Talk:List of Ghost in the Shell characters

Inaccuracy Re: Voice actors

Compared to the corresponding page on Anime News Network, I have found three inconsistencies in this article, all involving voice actors - one in English and two Japanese: 1.) Aramaki, in the Japanese dub, is played by a different actor for the two theatrical films: in these films (1995 and 2004), the actor is Tamio Ohki, not Osamu Saka, who voiced him in the series and SSS, but is credited here for portraying Aramaki in all continuities; 2.) In Innocence, in the Japanese dub, Azuma was played by Masaki Terasoma, not Masahiro Ogata, who played him in the series and SSS, and is credited with playing Azuma in all continuities here; 3.) Ishikawa’s voice actor in the first film, in English, was Michael Sorich, not Bob Papenbrook as credited here.

Then again, as I understand it, ANN is also user-edited, just like Wikipedia. So it’s possible that on any of these listings (and many others, for that matter), Wikipedia may be correct and ANN wrong! Somebody with extensive experience in GITS (and/or enough time on his/her hands) should verify these, even if it just means reading the end credits off the TV screen from the DVDs, and then update Wikipedia as applicable.

Also: can't we have some character information about the (albeit almost never seen) friends and family of Section 9's members? I'm thinking here in particular of Aramaki's old flame in England, Togusa's wife and children, and the young women who Motoko lives with. [NB: Atsuko Tanaka has confirmed, in at least one DVD extra, what has been strongly hinted at onscreen: her character, at least in the SAC storyline, is bisexual, and that Kurutan and Ran are her lovers in an open-ended relationship. On the other hand, she's in a relationship with a boyfriend in the manga; both situations should be commented on.] 67.87.34.107 (talk) 22:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Merge

I propose that the following articles are proposed to be merged into one point. The reamining character articles (of considerable legnth) will be summarized on this page. WP:FICTION mentions that articles on minor characters should reside in lists of characters and that major characters should be sumarized on the main list. If there are no objections, this will be completed on this coming Sunday. --Kunzite 19:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Article list:

• Laughing Man (Ghost in the Shell)
• Public Security Section 9
• Fuchikoma
• Daisuke Aramaki
• Togusa
• Ishikawa (Ghost in the Shell)
• Saito (Ghost in the Shell)
• Pazu
• Operator (Ghost in the Shell)
• Boma (Ghost in the Shell)
• Yoko Kayabuki
• Kazundo Gouda
• Cabinet Intelligence Agency
• Proto (Ghost in the Shell)
• Azuma (Ghost in the Shell)
• Yano (Ghost in the Shell)
• Individual Eleven
• Umibozu (Stand Alone Complex)

• Oppose - I comprehensively oppose this proposition, as the aforementioned characters are major characters who play extremely singificant roles in the Ghost in the Shell plot - therefore, the articles for these characters must stay, as they provide important and essential information. The assertion that any of them are anything less or are allegedly "minor" is nothing more than conjecture and someone's P.O.V. - point of view - which, in my humble opinion, I oppose, as I feel the above characters play significant roles and therefore should stay as they are, in their own unique articles. - Ganryuu 19:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Your reasoning is flawed.

No Small Parts, Only Small Actors. These articles are not being deleted, they're being merged. This is not a merge based on minor/major characters, but on the legnth of articles. ALL characters will be merged into one article and those with very long pages will have a summary on the character page and a link to the main article. If the legnth of a currently small article becomes long enough through future editing it can be summarized and then moved into its own page.

Please review WP:FICTION and tell me how your explanation fits in? --Kunzite 05:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I stay steadfast by my opinion, and feel that the articles for the aforementioned characters should stay as they are, in their own unique articles - and since many of these characters are significant in numerous Ghost in the Shell manga and anime series, both in the present and the future - they can always be sufficiently expanded upon anytime, and in my humble opinion, I feel that it's best if they are left within their own articles. - 'Ganryuu 20:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)'

The question is still: How does this fit into WP:FICTION? --Kunzite 04:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but just like the Laughing Man, the Individual Eleven play a large part as an antagonist oriented characters, thus this merger is a wise move.

