Talk:List of British Invasion artists

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Marked for cleanup. Aside from at least one group that doesn't belong on the list and others that are missing, what might cleanup consist of?Mfwills (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Mostly stylistically to conform to Wikipedia list design standards at this point. Edkollin (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

No need for a cleanup. Every one of those bands/performers were genuine so-called British Invasion acts. The Hullaballos weren't even included on the list -- and they were much bigger here in the States throughout 1965 than they were in Britain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.33.177 (talk) 18:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Chart Position

How high a chart position do we we need to qualify an act or is just an appearance on the chart enough?. Left Sandie Shaw in who got to 52 but left a dubious message for now because I am unsure. Edkollin (talk) 23:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Stop Deleting The Bachelors

The last time I checked, the British Isles consisted primarily of two major islands: Great Britain and Ireland. Thus Irish groups such as the Bachelors, who were riding the British Invasion craze of 1964-1966, should be included in this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.236.33.177 (talk) 18:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Being from an island in the British isle doesn't necessarily make you British. British and Irish are two seperate nationalities, would you for example be comfortable with including U2in a list of British bands that were successful in the 80s British invasion of America?Aprhys (talk) 07:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I'm 46 and I do remember U2 always being featured in articles about British rock in the early 1980s. Along with the English, Scots, Welsh, Cornish, and the Manx as well, the Irish are a BRITISH people. Van Morrison's Belfast group, Them, are listed here after all. Why is that, simply because Belfast is a unit of the UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.28.57 (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2012 (UTC) ?

erm simply put yeah. Is Bryan Adams part of the US music invasion of Britain?. British is a term relating to someone who comes from Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it really is that simpleAprhys (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

People from Southern Ireland are not British. They might be part of the British Isles but they are not British. Both the United States and Peru are part of "The Americas" but a Peruvian person is not American Cls14 (talk) 17:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced artists

I noticed that there are a lot of unsourced artists on this page (and by a lot I mean half or most of them), I don't know if they should be deleted considering that the list for the Second British invasion artists contains only sourced additions (that is unless the ones who "obviously belong" are missing that are being removed). I don't know if the unsourced artists on here should be kept or if they should be removed (and this also refers to the Second British Invasion list which also has the "sourcing issue"). I'm also a bit confused and (possibly) don't understand about the whole "tag them as needing a source", so sorry about that. --71.63.167.238 (talk) 01:32, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, a number of artists that you removed are pretty obviously British invasion artists, in that they:

• Are young or youngish British rock/pop artists
• Who started their careers in Britain
• And then broke in America and had some reasonable level of success there.
• In the mid 1960s.

Some of them don't have a reference attached. This is because no one has bothered to add the ref. It doesn't mean they are not British invasion artists: they are.

One thing you could do is add the refs yourself. It is not hard. For instance googling "cilla black british invasion" quickly brings up this, where Ms Black is indeed described as a British invasion artist. She's described a British invasion artists because she is a British invasion artist, by the four criteria I gave above. Since she is a British invasion artist she belongs on the list.

Ideally, of course, the entries should be ref'd. I am not going to do this ref'ing work, because I am busy with other things, both in real life and on Wikipedia, and this subject does not interest me at this time. Since you apparently are exercised about this matter, you would be a fine candidate to add the refs.

And if you don't have time or interest for that, then you may tag them with {{citation needed}} templates, if you wish, to alert other editors of the need. (After a period of some years being so tagged, if no one has stepped forward to add refs, it might be reasonable to delete the entries -- I would say not, since meeting the four-point criteria is enough, per Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, but at least you'd have better case.)

I've restored the entries per WP:BRD and there they should stay until there's consensus to remove them. If you want to go after particular entries, saying "_______ is not a British invasion artist and does not belong on this list; they were too late, or not really British, or just not really part of that mileu, or whatever", that's different, and the best way to trim the list, rather than a mass deletion. Herostratus (talk) 01:56, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Alright thanks for the info! --71.63.167.238 (talk) 02:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! If you are new here, it takes some time to get used to everything. You're doing fine. I left a welcome message on your talk page. I encourage you to get an account, and stick around. It's fun and useful IMO.

As far as referencing everything, it's tricky. And people don't agree on it! In theory everything should be referenced, and in theory unreferenced material is subject to removal -- but it's a matter of opinion how strict to be about that. Most people agree that its best to concentrate on dubious or possibly dubious material. If there's a fair chance that it's not true, and it's not referenced, then it should go. If it is very like true -- such as Cilla Black being part of the British invasion, and so forth -- most people are of the mind "Well, we can only do so much, so let's leave that alone for now, maybe tag it at most, and concentrate on the more dubious stuff". But people differ over this. Herostratus (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Cream?

The article lede says "...involved with the British Invasion music phenomenon that occurred between 1964 and 1966 in the United States."

So OK some points re Cream (band):

1. They first performed publicly on 29 July 1966. This was in England... they hadn't "invaded" anywhere yet. Then it says "The band first visited the United States in March 1967 to play nine dates at the RKO 58th Street Theatre in New York. There was little impact, as impresario Murray the K placed them at the bottom of a six-act bill". So they didn't "invade" (on a pretty minimal level at that) until after this period was over.
2. Their first album, Fresh Cream was released on December 9, 1966 -- very very near the end of this period. And this was the release in the UK... I don't know when it was released in America, but surely later than that. The first imports probably reached America very late in 1966 at best, probably to very minimal interest.
3. And also, here's the thing: Cream was just quite different, musically, than basically every other band on this list (at least for the 1964-1966 period covered). All the other bands were pretty much power-pop bands; Cream was a hard-rock psychedelic band. Granted there's a lot of overlap here, some of these other bands did some pretty hard R&B, and Fresh Cream wasn't exactly Disraeli Gears yet. Still... they don't seem to fit in to me. Granted, "seems" is worth nothing, but it is a reason to dig further some reliable refs showing this feeling is wrong. There aren't any in the article.

So I don't see Cream as being appropriate for this article, absent evidence to the contrary. Herostratus (talk) 18:19, 31 July 2018 (UTC) Cream was an offshoot of the so-called British Invasion (Clapton being a former Yardbird) and British Blues Boom. They were pioneers in psychedelic and what later would be called progressive rock and a major influence on heavy metal. They were not, nor ever seen, as being part of the British Invasion phenomenon of 1964-1966.