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Article Bloat/Overflow

It was nice to get this list of Green Lanterns out of the Green Lantern article, but it seems that the same sort of bloat is popping up here.
It is a "List of Green Lanterns", not a place to backport all Green Lantern articles into. --sigmafactor 07:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd really rather have a list than a bunch of one-para articles about minor Green Lanterns that boil down to "Foo appeared in comic Bar #X, as part of a scene that included many Green Lanterns." I'm not sure whether to set the merge/don't merge line at G'nort or Abin Sur; what I do know is that G'nort's article was way, way too detailed for what amounts to a backup character.

I still need to rewrite (for brevity and relevance) the John Stewart and Guy Gardner sections of this list; I've been procrastinating because I don't know a heck of a lot about Stewart or Gardner, and am kind of hoping someone else takes care of that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Erk. Please don't delete the G'nort section; I'm busy working on the article right now. I have no intention of leaving it that long permanently. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was my synopsis unsatisfactory?
Please also refer to the note I left on your talk page.
Also, I think the begining of your rewrite introduces a POV. G'nort isn't entirely stupid or bumbling.--sigmafactor 07:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I really think this article should be one or two sentences describing a character along with the main article link. If you start merging every minor GL into here, it becomes so long that no one will ever read it all. --waffle iron 07:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can there be a consensus on the length of each character blurb? Remember, this is supposed to be a list. As it stands, this page fits very few of the requirements and standards set via Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) --sigmafactor 07:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I originally made this as a list of minor Green Lanterns, not including Scott/Jordan/Rayner, and I was pondering bumping even Stewart and Gardner back into Green Lantern. I was planning to merge most of the "Foo appeared in a group secene in Bar #X" GLs here.

I don't really see the value of a comprehensive list of every single Green Lantern Corps member; the cat already does that job nicely. I was thinking this would be a "List of minor characters in foo", much like similar lists for Star Wars, LOTR, and Harry Potter. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But each of these characters have their own detailed histories and have appeared in more than five issues (often times spanning multiple GL books and volumes). Compressing them all here will eventually create a super-article that will be almost unmanagable and at the same time divert almost every single GL wikilink to one place.
Wouldn't it be better to take the time to bring each character page up to a higher level instead of deconstructing 20? --sigmafactor 08:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel you can expand on a merged character, just break the character out again and leave a one-para summary behind. Personally, I'm sort of doubtful that most of these can be expanded without bloat; take a look at how much I was able to squeeze out of G'nort (into List of Green Lanterns#G'nort) without losing any facts other than an unsourced claim that he's a fan favorite and the fact that he once scared away some feline-humanoid bank robbers.

I just don't feel it's valuable to spoil every single plot point of Emerald Twilight, Rann-Thanagar War, GLC:Recharge, Moore's run on Green Lantern, etc. Most of these characters need a few-sentence description, a first-appearance and creator credit, and a couple of paragraphs briefly summarizing the events in which they are involved. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most other comic character articles "spoil" their entire backstory. What is the statue of limitations on calling 5-10 year old character history a spoiler? If the same litmus test was applied to most comic articles on wikipedia, each one would be a couple sentences -- even some of the larger DC characters.
There are loads of creator interviews online that would provide ample material to expand GL characters articles beyond straight historical content. --sigmafactor 08:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empire Strikes Back has spoiler tags. Thunderball has spoiler tags. Casablanca (film) has spoiler tags. There isn't a statue of limitations on spoilers on Wikipedia.

A look at Captain Marvel (DC Comics) (a featured article) may be enlightening. Very, very little time is spent describing every single appearance of Captain Marvel; instead, his role in major stories is described briefly and his role in minor stories (or incidental appearances in larger stories) is mentioned in broad strokes (for example, "...a typical use for Captain Marvel guest appearances in current comics is as a backup for Superman when a flight-enabled, super-strong being is needed, especially in situations where Superman's special weaknesses (which Captain Marvel does not share) are involved.")

I feel very strongly that description of fiction on Wikipedia should favor overview and summary over minute detail. There's a tendency to create fansite-style entries for every single character, major or minor, resulting in articles useful only to readers already steeped in the particular fictional setting's mythos.