-Merge it. Nothing would be lost from a grouping of the characters into one larger category. It will be more efficient with the merger. -Alex

• Oppose: merging any major character into the list, as well as the various organizations. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 10:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

This sounds like a great idea, and I shall start merging... right about... now... -- Ned Scott 11:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose: There is more than one incarnation of the GitS story and each has different versions of the characters. Do you think you can merge 3 different versions (at least - one for each incarnation) into one big article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Energman (talk • contribs) .

For the minor characters, I do think we can merge 3 "different" ones. That is to say, there's usually a base personality / facts that is true in all works, then "differences". This is not as drastic as you think. If a character is notable enough and does have a large enough section, then they will still keep their own article, but still be listed here. Notice that there are a few articles that are "merged" but.. not.. they have a main article link. In other words, expand on the sections (per WP:WAF, of course) till it's large enough for it's own article, then split it. Till then, the proper process, per WP:FICT, is to have them on one list-style article. -- Ned Scott 06:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

merging

I started to merge just the shorter articles for now. I'm not sure what to do with Saito (Ghost in the Shell), since I'm not even sure how much of his info is accurate (the Pre-WWIII story.., it's not that we shouldn't include the info, but maybe say that it might not possibly be what really happened?). Also, the ones that just say "see also" should still at least have a short description in addition to linking to the larger article. -- Ned Scott 11:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop any merging. Consensus not reached —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Energman (talk • contribs) .

Consensus has been reached per WP:FICTION. We can continue to discuss it, if you wish, but consensus does not have to be reached for each individual situation when there is a general consensus such as on WP:FICT. -- Ned Scott 06:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Proto or Frodo?

In the Bio Android's page he is listed as Frodo instead of Proto, and honestly while watching the show his name sounded like Frodo not Proto or maybe Phrodo or something to that affect. It would be nice to have a link in his character page connecting to a legitimate source with his name written.

"Proto", as in "Prototype" AFAIK. Remember that no one except Aramaki seemed to know that Proto was an android until near the end of 2nd Gig.Nijyo 08:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Zyro opinion

In my humble opinion we should have a main page with all the characters. The more important and the others. Then if necessary a character take a link to a singular character page.We should decide wish are the main characters and give more espace for them in this main page.A reader should see a complete list of characters in this main page with some text.If he wants to know more than he goes to the character page. 21:42 09 December 2006

Togusa

In "Human Error Processor" issue 3 Togusa is shown lifting and preparing to fire a very large gun without assistance. Does anyone know if it was ever established definitively in the manga continuity that Togusa is fully human except for his cyberbrain? (it's established in the GitS movie and more or less established in SAC, I know) Nijyo 08:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

In the original manga story arc that co-incides with Togusa and the Major riding around in the van in the movie (when they're trying to find the rubbish van man who is inadvertently hacking into the embassy translator), the dialogue is pretty much identical to that in the movie. Bear in mind that even though Togusa is 'only' human, he's still a healthy adult male capable of lifting a sizable amount on his own. Oni no Akuma 07:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

No doubt, however the sheer size of the armament he lifts and prepares to fire in GitS:HEP seems far too large for a non-cyberized human. In the actual Togusa wikipedia article its said that he's cybernetic like everyone else in Section 9 with regards to the manga, and that there's reference to some extent of cyberization in GitS:SAC, but there's no citation for either claim (and I don't recall that from the SSS movie, personally). Nijyo (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak to the manga, but in SAC, he's pretty much the same cyberization as any other ordinary citizen, plus the few extras needed for Section 9. He's wired for cyberbrain usage, and has the cybercomm system and encryption/decryption equipment that he needs to work with Section 9.24.69.206.90 (talk) 11:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Ishikawa

Reading his description, in what way is it depicted that he dislikes the Major? I've seen both series and both movies, and never did I think they were at odds with each other. (I confess I havn't read the manga, so if it's there... I apologize.) He just seems to have a "gruff" personality...

