and true spoilers from episodes in the future. SuperMachine 20:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with SuperMachine regarding the inherent unreliability statements regarding future content. The scope of articles on creative works should generally be the works as they have been presented to the public, i.e. published or aired. I don't think the characters or events of unaired episodes of a television show are appropriate for inclusion.--Trystan 20:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Gents, to put it simply, it's not up to you, or a vote. By including the information, we are following Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and mission statement. Withholding it, however, would be certainly not be kosher, so to speak. I also direct you to WP:CITE and Wikipedia's stance that "verifiability comes first." Legally, Wikipedia doesn't claim it's accuracy. To be more clear, we don't claim to be infallible. We state we sources tell us. Sources can be wrong, though we aim to use reliable ones. Furthermore, I have not noted one situation where a reliable source was inaccurate with regard to the Heroes articles and data. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying that Wikipedia policy requires the inclusion of information about unaired television episodes? I certainly hope I'm misunderstanding your point. Just because Wikipedia doesn't have a legal responsibility to be 100% accurate doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for such a goal whenever possible. If ensuring accuracy means waiting until an episode actually airs, this seems like a small price to pay. SuperMachine 21:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's aim is amass wealth of knowledge and remain up to date. Furthermore, your claims of possible inaccuracy are not valid. Can you give any reason why the source—not the data—is not reliable enough to cite? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:V: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material."

There is certainly more to whether or not something is included than whether or not it is published somewhere. I would challenge the notability of events and characters from unaired TV episodes, as well as the reliability.--Trystan 22:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not see how withholding this unaired information until the episode containing it actually airs would damage the credibility of the article. The only thing that including it now will accomplish is to annoy people who did not want to know the information in advance. You have yet to demonstrate any reasons why the information must be included "right now", when nothing will change in the next 19 days. --Stabbey 22:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The data is verified by the citation. That's the evidence. What more can you ask for? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Trystan and Stabbey raise some very good points. It's rather doubtful that a character who has not yet appeared or been mentioned in the show is notable enough to be included in the article. When the episode does air, I'd fully support the inclusion of any verifiable and notable information about him. There no rush to include information in Wikipedia, it's not a fan or spoiler site, nor a message board. Keeping up to date does not mean including things that haven't yet occurred. The fact is that Wikipedia operates on consensus, and there simply isn't a consensus to include information from not-yet-aired episodes.SuperMachine 00:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Consensus and common sense, not railroading with faulty logic. You're removing a whole entry subjectively. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you explain why our logic is "faulty", yet yours is beyond question? Why our "common sense" is wrong and yours is right? Why is there such a pressing reason to publish so much information on the site, when the episode where it is revealed is in 20 days? Can you answer that? --Stabbey 01:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't obligated to include all information, even if it is verifiable. The editors of an article determine if it is notable and appropriate. At this point I don't think it adds anything to the article. --Milo H Minderbinder 16:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Split proposal

Reverting edits by a somewhat misguided user today, I may have found a viable way of splitting the content. Would Non-powered characters of Heroes and Superhumans of Heroes be okay? While it's not really a good way to section the content on this page, it would cut the content in half and help readers find the type of character they're looking for easier. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure a split is necessary right now. This article is a fairly reasonable length, especially when compared with ones such List of characters from The Sopranos - Friends and Family. Perhaps after the first season is over we should revisit the idea of splitting the article. SuperMachine 23:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree with SuperMachine - the article size doesn't warrant splitting the content into two separate articles. A split would actually make it more difficult for casual readers to find a specific character, especially if they don't know whether or not the character has powers. On a related note, be careful not to bite the newbies - there's no reason to label Hiro Dynoslayer as "somewhat misguided". While his/her bio entries needed some work, the first edit here (using section headers to divide powered and unpowered minor characters) was actually a pretty good idea that is worth considering. --Ckatz^chat_spy 23:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You're joking, right? It's pointless to divide them like that in one article. It just makes more header TOC clutter. Plus, the user thought "Sylar" was a redirect, among others. "Misguided" was putting it nicely. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Rather than just saying "it's pointless" - could you explain WHY you think it isn't worthwhile? One extra entry in the TOC, when there are already almost thirty entries, hardly constitutes "clutter". I looked at the edit, and found it to be a clear, simple way of keeping all of the minor characters in one place, while quickly and easily identifying which ones were powered and which ones were not. I'd prefer to discuss the idea, and see what the group thinks, rather than just dismissing it outright. --Ckatz^chat_spy 00:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It's fine in princible, I guess, but it seems kinda meaningless with all the characters on one page anyway. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Inevitably, the page will have to end up split again. Just because the Sopranos page is long doesn't mean we have to wait that long before splitting. The question for me is whether Non-powered / Superhuman will cause less edit-warring than the Major / Minor split did (with Simone, Ando and Sylar). Thinking back through the first part of the season, had the Non-powered / Superhuman split existed instead of Major / Minor, there might be more edit warring. Did Micah have a power or was he just a genius? Did Eden have a power? Was it Mohinder who had the visions or (as we later find out) Sanjog? On a side note, waiting until the season's end in May will provide us a better idea of how to split the page. fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