Now, I'm not going to go overboard. Again, Kilowog, Tomar Re, and such aren't going to be merged; I'm planning to merge the one-shot, joke, and group-shot GLs to this list. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are loads of creator interviews online that would provide ample material to expand GL characters articles beyond straight historical content. --sigmafactor 08:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you can do that, go right ahead and unmerge and do so. In the meantime, I feel lists written with an eye to encyclopedic overview instead of fansite-style bringing-the-reader-up-to-speed-up-to-and-including-the-last-issue detailed plot descriptions are more appropriate to Wikipedia. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The heart of this conversation we are having is over the future of many, many articles. Wouldn't it be easier to get a consensus from a wide sampling of Comic Wikipedians so that there only is one overhaul; as opposed to an overhaul followed by another overhaul? I know that we both have similar goals about readability and keeping articles funtional, but disagree on implimentation.
Sorry to cut this short for now, but I have to get to sleep. Would it also be possible to keep all future discussion on the Comics project page in order to get my suggested consensus? --sigmafactor 08:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, I just want to limit this debate to Green Lanterns, since there are a lot of them, a lot of neglected stubby articles, and an easy merge target. I was hoping I could more or less fly this one under the radar so I could finish this miniproject, then take the complete, superior final result to the Comics project as a whole in order to rally people into merging lots of similar minor characters (hello, every single alternate-universe character ever) into similar lists. Sort of anti-Wiki, I know, but in an IAR get-the-place-looking-good kind of way.

That said, can I bring you in on my Eeeeeevil Plot? You clearly know more about the Green Lanterns than I do (I'm more of a Silver Age kind of guy), and can help me out separating the face-in-the-crowd or one-joke characters from the recurring-and-actually-important-just-not-headlining characters. If the merge doesn't work out, oh well, it can always be split apart again, and plenty of cleanup and update will get done in the meantime anyway.

Trust me, overhauling and overhauling again generally gets more done than the convincing-someone-not-to-overhaul-and-the-articles-still-get-forgotten alternative. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I prefered having the green lanterns separated out. Its simpler then having to scroll down, and feels nicely organized. G'nort's article size was appropriate, if a fan wants to create something for G'nort, then by all means they should. But you arbitrarily merging all the documents into one, particularly if they are more then a paragraph is, i feel, inappropriate. If you wanted to clean up, then you should have done it on the individual lanterns pages, merge them all into one like this. However in your favour, I'm not going to take the trouble to merge or demerge all these pieces. Since you were willing to put in the time, all the more power to you. I just think you are defeating the purpose of wikipedia dictionary where people can get information quickly on any topic and not have to scroll down anywhere and not have to look thru a large merged list of information. Instant and precise gratification thats what I'm looking for. Sunburst 15:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects do take you directly to the list, the table of contents is only one more click, and I intend to replace the links to individual Green Lanterns with anchor links (like this: [[List of Green Lanterns#G'nort|G'nort]]) when the merge is done. It's just that the cleanup and merge is more pressing in the meantime. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jack T. Chance

I hope my addition of Jack T. Chance isn't adding to the bloat, but I know he's a minor fan favorite; also, I've heard rumor that he's going to come back with the other "kidnapped" GLs in Issue #11. Coyote42 08:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. Ideally, I'd like to make this list as complete as possible. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Organization

Hmm. It looks like "Alien Green Lanterns" is going to be the bulk of this article. I'm pondering how (or if!) to break it up; most of them fit into rough groups. There's the Alan Moore "Tales of the GLC" Lanterns, the TotGLC Apokolips invasion Lanterns, the Recharge Lanterns, and so on. The only reason I don't break it up is because several of thee groups would only have 2 or 3 GLC members in them, and there would be an inevitable and somewhat ugly "Everyone else" header.

Any thoughts? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GL Navbox

It is my contention that the GL Navbox is to character specific in most instances and is thus used as a catch-all for all GLs and for this list of GL's. The fact is: 1.) there is already a listing of notable GL's within this article, 2.) any inclusions of notable adversaries should be listed if consensus feel this is appropriate, although this being a "List of GL" article it seems to not correlate, and 3.) notable stories featuring GLs are referred to throughout the article itself, and any additional storylines should be included within the text itself, IMHO. NetK 06:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the value of a navbox is for quick-reference navigation; often it will duplicate links appearing in the text. WP:NAV explains the utility of such boxes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the template in question is being put to a vote as to whether it should continue to exist, and thus far the voting consensus, such as it has been, is to remove it. Thoughts? NetK 06:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This template isn't on TFD. Where is this vote taking place? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