Shouldn't it be described that Ishikawa is simply burdened with old age instead of saying that he's weak?

--- Ishikawa, with his arm in a cast, from a seated position, knocks out an agent who's pointing a gun at him in SAC 2nd Gig episode 26. If that's burdened, then I'd say age has been pretty good to him. Rockear

Reading the article, it indicates that Ishikawa knows the Major's dislikes, rather than disliking her. In the first manga, it's stated that he's her XO (yes, that does mean he outranks Batou), so I doubt he dislikes her. Oni no Akuma 14:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, Ishikawa has (at least in the SAC continuity) served with Motoko ever since they were both on missions in South America. He probably had no choice as to his commanding officer in the military, but he's chosen to stick with Kusanagi for many years since then, so it seems unlikely that he dislikes her in any serious manner. In fact, they seem to have a fairly typical close friendship for two people who aren't terribly emotional (i.e. when Motoko shows up in SSS all he has to say hearing her voice for the first time in years is (paraphrased), "That the Major? 'Bout time you showed up" Nijyo (talk) 05:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding his status as XO and thus outranking Batou - I think that depends on the situation. If the media I've been consuming is correct (who knows), Section 9 is structured more like a SWAT team than a military unit. Motoko is the overall leader (of the team itself - Aramaki's more along the lines of being the entire command and control system at HQ that coordinates with other forces). Batou is the second in command for tactical issues (so, in a fight, essentially). The XO, Ishikawa, generally has no direct command authority (even in military roles), but, as he's responsible for logistical support and other critical concerns, there's probably a standing order to assist him however possible. (I say they're structured more like a SWAT team or police unit because of their specialties. Every SWAT team has at least one sniper (Saito), at least one EOD specialist (Bouma), etc. And there's a tendency to add a psychological expert to the teams lately, so the team can handle both the negotiation side and tactical side of a stand off and have a realistic assessment of what will work, when. Major Kusanagi is definitely the GITS equivalent of that kind of role, though one could argue that hijacking a person's brain and making them punch themselves unconscious isn't exactly the non-violent approach. (Again, this is all assuming the media I've been consuming reflects how things are actally done, which is anybody's guess.) 24.69.206.90 (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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List of SAC characters?

While looking at this list, I get the feeling this is more of a "SAC characters list". For one, all the images are taken from there. It features minor characters from that series (Yano, Kayabuki), that don't appear in the other formats. There are other pages on wikipedia about people (Ghouda, Kuze, project 2501, to name a few), yet they don't appear on this list? Finally, I can think of three recurring characters that are in the Manga+Movie (I don't remember their names though, sorry):

• Section 6 chief. He appears in the Movie 1, and in the manga on 2 different Occasions.
• The cief of internal affairs (I think that's his rank). He's the guy in the manga who aramaki has to answer to. We see him almost Once per chapter. He punches his own self in the face in chapter 1 when Motoko controls his body.
• Aramaki's informer. That guy that always has insider info for aramaki. He is also often seen in SAC. He is thin and has a goatee.

Not that I'm complaining about the article, but there being only 1 "Other" Character in all of GITS univers, and the most important one being Kayabuki? I don't think so.happypal (Talk | contribs) 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

• Tachikoma should also be added. While not major characters in the movies (that I remember), their storyline importance seems to grow through SAC 1 & 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.251.239.2 (talk) 04:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Status: Alive

Do we really need that? Only one of them is dead, and he's an almost side character. Same foes for the "active" Status. I say remove them, and mention it if they have a special status, in the text.happypal (Talk | contribs) 16:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Qwer

Is there any info on Qwer (Aramaki's assistant? Although Batou refers to her as his superior...) from Human Error Processor? The only thing I've been able to find that mentions her is this page in Italian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genpfault (talk • contribs) 06:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Kusanagi may be multiple people