All characters are presented as powerless (by us and the show) until proven/presented otherwise. Also, it helps that at least two guest stars (Zach/Dekker and Tina/Quinn) have left while others are just dead (permanently, I hear). Others are family, and the show made clear who of them had powers off the bat. Plus, I don't really think there was edit warring so much as differences of opinion and debate. Separating this way wouldn't be bad or premature. We might still need to state somewhere that certain characters are of a different status than the ones played by guest stars, but feh. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

If the split occurs as non-powered / superpowered, I don't see a problem with each of the two pages still having the status division as it is currently (main at the top, recurring below). fmmarianicolon | Talk 02:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Negative on the split, por favor. How about we just create an icon to place beside each character's name to designate "Powered" and "Non-powered". Pleeeease? ^{Anticrash / _Talk 16:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)}

Lame and amateurish. We're not a fansite. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I oppose any sort of split at the current time and 'strongly oppose any split based on powerer/non-powered. It's simply not a useful way to split characters. In order to find information on a specific character, a reader would already have to know if they had superpowers. Also, we're only a dozen episodes into the show and know relatively about superpowers in the Heroes universe. How do they originate? Can they be lost? How many people have superpowers? What if it turns out that the majority of characters have latent superpowers? I suggest waiting until the end of the first season before we seriously discuss splitting the article along any lines. It's a quite reasonable size and the pace of characters introduction is bound to slow from the first half of the season. SuperMachine 02:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Aww man...okay. Supe, you make some good points. I suppose this little proposal of mine has been denied. Aw well. If worse comes to worst, we can always separate by something different. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

"Separate by something different" as in..... Powered/Non-powered designated icons, perhaps? ^{Anticrash / _Talk 08:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)}

How old are you? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 09:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Old enough to be adult and have a sense of humor about things when some people choose to be condescending and elitist. I could care less if you differentiate between Powered and Non-powered characters, but don't try and demean me for offering my input. ^{Anticrash / _Talk 03:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)}

New Eden McCain image

Can someone either edit this image or create a new one of the same dimensions as the others, and upload and link it, so as to maintain integrity of design and alignments? Thank you. ThuranX 02:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll take care of it.. I put up a lot of streamlined images for other characters already (including Eden) so I'll put up another pic for her. What happened to the one that was there before? Did I forget to source it? ^{Anticrash / _Talk 16:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)}

I suspect so. There seems to be a large wave of legelists cascading over wiki pately, doing big image reverts and removals to protect copyrights or just remove unlabelled images. it's a pain in the rear, but at least at the end wiki won't have to go through it again. I hope. ThuranX 20:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Main character

Who is the main character? --theDemonHog 03:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

There are actually twelve main characters. Are you asking about the actor that plays a particular character, or about which of the twelve is the "main" main character? ^{Anticrash / _Talk 03:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)}

The main "main." --theDemonHog 03:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say Peter Petrelli is the main protagonist. He seems to have the most important role in saving the world. ^{Anticrash / _Talk 04:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)}

