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The lead says "The oldest verified Frenchman ever is Maurice Floquet, a veteran of World War I who lived 111 years and 320 days across three centuries (1894–2006)." What does this mean, in the context that the oldest living Frenchman listed in the article is 112 years old, and the oldest overall (Jules Théobald) died at 112 years 171 days? Are these not verified? If so, why are they listed? Renerpho (talk) 11:00, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Renerpho The issue you noticed is a relic from the days the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) dominated all of these type of articles on Wikipedia. To be ranked or called "verified", a case needed to have been reviewed and approved by them (or technically Guinness World Records, but they only do the oldest person/man in the world anymore). The article states "As of January 2015, the Gerontology Research Group" because before 2015, the GRG tried to validate everyone who had reached age 110+, so the data was considered comprehensive, but after that they drastically reduced their work. In practice, they basically no longer validate men and the youngest living people on their world list are almost 114, so the vast majority of the new 110+ cases were being added without a rank, creating ever more bloated lists far exceeding 100.
In an effort to keep this and the other country articles functioning, the GRG verification requirement for ranking was rescinded at various RfC's, while a basic WP:V bar was to be used going forward. With the more time that passes, the GRG'S pre 2015 figures are becoming less and less relevant. Another wrinkle in this affair is that on many occasions, the GRG stating "X lived 11X years and XXX days" became WP:OR fodder to list age achievements or records no source actually said the person achieved, such as Maurice Floquet, whose listed source never states that alleged record. Hope that helps. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
With this edit, Chicdat removed maiden names from the list. I would argue to bring them back, because they are often the only way to quote a source for a woman's death record, including exact dates and places of birth and death. The open-access French database of deaths since 1970 does not list married names for women. See for example the entry for Marie Brémont whose birth name was Marie Mésange. Comments welcome before I start working on including those names again, with updated sources. — JFGtalk04:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