G'nort

Not sure if it is me but thre a degree of repetition in the G'nort section? [1] I know it can be tricky expanding someone else's work but similar facts seem to pop up a couple of times - might just be me though so... (Emperor 19:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Ji Long

Ji Long was a Green Lantern too, yet he has not been included until now, and the series he appeared in was back in 2001. I looked the series up and it is not in any "Elseworlds" continuity, but is actually in the canon continuity, so therefore he should be added to this list. (User:Captain N 8:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC))

Okay. Go ahead. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Taggett

First seen in Green Lantern Silver Age #3, Robert Taggett is the Uncle of Hal Jordan of sector 2814 of Earth. Finding out by accident that Hal was a Green Lantern He joinied Hal without hesitation to defending Earth and fought along side his nephew even though he basically did not know what he was doing or how to use the ring which Hal has made for him as a temporary weapon. As the Uncle of Green Lantern he assisted in the saving of Earth against the forces of Sinestro and was awarded a sector as a full Green Lantern assuming sector 2813 next to his Nephew. Stricken in space with a heart attack (GL #18) he was recovered in space by Wylxa and Vox and brought back to Oa where a new plyogenic heart was installed. While there he was charged with assisting in the developing of a new style ring more powerful than ever seen before, which he now uses. Now on the job as a full Green Lantern he assumes his post as GL of sector 2813.

Ekron

It's been recently revealed that Ekron, of Emerald Eye fame, was a Green Lantern (and that the eye itself is a power ring). I don't really know how to really start his section, as the Emerald Head has appeared only twice, but he probably should be mentioned. Webrunner 21:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Lanterns

As I'm new and I have no idea yet how to modify a post without pissing everyone off, can someone please set up the page to highlite the three new lanterns Soranik Natu, Vath Sarn, and Isamot Kol that are the new focus along with Guy Gardner and Kilowog?

G'nort (GL: Collateral Damage)

... okay, am I the only person here that thinks this G'nort cannot be the same G'nort mentioned in this page? Could this be another character with the same name? I looked at the current page and noticed that there is no mention of this miniseries, so I don't know if I should add him or not. --Kitsune Sniper / David Silva 23:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Charley Vicker"

There won't Italic textbeItalic textan article on him until his name is spelled correctly. His moniker is Italic textCharlie VickersItalic text. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.22.119 (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

On the contrary. In his original appearance in Green Lantern #55 and 56 (1967), his name was Charley Vicker. Later writers, apparently working from memory, misspelled it "Charlie Vickers." 167.206.122.66 (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Lost Lanterns

Shouldn't someone combine Boddika, Laira, etc's files into a "Lost Lanterns" section? They are collevtivly called that now (See GL #21). Bluecatcinema 09:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know this reply is far, far leter but for the record, the only link the Lost Lanterns have left now is a deep friendship. Well, for most of them. The ones that survived. Lots42 (talk) 14:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

G'Nort

I came here hoping to proclaim a desire for G'Nort to have an individual article (heck, the guy already -has- an alternate universe version) but I read the rest of the debate and am officially a bit overwhelmed.

But I'm sticking to my guns. G'Nort should have his own article.Lots42 23:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rot Lop Fan

I created a new page for Rot Lop Fan but now is gone please help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.90.102 (talk) 19:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone probably thought he wasn't noteable enough to have his own page. Not all GLs deserve one at this point in time. Who knows, maybe Rot Lop will team up with Kyle for six issues and do noteable stuff. Or maybe he'll be eaten. Lots42 (talk) 10:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flodo Span

I built a page on Flodo, but Wikipedia won't let me put up an image of him! How do I do that? 69.139.235.160 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bzzd

I believe Bzzd needs his own page. Retroqqq (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Stewart

HE is in the wrong place or is it my idea.

I ll fix this immediatelly. Retroqqq (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He and Gardner should be right after Jordan with Rayner listed fourth. --68.81.70.65 (talk) 13:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leezle Pon

Leezle Pon created by Alan Moore. Just found out but anyway there arent many information about her to support her own page. Retroqqq (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Charley Vickers & Sector 2

Wasn't Charley Vickers a Green Lantern from Earth? BTW it was revealed in issue #20 of the current Blue Beetle series that the Reach (ancient enemies of the Guardians) hail from Sector 2. Qward is Sector 1 and Oa is Sector 0. The reason I point out the Reach's sector is that Hannu is listed as being from sector 2, but according to the pact between the Reach and Guardians, wouldn't sector 2 be off limits? --68.81.70.65 (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why ALL of Sector 2 would be off limits.--Marhawkman (talk) 11:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Especially not now as Sector 2 ain't off limits to the Yellow Corps. Lots42 (talk) 14:22, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like Vega, Sector 2 was declared off limits by the ancient pact between the Reach and the Guardians. --Xero (talk) 12:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mother Mercy