Not a forum, guys. Anti, your intentions are good, but questions such as this should be generally decouraged. Furthermore, it might not be best to response with idle speculation, supposition or original research. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hog, how does your question relate to improving- no...even editing the article? Any encyclopedic information you would need should be in the article. As a role of thumb, if no character is stated to be "the protagonist", there probably isn't one. (Also, it's "Heroes", not "Hero".) Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, Ace Class Shadow. I do know that the show is called Heroes, and my question could potentially help "impriving" and "editting" this article. For the casual reader, it is important to know who the main character is. I now know that this show does not have a main character, which is unheard of. --theDemonHog 19:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd add that lots of television series have no "main" character. An example is "Charmed" which have three, or Roswell, Lost, Desperate Housewives etc. Jacobshaven3 20:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Lost's main character is Jack, though not by much, and Desperate Housewives' Teri Hatcher gets paid more and has her name at the top of the credits. --theDemonHog 21:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Once again, this is not a forum, guys. Hog, you can be incivil if you want, but the bottomline is that you asked a question with no obvious encyclopedic value. Your intentions are debatable, as you're just now saying "I was only trying to improve the article!" (I'll disregard the implication that we needed you to realize and write up who the supposed "main main character" is.) Also, a biased perception—in this case, that TV series usually/always have one clear protagonist—isn't the best basis for question, as this is, once again, not a forum. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize. You can remove this section if you want (as it says at the top). --theDemonHog 03:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

No big. I don't think this is really a stain on the page, so I see no reason to remove it at the moment. I would like to gladly consider this discussion closed. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Move

I suggest that this page be moved to Characters of Heroes or Characters in Heroes like Characters of Lost. A list is more like List of Prison Break characters and List of characters in 24. --theDemonHog 20:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that it really makes that much of a difference. What we have here is still a "list," even if its not like the Prison Break or 24 lists, but a list nonetheless. Though I do see your point, and how it would streamline the formats of similarly titled articles. But, I just think it's unnecessary. Besides, Characters of Heroes already redirects here. ^{Anticrash / _Talk 21:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)}

List of is usually the preferred format lately. I'd instead suggest posting to those pages about their titles, or just wait around till the adminds get a series of AfD- Renames about the whole lot.ThuranX 21:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Beautiful job!

Whoever placed those new pictures there in the list, thank you! It seriously makes this article jump, in a good way. It's very impressive. Great job, guys!! dposse 21:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, kind sir. The page was due for an image rehash, since most of those older pictures were so diminutive. I appreciate the feedback.  Anticrash  talk  21:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Formerly in Archive 4

Hana Gitelman

The latest online comic has introduced a new female character, IDF lieutenant Hana Gitelman. The comic says that this is the first of a four part series about Hana, and she will be on the show. I think she should be added to the list of characters, even though she hasn't appeared in an episode yet. If people want to wait 2-3 weeks for other comics that's OK too. --Stabbey 21:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

This week (Dec 31 - Jan 6)'s online comic revealed Hana's power, it seems to be a very specific aspect of Technopathy that allows Hana to send and recieve wireless electronic communication. --Stabbey 14:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's just describe what it does. For better or worse, Madchester has a point that "technopathy" is label and not necessarily one we can verifiably use. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I only mentioned Technopathy because part of the description for it read "a special form of ESP that allows for mental interface with computer data." I agree Technopathy is too vague to be used. I'm thinking "Electronic Communication", although that doesn't sound quite right. --Stabbey 22:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Cyberpathy, is the term used to describe her power, though since I've not found a reliable third party reference to this, Electric Communication seems like a good enough description.Jacobshaven3 17:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