It's mentioned (in narration) at the end of the first chapter in the original manga (English [Dark Horse], p.12) that Kusanagi's actual identity is unknown and that she may in fact be multiple women. It's the only mention of this in the entire series, but it seems significant and should be added to her profile. (It could also establish some canon as to why she looks different in each series.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatfield977 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

A lone mention of something like that early in a serial is often an artifact of the writer's inability to edit outdropped ideas. I've read a number of webcomics and the like that float weird ideas like that in the first hundred or so strips and then just forget about them. (Questionable Content has a couple of those the connection, if any, between Penelope and Pizza Girl was a running joke that never got resolved (that I recall), and there are entire characters who either go missing for years (literally) or, in one case, have been eaten by an Allosaurus (according to the cast page.) When you're writing a serial, you have to be very careful, because you're publishing your work to the world - and defining core issues that your story will involve - before you've even finished writing the story - any novelist will tell you the concept is somewhat appalling, given the amount of editing it takes to turn the average manuscript into a New York Times bestseller (well...average isn't bestseller, but you get the point). What amazes me, quite frankly, is how few of these abandoned concepts show up in professionally done manga. That said, given the philisophical tendencies of Ghost in the Shell, its probably more likely that Masamune had to dump a few things to make his point and keep the story coherent than, say, the artists for Bleach and Naruto.

And if the SAC anime is anything to go by, we do know that Major Kusanagi is fairly comfortable with body swapping, at least when using them as a remote puppet. The 2 older movies also portray her as being less attached to her physical form than most - to the point where she survives her physical destruction by uploading herself to the net, which is said to be impossible. (She also survives having her head blasted to shreds in the end of the first season of SAC, though whether that's uploading to the net or just piloting another remote body from a safe location isn't ever explained. 24.69.206.90 (talk) 10:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Aramaki, the Old Ape

According to the TVRage page on Episode 2 of SAC, calling Aramaki "the old ape" (or baboon, in the dub) is a direct reference to the nickname he's given by section 9 members in the manga. The text of that comment is as follows:

:Batou calling the Chief "the old baboon" (the Japanese seiyuu calls him "old ape") is the same way that the members of Section 9 speak of the Chief, in their own affectionate way, in the 1991 Ghost in the Shell manga by Shirō Masamune. Batou is the first person to call Aramaki by that moniker in the manga chapter entitled "SUPER SPARTAN".

Of course, TVRage is probably not an acceptable source, so I'll refrain from editing the article's parenthetical on him alleging that this might be because of Shiro Masamune's art style making Aramaki look rather ape-like. Anyone who has access to the manga is welcome to verify this statement and put a proper citation in - the current parenthetical implies it's a SAC-exclusive nickname.24.69.206.90 (talk) 11:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Laughing Man history section

(Copied over from the character's article that has since been turned into a redirect per WP:N)

The hacker's first appearance in the GITS: SAC storyline is six years previous to when the series started, when he assaulted the CEO of Serano Genomics in public on February 3, 2024, hiding his face from eyewitnesses and cameras with his Laughing Man logo. The Laughing Man can "steal eyes" of entire crowds in real time by hacking their visual cyber-brain implants, either to make himself appear invisible or to hide his face with the cartoon logo. He can also easily erase all records of his existence, including the memories of people with cyber-brains. Many of those who saw his face would only recall and refer to the stylized logo as depicted above, and were not able to realize anything was unusual when asked to describe his features. Togusa was one such person, as were many of the witnesses of the initial incident involving the head of Serano Genomics.

The Laughing Man has quite a fascination with The Catcher in the Rye, as if the work greatly influenced him: like that novel's main character, Holden Caulfield, he can't stand "phonies" (corrupt politicians in this case). For a time, he also kept a left-handed baseball catcher's mitt with a quote from The Catcher in the Rye written on it: "You know what I'd like to be? I mean, if I had my goddamn choice, I'd just be a catcher in the rye and all". While Aoi did indeed possess this mitt, the term "a lefty's catcher mitt" is described as being net jargon for "something people think exists, but really doesn't." For this reason, Section 9 inadvertently overlooks the only physical evidence of the Laughing Man's whereabouts and identity.