Should she get her own article yet? Her children have certainly made an impact.--Marhawkman (talk) 11:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copying info

Someone SEEMS to be copying info straight from the recent official D.C. Green Lantern source book. This is not allowed. Lots42 (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unless it's copied word for word there's nothing against it. even then it's fine as long as it's quoted.--Marhawkman (talk) 12:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh... yes and no, mostly no.

With a lot of the entries here, the Green Lantern / Sinestro Corps: Secret Files is going to be the natural starting point since it gives a nutshell bio of almost all the GLs. That is going to lead to copyvios:

Lifting the entire bio is a no-no.
Lifting it and making cosmetic changes to the text is a no-no.
Using it as the source point without citing it is a no-no.
Lifting from it as quotes that are the bulk of entries, especially if it's across multiple section, is a violation of WP:NFCC policy.

- J Greb (talk) 14:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And on that note... the following have been removed as copyright violations with regard to Green Lantern / Sinestro Corps: Secret Files:

Apros
Breeon
Bruun
Ghr'll and Xylpth
Hannu/Honnu (Partial)
Kraken (Partial)
Larvox
Leezle Pon (Partial)
Lysandra
Malet Dasim
Matoo and Amnee Pree
Norchavius
Sendrina
Shorm
Spol
Tahr
Umitu
Varix (Partial)

And that's just checking the list against the first 4 pages of the Lantern list in the comics.

I'm tempted, very tempted to pull all of the text from the alien GL section over an entry by entry comparison of the remaining 18 pages. I've got a feeling the bulk of the entries here would disappear, or be reduced to 1 line if that comparison were made.

- J Greb (talk)

The Secret Files bios give -opinions-. This should help in figuring out what is what. Lots42 (talk) 02:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's nice to think so, but a lot of the material that is written by editors is also written in an in-universe style that comes off as opinion/supposition. Hence my instinct to chuck it all. - J Greb (talk) 03:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re opinions in the descriptions, maybe my brain was, for lack of a better phrase, altered by reading and throughly enjoying the Secret Files book. They do have a certain 'rythym' to their summaries. Lots42 (talk) 14:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That should do it. I went through each and every entry in the Secret Files and Origins, and anywhere it was identical I removed the summary and replaced it with a sector number and first appeared in blurb. For the few that actually had something else added to it, I made up my own description, and left the rest the same. Sodam Yat (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sector Number's list

One thing that is missing around Green Lantern articles is a comprehensive list of GL and Sector Number correspondence, for e.g., a list in which each line would be something like this,

in alfabethical order (Name Surname):

Green Lantern Abin Sur (deceased) - Space Sector 2814 - Planet Earth

Green Lantern Guy Gardner - Space Sector 2814 - Planet Earth

Green Lantern Hal Jordan - Space Sector 2814 - Planet Earth

Green Lantern John Stewart - Space Sector 2814 - Planet Earth

Green Lantern Kilowog - Space Sector 674 - Planet Bolovax Vik

Green Lantern Sinestro (aka Thaal Sinestro) - Space Sector 1417 - Planet Korugar

Green Lantern Robert Taggett - Space Sector 2813 - Planet Earth

in sector number order (with column switch):

Space Sector 674 - Planet Bolovax Vik - Green Lantern Kilowog

Space Sector 1417 - Planet Korugar - Green Lantern Sinestro (aka Thaal Sinestro)

Space Sector 2813 - Planet Krypton - Green Lantern Tomar Re

Space Sector 2814 - Planet Earth - Green Lanterns Abin Sur (deceased), Guy Gardner, Hal Jordan, John Stewart

I just saw List_of_Green_Lanterns#Green_Lanterns_by_Sectors_of_the_Universe, but it could be better organized like something as stated above, and, also, as a separate article. I leave it to someone more expert than I am, that's why I don't do it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.93.91 (talk) 01:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aya

Would Aya count enough for the list, or as her lack of status as an officially registered Green Lantern deny her addition? --24.131.229.184 (talk) 18:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that she can be in the list... she already has an article

Arussom (talk) 17:27, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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