"As she is bombarded by too many messages at once, she screams out to point of damaging her vocal chords." That is possible, but it isn't confirmed. Mr. Bennet tells her not to speak because she's been alseep for weeks and her vocal cords are dry. --Stabbey 01:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Last part of the comic series indicates her reading an email addressed to "Teddybear616". Thinking there might be an ARG-ish aspect to it, I tried to Google it and the only English page is a myspace page seemingly unrelated, and even then Google can't pull the exact page located in the search result. The email text is part garbage, part leetspeak - doesn't seem to have any real content to it though I'll be pouring over it later on today. Anyone else have more luck in identifying any clues as to who "Teddybear616" is? Big Head Zach 16:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Both of Hana's notes were removed from her section of this page. I restored the note from her name spelling, as it's consistant with S. Iyer's note and will hopefully prevent people from editing her name to the typo. I didn't restore the second note as we usually haven't announced when other characters such as Claude will appear. However, I will put it below incase it is decided that we should restore it for tomorrow. If it is restored, one could also noted that Heroes previews during last week's Deal or no Deal said a new character will be revealed during this week's Deal or no Deal and the character shown does resemble Hana's... " - * The end of ''Wireless'' part 4 indicates that Hana may be featured in a "special sneak peak" for ''Heroes'' airing one half hour before the initial first run broadcast of the episode "[[Godsend (Heroes)|Godsend]]".

Hana split

Hey. Ace here. Now, I know I could be bold and just do it, but I wanted to run my intentions by others first. I was thinking Hana Gitelman could be split off into her own article. As usual, this is an informal proposal and there's no real deadline. Still, I'd like to do it sometime soon, obviously. Thoughts? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good Jacobshaven3 03:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Would be a good idea. Even though she's not a main character(yet?) in the series, she has her own miniseries in the graphic novels, which should make her prominent enough to have her own page. PureSoldier 03:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's done. Come Feb, it should be the top result of a google search. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Clarie pulling Brody's body out of the car?

I just watched said episode where Claire drives Brody's car into the wall. Brody's character description says Clarie pulls him out before the car explodes and he sees this, but is this accurate? I just watched the episode via iTunes and did not see any of that at all, only them waking up in the hospital.

70.247.84.54 05:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)OUChevelleSS

Heroes graphic novels. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Some Characters Unnecessary for Article

Some of the charaters listed here are very minor and are likely not to appear on the show again. I suggest they be removed from the article. hippi ippi 11:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. Some of the characters listed in this article only appear in one episode. Therefore, there really is no point in listing them. These characters include Molly Walker and Charlie Andrews. hippi ippi 01:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Charlie Andrews appeared in two episodes. PureSoldier 01:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Hippi, importance can't be based solely on episodes. Furthermore, I don't think removal is the answer. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

If you look through the talk page and archives, this topic has been raised before. The general consensus is to wait till the end of the season, then prune the list. It's likely that characters like Charles Deveaux will be dropped, but that others, like Charlie, who provided the impetus for a major change in Hiro, from bumbling tourist to dedicated hero, will stay. ThuranX 12:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Charles Deveaux, I noticed that Peter exhibited similar dreams in a few episodes as the one Charles described. I wonder if this might not be a power that was otherwise left ignored. Azselendor 22:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't every character, no matter how "minor" affect each lead in some way? If not for Molly Walker, then Matt Parkman wouldn't be considered for FBI. PureSoldier 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Charlie appeared in at least two or three episodes, not just one. --Milo H Minderbinder 14:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do we need to "crop" the list? Molly, as well as a big pot device, could well become a Hero later in the series. Many tv series have just lists of characters witha entence description, I think that would be better than selectively choosing which ones we think are more important, screams NPOV and OR to me. Jacobshaven3 14:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Just touching on Molly, in one interview (Either one of the Wizards interviews from the past week or the podcast (Micah ref. on main article)) the writer being interviewed noted that Molly is currently in a safe place and will return later on. The writers are just looking for an appropriate place to bring back her character into the plot. When the page is split later on or at the end of the season, the lists will be short enough again to retain the characters with smaller parts like Hank & Lisa and Charles. fmmarianicolon | Talk 16:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, they were asked a question. Their answer was non-commital and by no means the first indication that Molly "will" return. I believe the words '"may" or "might" were used. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, I apologize. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing Micah