For an unknown amount of time before the storyline begins, the Laughing Man lived in the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare's Rehabilitation Center, posing as a deaf-mute in a wheelchair. He apparently revealed his ability to walk and talk to the other patients at the center, who knew him as "leader" (団長, danchō, "chief" in the English dub) and referred to his occasional periods of communication as "visits." While Togusa is investigating the center, he discovers that someone has written the famous Laughing Man logo text in a PBX cabinet. The words "or should I?" have been appended to the actual quote, signifying the doubts of his own current course of action. Realizing he is in danger of being discovered, he decides to erase all record of his existence from the center. For completeness, he replaces Togusa's memories of his face with the Laughing Man logo, and wipes the memories of his friends (who apparently not only consent to this treatment, but seem to expect it).

Following the Laughing Man's kidnapping of the head of Serano Genomics, there was a large wave of "Laughing Man"-related graffiti attacks, corporate vandalism, and extortion; broadly referred to several times as "Corporate Terrorism." He didn't strike again until six years later, but in the meantime a corrupt power cabal in the Japanese Government led by Secretary General Kaoru Yakushima used the Laughing Man's sudden appearance and apparent connection to Serano Genomics to their advantage. They carried out the aforementioned acts of corporate terrorism while using the "Laughing Man" motif, which fooled the media into thinking these acts were the Laughing Man's doing; thus subverting his motives in the process. As a result of the publicity, "The Laughing Man" logo then became something of a pop culture obsession, much to the chagrin of the actual Laughing Man. Since many used his icon and name for their own purposes, his effort to stand for and demand the truth became just one phony meaning among many. One such imitator launched an unsuccessful hacking effort to assassinate Daido, quickly followed by 39 other physical attackers. When all who were arrested showed no sign of external influence, nor any connection with the Laughing Man or his imitator, it was thought that they attempted the assassination to be a part of The Laughing Man's effort for the truth. However, the police informed the public that they were forced to carry out the attack through ghost hacking to avoid further spontaneous assassination attempts.

After the events of the Section 9 raid by the Umibozu and the last meeting with Motoko Kusanagi and Aramaki, it was discovered that Aoi, though responsible for the initial incident that made the Laughing Man a phenomenon, was not its true originator. When confronted, he confesses to have been a brash student at the time of the kidnapping, as he now prefers a more intellectual approach over his previous overzealous and radical ideals. Aoi made it a point that he never came up with the name "The Laughing Man" for himself; it was a label that the media gave based on the J.D. Salinger quote on the logo which eventually stuck. He admitted that his notorious kidnapping caper was planned after chancing upon a file in the depths of the Net detailing the extensive corruption in the corporate world. While choosing to confront Serano because of this file, he never discovered the origin, despite searching for several years. It could be said that whoever abandoned the file was in fact the "real" Laughing Man - and it is still possible that this person obtained it from someone else. Therefore, the originator of this file, and thus the identity of the original "Laughing Man," remain a mystery.

While Aramaki understands the sheer absurdity of the story, he also recognizes that the surrounding events corroborate Aoi's admissions. Since Aoi's true motives finally come to light, Aramaki takes interest in Aoi's extensive hacking skills, and offers him a position with Section 9. Though Aoi is deeply flattered by the offer, he declines; choosing to disappear from Japanese society, employed as a librarian in the National Library. Earlier in the series, Togusa theorizes that because the Laughing Man was such a superb hacker, he placed no value in digital media: it could be easily overwritten or deleted. This could explain Aoi's choice to work in a library; paper media exists in a physical state, and cannot be so easily altered or destroyed.

I have moved this section from the article as it is fully un-sourced WP:OR, if someone chooses to work on this in the future. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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