I can't find Micah on the article. His details are all edited in correctly, but he's not coming up... I think I messed up, but for the life of me can't see where. It's also saying Peter has technopathy, even though that is under Micah's in the edit. It could be my computer and everyone elses showing up fine, but I thought I'd let people know. Jacobshaven3 02:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot a / symbol, anyhow... since I'm against removing stuff in Talk just mentioning it's fixed now...Jacobshaven3 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Claude and Doctor Who

I don't know if it's notable, and it's probably not something to be put on the page until next week at least, but in the Global TV next episode preview, he says "Fantastic! You're one of those..." sarcastically to Peter when he releases he has powers. It seems like this might be an intentional nod to his portrayal of Doctor Who (it was sort of his catchphrase, even more so than Tennant's I'm So Sorry bit) Webrunner 17:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I kind of went crazy at that part, when he said "fantastic". But it's way too early to say anything definite, and either way, it's still on the wrong side of the original research border. --TcDohl 15:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Eden's death

I added an alternate interpretation of how Sylar was able to seemingly ignore Eden's command to commit suicide. Eden told him "I'm going to put this gun in the box, send it to you, and then you will shoot yourself." By attacking her before she put the gun in the box, he could have been able to loophole his way out of the command. StaffanBaloo 04:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That's speculation, leave it out. PureSoldier 04:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's at least as supported as the assertion that Sylar somehow was resistant to her power (despite being affected in a previous episode). Perhaps something along the lines of "Her power failed to affect him. This could either have been due to poor phrasing, or due to Sylar being able to resist it."?StaffanBaloo 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's best just to put what happened, not why it could have happened. Wiki's an encyclopedia, and you don't see Britanica saying, "He could have killed him this way, but no one's sure." The real reason might be supported later on, and you don't want to state possibilities.PureSoldier 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

In which case it should probably be something along the lines of "goes to his cell to persuade him to commit suicide, but fails when she is attacked telekinetically etc. (continued as the article currently stands). Neither mentioning resistance nor phrasing. StaffanBaloo 04:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. PureSoldier 04:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Recent changes

Hey. Ace here. Just a few notes for those who might have missed some of the recent changes. I've created WikiProject Heroes. (Feel free to join.) I've archived the content once at Talk:Minor characters of heroes and listed it above. I've split off Ted Sprague into his own article. (I know, I know; "About time, ACS!") That's all, I think. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Editor Recognition

I'd like to take a moment here to recognize Fmmarianicolon, who went above and beyond in finally settling the homosexuality issues surrounding Zach by finding cites for the story, so we can include it here. Great job, Fmmariancolon! ThuranX 02:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, ThuranX! I know many were tired of people beating the dead horse, so hopefully the citations will help us bury this Mister Ed. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 04:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, I don't think it was intentional but i love the mixed metaphor of beating a dead horse then burying it :) Kudos on the citations WookMuff 05:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Sanjog / Campitos

I don't remember this, but wanted to ask before reverting: was Sanjog referred to as "Campitos" in Homecoming? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 22:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Not that I can recall, and I don't think that means anything in Indian. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Claude

The article currently reads

"Claude, played by Christopher Eccleston, is a hero with the power of invisibility. He first appears in the episode "Godsend" during one of Peter's dreams".

I think he actually appeared for a brief moment in Peter's dream at the end of the episode before "Godsend". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kvaks (talk • contribs) 07:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

I just checked that episode (I'm presuming you mean Fallout (Heroes)), and I might have missed it but I don't think he's seen in it. I know he's in the expanded vision in Godsend, but I can't see him at all in the Fallout vision. Jacobshaven3 11:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right. Sorry about wasting your time. --Kvaks 03:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Question: why is Claude a minor character? Shouldnt he be listed as a main character? After all, he is teaching Peter to use his powers... Timebender13 22:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Check out Heroes_(TV_series)#Characters. He's offically listed as a guest star and not of the main cast. dposse 16:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Wi-Fi Lady?

I didn't see her her sneak peek during Deal or No Deal that night. I see I'm not the only one. Does anybody have info on her? Just thought maybe we wouldn't be able to because it's a spoiler? IronMan54 02:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hana Gitelman has a summary in this article and her own article. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 02:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)